Start the reality distortion field - iPad

[0roo0roo]

The crappy black and white screen is going to look better under a lot of light, like sunlight, than the iPad's (ugh what an awful name) LCD.

i read outside all the time while getting a tan right?

yea..right..give me a break

 

[Deeko]

not so sure about the ebook ink. the issue is those ebook readers cost a large fraction of an ipads price already. have smaller screens and are generally less useful and pleasant to look at. if you are paying 200+ for some black and white screen in a lousy looking product you might want something more ebook readers are single function devices, justifying them outside a small yuppy crowd is rather difficult.

thats like saying who would buy a kindle other than an amazon fanboy

the ipad is underwhelming in some aspects mostly because people hyped themselves into thinking it would suck your dick when it came out. but you have to admit it makes the old ebook readers look rather obsolete. you seem to forget that a single task kindle costs from 259-500 depending on model. seriously, u got 500 dollars for a book reader, what do you buy? a kindle? lol

I'm assuming from these statements combined that you have NOT seen an e-Ink screen. I don't mean to sound like an ass, but you really can't comment on them until you have. It really is a totally different type of screen that is FAR better suited for reading than an LCD. Your "less pleasant to look at" screens look like...well, paper. Are you saying it isn't pleasant reading a paperback book because the page isn't glowing? e-Ink is far from obsolete.

The standard Kindle is $259, anywhere from half to 1/3 the price of the iPad, and gives a much more enjoyable experience for reading a regular everyday book. Its also thinner & ligher than the iPad, and includes unlimited, FREE wireless data. Who is loling now?

I do agree that the Kindle DX is overpriced, however, its still thinner and lighter than the iPad, has the same size screen, the same free wireless, and again, has a screen that's actually enjoyable to read with.

However, none of that had anything to do with my post you were replying to. My question was, if you can use the Kindle App on the iPad - the existing Kindle App that's already out for iPhone and iPod Touch - why wouldn't you? Why would you pay $14.99 for a book with iBook when you could pay $9.99 for a Kindle book - that you read on your iPad - and can potentially transfer to a Kindle if you get one?

And its kinda funny that you relate the Kindle to the yuppie crowd while defending the iPad. The iPad is the quintissential yuppie coffee shop crowd product, whereas outside of the standard gadget crowd, the demographics that latch onto the Kindle are business travelers and the "Oprah-demo" heavy reading crowds.

 

[zerocool84]

not so sure about the ebook ink. the issue is those ebook readers cost a large fraction of an ipads price already. have smaller screens and are generally less useful and pleasant to look at. if you are paying 200+ for some black and white screen in a lousy looking product you might want something more ebook readers are single function devices, justifying them outside a small yuppy crowd is rather difficult.

Have you ever read on an E Ink device? E Ink is infinitely better to look at for extended periods of time than any other screen for reading. Plus it uses almost no battery power while on.

 

[Deeko]

i read outside all the time while getting a tan right?

yea..right..give me a break

Huh? I read outside all the time. In the summer, I read outside probably 10x as much as inside. Have you ever been to a beach? A lot of people read at the beach...at the pool...outside on their deck.

What world are you from?

 

[KeithTalent]

i read outside all the time while getting a tan right?

yea..right..give me a break

Are you being sarcastic? One of my favourite things to do in the Spring/Summer is go relax outside an read a book. If I ever end up with an e-book reader I will still need to be able to do that.

KT

 

[Lonyo]

Funny, I have an iPhone v1 and I think it rocks. I'm out of contract now, and I see no improvement that merits re-upping my contract. I can run 100% of the software, I don't suffer without the slow ass ATT 3G network, and I have little use for GPS when I can make do with cell triangulation.

I didn't mean the phone sucked itself per-se (although it was flawed), but that as a product it wasn't something that everyone instantly ran out and bought, it took a couple of releases for the product to really take off (although in part that might be due to not being available everywhere), but you can see that as soon as the new phones hit the market sales went up very significantly, so as a product either it was a badly managed launch, or it wasn't really popular until a while after launch and after it had been tweaked and given added appeal with new features etc.

 

[BRObedoza]

iPad? pshh. posting from my iPad Nano

 

[fantolay]

Ipad does sound just ridiculous. I'd like Islate better or something like that.

 

[marvdmartian]

So will the 2nd generation, with a larger screen, be known as the iMaxiPad?? :hmm:

 

[Demo24]

but hey guess what? You can change the backgrounds now!

 

[0roo0roo]

I'm assuming from these statements combined that you have NOT seen an e-Ink screen. I don't mean to sound like an ass, but you really can't comment on them until you have. It really is a totally different type of screen that is FAR better suited for reading than an LCD. Your "less pleasant to look at" screens look like...well, paper. Are you saying it isn't pleasant reading a paperback book because the page isn't glowing? e-Ink is far from obsolete.

The standard Kindle is $259, anywhere from half to 1/3 the price of the iPad, and gives a much more enjoyable experience for reading a regular everyday book. Its also thinner & ligher than the iPad, and includes unlimited, FREE wireless data. Who is loling now?

I do agree that the Kindle DX is overpriced, however, its still thinner and lighter than the iPad, has the same size screen, the same free wireless, and again, has a screen that's actually enjoyable to read with.

However, none of that had anything to do with my post you were replying to. My question was, if you can use the Kindle App on the iPad - the existing Kindle App that's already out for iPhone and iPod Touch - why wouldn't you? Why would you pay $14.99 for a book with iBook when you could pay $9.99 for a Kindle book - that you read on your iPad - and can potentially transfer to a Kindle if you get one?

And its kinda funny that you relate the Kindle to the yuppie crowd while defending the iPad. The iPad is the quintissential yuppie coffee shop crowd product, whereas outside of the standard gadget crowd, the demographics that latch onto the Kindle are business travelers and the "Oprah-demo" heavy reading crowds.

ugh, who hasn't seen an eink screen by now lets just say i wasn't blown away. it is a better screen IN YOUR OPINION. not in fact. if the ipad is yuppy, as all apple products are, the kindle is only that much worse you realize, anyone plonking down 500 dollars on a single task device just to spend another chunk of cash on books is just freely tossing away cash. i wouldn't judge by amazons book prices which are probably heavily subsidized by amazon to drive ereader sales. plus, thats not apples fault, its the publishers who set the base price.

 

[0roo0roo]

Huh? I read outside all the time. In the summer, I read outside probably 10x as much as inside. Have you ever been to a beach? A lot of people read at the beach...at the pool...outside on their deck.

What world are you from?

oh i read at the beach all the time!!

oh wait, i don't.


where do people really read most of the time? on planes, trains, coffee shops etc. that is closer to reality. unless you are rich and go on vacations all the time you are better off spending 5 bucks on a paperback if you need to read in the blazing sun while getting your cancer on.

anyways who carries their kindle everywhere they go. almost no one.


people need to dig up an old iphone thread when it first came out. i'd like to see what was said.

 

[F1N3ST]

If this makes it into the sub-$300 group I'll buy one :awe:

 

[Deeko]

ugh, who hasn't seen an eink screen by now lets just say i wasn't blown away. it is a better screen IN YOUR OPINION. not in fact. if the ipad is yuppy, as all apple products are, the kindle is only that much worse you realize, anyone plonking down 500 dollars on a single task device just to spend another chunk of cash on books is just freely tossing away cash. i wouldn't judge by amazons book prices which are probably heavily subsidized by amazon to drive ereader sales. plus, thats not apples fault, its the publishers who set the base price.

e-Ink looks like paper - do you think the iPad looks better than paper? And again...the standard Kindle is $259, and it has free internet, a (admittedly simple) browser, and music playback. And regardless of which you like better inside, and maybe you live in northern Siberia where reading outside isn't much fun, but most readers do actually read outdoors...and there really is no debate the e-ink is better than LCD in sunlight.

Who the hell cares whose fault it is that iBook costs that much? Does it hurt your soul that someone might insult Apple? I'm not even getting into a Kindle vs iPad argument there - relax sport, you can still go buy your precious Jobs-approved device - I'm asking why you would spend $14.99 for a book to read on your iPad when you could spend $9.99 for the same book on your iPad with the Kindle app.

 

[Deeko]

oh i read at the beach all the time!!

oh wait, i don't.


where do people really read most of the time? on planes, trains, coffee shops etc. that is closer to reality. unless you are rich and go on vacations all the time you are better off spending 5 bucks on a paperback if you need to read in the blazing sun while getting your cancer on.

anyways who carries their kindle everywhere they go. almost no one.


people need to dig up an old iphone thread when it first came out. i'd like to see what was said.

Again....most of us don't live in Antarctica where you can't read outside. Maybe in your fantasy world no one does, but here in reality, many people read outside. Hell, I live in Seattle, not exactly the most pleasant climate, and there are still a lot of outdoor readers here...when rain permits, of course.

Who carries their Kindle everywhere? Well...Kindle owners? If you own a Kindle, and you're somewhere that normally you'd be carrying your book(s)....err....uhh....you probably have your Kindle instead. Pretty simple logic.

 

[So]

I didn't mean the phone sucked itself per-se (although it was flawed), but that as a product it wasn't something that everyone instantly ran out and bought, it took a couple of releases for the product to really take off (although in part that might be due to not being available everywhere), but you can see that as soon as the new phones hit the market sales went up very significantly, so as a product either it was a badly managed launch, or it wasn't really popular until a while after launch and after it had been tweaked and given added appeal with new features etc.

Frankly, I'm pretty sure it was the price, not the product that delayed the uptake of the iphone.

 

[0roo0roo]

e-Ink looks like paper - do you think the iPad looks better than paper? And again...the standard Kindle is $259, and it has free internet, a (admittedly simple) browser, and music playback. And regardless of which you like better inside, and maybe you live in northern Siberia where reading outside isn't much fun, but most readers do actually read outdoors...and there really is no debate the e-ink is better than LCD in sunlight.

Who the hell cares whose fault it is that iBook costs that much? Does it hurt your soul that someone might insult Apple? I'm not even getting into a Kindle vs iPad argument there - relax sport, you can still go buy your precious Jobs-approved device - I'm asking why you would spend $14.99 for a book to read on your iPad when you could spend $9.99 for the same book on your iPad with the Kindle app.

it doesn't look like paper, it looks like a fancy lcd black and white image. it still has an unpleasant not quite right quality to the look compared to actual paper.

most readers dont' read outdoors, i'm not tripping over people reading everywhere i go. seriously atot, how many times have you actually seen someone reading a kindle outside. basically never

its a matter of where to attach blame. so of course it matters whether its the publishers or apple jiggering the price against consumers. only someone blinded by apple hatred wouldn't be able to see this.

 

[Epic Fail]

I didn't mean the phone sucked itself per-se (although it was flawed), but that as a product it wasn't something that everyone instantly ran out and bought, it took a couple of releases for the product to really take off (although in part that might be due to not being available everywhere), but you can see that as soon as the new phones hit the market sales went up very significantly, so as a product either it was a badly managed launch, or it wasn't really popular until a while after launch and after it had been tweaked and given added appeal with new features etc.

You are forgetting the really high price of the iPhone when it was first launched, I doubt Apple will pull another big price drop stunt. It was also limited to US market initially and most people had to finish their old contracts before switching.

 

[0roo0roo]

Again....most of us don't live in Antarctica where you can't read outside. Maybe in your fantasy world no one does, but here in reality, many people read outside. Hell, I live in Seattle, not exactly the most pleasant climate, and there are still a lot of outdoor readers here...when rain permits, of course.

Who carries their Kindle everywhere? Well...Kindle owners? If you own a Kindle, and you're somewhere that normally you'd be carrying your book(s)....err....uhh....you probably have your Kindle instead. Pretty simple logic.

yea and you live in some fantasy where everyone is lounging outside with their kindle. where is this wonderland?

if you want to pretend that someone who carries an ebook reader around all the time are the majority of readers well you are just in fantasy land. you can bet most are languishing in a drawer somewhere.

 

[destrekor]

this has probably been said already:

iSlate would have been such a better name for this terribly "meh" product that yet will somehow overwhelm the senses of legions of followers, luring them into stores and fulfilling Jobs' bank prophecies.

le sigh.
And now all the competitors will be labeled "me-too" devices that try to compete with the iPad but offer nothing new.
To which I say: you have GOT to be kidding me. This device is nothing new, nothing extraordinary, just the same thing as has existed, just has that Apple paint color called iPrintMoney.

Ooo, so it runs iTouch/iPhone apps? Cool. Guess what else does. The iTouch/iPhone. Far more portable, far more readily accessible devices. I'm personally not a fan, but the allure of all those apps works for those people who can enjoy the devices.

If I had to choose, I cannot lie and say this wouldn't be an appealing device, but I'd have to realistic: I'd have to dig into my bag whenever I wanted to use the device. If I wanted to listen to music, surely this is NOT the device to do so with as a primary music player. That means having an MP3 player. Maybe a smartphone, maybe specifically the iPhone, or the iTouch, which means you have a phone as well.

If I had a regular phone, I'd choose the iTouch. Works for MP3, and for apps.
If I had a smart phone (currently, Droid), I have the apps I want and the cell provider I want. Then I choose an MP3 player that works great. I went with the ZuneHD.
At this point, my priorities are: apps with easy access, ability to use whenever and wherever I want. Music when and where I want it, easy access.
This thing does neither. I can't put it in my pocket, use it while walking on campus, or wherever.
So... use it like a laptop then? Well fuck me, no keyboard? I am not handwriting all my notes on the screen, nor will I use a touch screen keyboard to take notes. Quick things like texting and browsing the web, sure that can work. Heavy duty web browsing? Get's iffy there, not sure.

Tablets in general I see as having a purpose, and have a niche market. But seriously, this is just going to make bank somehow because idiots convince themselves they need it.

Oh well, it is the right of a corporation to separate a fool and his money. More power to Apple for having the readily available iPrintMoney paint on hand, a secret formula that much like Coke, others have vied to copy but have failed.

 

[Deeko]

it doesn't look like paper, it looks like a fancy lcd black and white image. it still has an unpleasant not quite right quality to the look compared to actual paper.

most readers dont' read outdoors, i'm not tripping over people reading everywhere i go. seriously atot, how many times have you actually seen someone reading a kindle outside. basically never

its a matter of where to attach blame. so of course it matters whether its the publishers or apple jiggering the price against consumers. only someone blinded by apple hatred wouldn't be able to see this.

You still haven't answered the question about Kindle App vs iBook, all you're doing is avoiding it while trying to save precious Apple's face. If all you're concerned with is who is to blame for Apple's high book prices, you must be conceding that if you have an iPad, there really is no reason to use iBook when the Kindle App is available.

Oh, and I see people reading Kindles outside. I see people reading books and magazines reading outside ALL the time. Its January right now...does your brain not remember August? Why is it whenever someone comes up with a valid point favoring the Apple competitor, you try to ignore it or change the subject? Like it or not, people read outside, and its undeniable that e-Ink is better in sunlight. If you don't, that's fine. Get an iPad then. I'm sure you were going to anyway.

 

[Deeko]

yea and you live in some fantasy where everyone is lounging outside with their kindle. where is this wonderland?

if you want to pretend that someone who carries an ebook reader around all the time are the majority of readers well you are just in fantasy land. you can bet most are languishing in a drawer somewhere.

I said people are lounding outside READING. Obviously most people do not have an eReader. You're changing what I'm saying to try to fit your retort better. Slick move, too bad it failed miserably.

And you seriously think people buy Kindles and just put them in drawers? What would possibly give you that impression?

 

[Raduque]

You know what would've really made this something? $500 price tag, OSX (not iPhone OS), and decent internal storage (128gb SSD? 250gb HD?).

You know, like you'd think a TABLET should be: a netbook-sized touchscreen full-blown computer.

This thing is just a retarded giant iPod Touch. Meh, I say.

The iCultists will buy every single one and ask for more, though.

 

[0roo0roo]

I said people are lounding outside READING. Obviously most people do not have an eReader. You're changing what I'm saying to try to fit your retort better. Slick move, too bad it failed miserably.

And you seriously think people buy Kindles and just put them in drawers? What would possibly give you that impression?

yea their newspapers
we arent talking about people who still use paper, way to dodge. if this is about ipad vs kindle then only kindle users need apply when looking at how people actually use the damn things.

anyone can walk around and see people use their iphone in most any area, even places that aren't that well off. try playing the find the kindle user game sometime.

 

[Bateluer]

Too expensive for an e-book reader, too much of a power sucker for an e-book reader, e-books will be overpriced and higher priced than Kindle and paper books. Sadly, the maxiPad will sell droves.