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sandorski

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Some tablets which you can buy now, some tablet netbooks which you can buy now, some unreleased tablets, and some unreleased tablet netbooks:

http://www.amazon.com/ARCHOS-PC-Tabl.../dp/B002V3C4F8
http://www.amazon.com/Touch-8-9-Inch...4693862&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-S10-3t-...693904&sr=1-29
http://www.liliputing.com/2010/01/haleron-introducs-a-10-inch-atom-powered-tablet.html
haleron-ilet2.jpg

http://www.giga-byte.com.tw/Products/Notebook/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2835
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/14/digitalrise-x9-tablet-has-atom-multitouch-780-price-tag/
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And that's without considering what might come out based on an ARM CPU.

Ahh ok. Perhaps I was hasty on my declaration of a Winner. I suspect it will do very well and/or eventually be the dominant player though. Apple has too much cache and supporting Infrastructure(iTunes Store etc) for it not to have an advantage out of the gate.
 

bas1c

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you have major logic issues. only an idiot would try to expand that argument to include people who read regular paper material when it was about how important reading outside on an ebook reader was. they are not only irrelevant to the argument because they aren't using any device, they are also actively ignoring the kindle option already. this was about the importance of such usage to only ebook reader users. aka typical usage of ebooks, not of regular books. you make a huge unsupported assumption if you assume all ebook usage is equivalent to regular book usage. just walking around trying to find anyone reading a kindle in public shows how rare it is.

legitimate question? you must be kidding me. you might as well ask why would anyone with an iphone and "application" buy a kindle:p that you can't see how ridiculous that question is on its face shows how pointless it is to respond to it at all.

The issue was never expanded. It started with people reading not with Kindle.
 

Lonyo

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Ahh ok. Perhaps I was hasty on my declaration of a Winner. I suspect it will do very well and/or eventually be the dominant player though. Apple has too much cache and supporting Infrastructure(iTunes Store etc) for it not to have an advantage out of the gate.

Windows based tablets have... Windows. Assuming the tablet edition of Win 7 is decent (never used it personally).
That's quite a supporting infrastructure.
It's the ARM devices which are at a disadvantage. They have no Windows, no iTunes.
 

sandorski

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Windows based tablets have... Windows. Assuming the tablet edition of Win 7 is decent (never used it personally).
That's quite a supporting infrastructure.
It's the ARM devices which are at a disadvantage. They have no Windows, no iTunes.

Windows does not compare IMO. It's a different thing than iTunes, Amazon, or such things.
 

Fizzorin

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Marketing 101:

There are two basic types of marketing campaigns, 'proactive' and 'reactive'.

In a proactive campaign a product or service is produced and the marketing dept. is responsible for making people want it.

In a reactive campaign the marketing dept. finds out what people want, conveys that to manufacturing, and a good or service is delivered to meet an existing need.

iPad is a proactive product.

Reactive marketing >>>>> proactive marketing every time
 

sandorski

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Marketing 101:

There are two basic types of marketing campaigns, 'proactive' and 'reactive'.

In a proactive campaign a product or service is produced and the marketing dept. is responsible for making people want it.

In a reactive campaign the marketing dept. finds out what people want, conveys that to manufacturing, and a good or service is delivered to meet an existing need.

iPad is a proactive product.

Reactive marketing >>>>> proactive marketing every time

Not really. Successful Marketing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*Marketing

You're just one of the throng who is looking for any reason to see Apple Fail. They might, but I suspect they'll dominate this Market segment.
 

BlackTigers

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If this had an actual OS on it....I can see it being pretty sweet.

Until then, I can have an iPad Nano for like $200.
 

Deeko

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You have some major reading comprehension issues. This "reading outside" debate was first started by you. Originally, someone said they couldn't imagine using iPad to read outside because of the glossy screen. You then said, (paraphrased) "yeah...because people read outside." People then confirmed that they enjoyed reading outside and cited, accurately, that many people enjoy reading outside. Never once, did anyone say people that read outside only read with Kindles. Way to stay on topic.

In addition, you still have not answered the interesting question as to why anyone with an iPhone would buy iPad if the Kindle app is available at the iStore. Way to avoid a legitimate question. You obviously do not need an eReader.....I'd be surprised if you do much reading other than reading about Apple products.

You're wasting your breath. Rather than actually respond to people's comments, he slightly changes the subject with each post to try to avoid the fact that what he said makes no sense (like that people don't read outside, or that its not apple's fault their books cost more). And plus, he's got a point...why would you buy an eBook for your iPad for $9.99 when you could buy the same eBook for $14.99 from a store with an 'i' before it??? It makes the book 50% better when you can call it an iBook instead of an eBook!!!

Kinda like how he doesn't grasp that people read outside, or that a device that sold like hotcakes a month ago at Christmas hasn't reached market saturation. These simple pieces of logic are too much for the iFan.
 

Deeko

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Marketing 101:

There are two basic types of marketing campaigns, 'proactive' and 'reactive'.

In a proactive campaign a product or service is produced and the marketing dept. is responsible for making people want it.

In a reactive campaign the marketing dept. finds out what people want, conveys that to manufacturing, and a good or service is delivered to meet an existing need.

iPad is a proactive product.

Reactive marketing >>>>> proactive marketing every time

Actually their marketing works very well. They did this with the iPhone, and to a lesser extent, the iPod.

They release a product that, frankly, is woefully incomplete. It lacks a LOT of basic features that there's no excuse for it to lack. They sell it for an ultra-premium. People with brains say "what the hell, that's stupid and overpriced" and don't buy it, the mindless Apple zombies buy it up in droves. Either way, it garners massive hype, even if it doesn't sell THAT much.

A year or two later, they release a "new and improved" version, that includes slightly more of those features....but still not all of them. They also either release a cheaper version (iPod) or subsidize it w/ a contract (iPhone). Now that its a more complete product for less money, more people buy it, even though competing products are still generally superior.

Continue this cycle every year...notice how iPods are only just now including FM Radio, and iPhones are only just now including MMS? There was no good reason to not include those the first time, other than Apple wanted to A) increase hype for a sub par product that will still sell and B) give those people who purchased the first round reason to plunk down an extra $500 on version 2.

I might dislike most of their products, but their marketing is genius.
 
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Fizzorin

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Not really. Successful Marketing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*Marketing

You're just one of the throng who is looking for any reason to see Apple Fail. They might, but I suspect they'll dominate this Market segment.

Really?

Right here I have food. You need food. It's easy for me to sell you food.
Over there I have a newly designed "Swift Kick in the Nuts Machine". You don't think you need a swift kick in the nuts but I do. It will be tough for me to convince you otherwise.

That's proactive vs reactive.

Proactive can succeed, and succeed masterfully well, but pandering to an existing market is easier and statistically more successful than trying to make a market.
 

sandorski

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Really?

Right here I have food. You need food. It's easy for me to sell you food.
Over there I have a newly designed "Swift Kick in the Nuts Machine". You don't think you need a swift kick in the nuts but I do. It will be tough for me to convince you otherwise.

That's proactive vs reactive.

Proactive can succeed, and succeed masterfully well, but pandering to an existing market is easier and statistically more successful than trying to make a market.

Really.
 

Fizzorin

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3) The trademark is currently owned by another company in the US so they can't even safely use that name yet

There are 7 active trademarks for iPad in the US:
Siemens, for engines
Coconut Grove, for bras
ACS, for sponges
Nissen, for medical devices
Fujitsu, for handheld computing in a retail environment
Mag-Tek, for PIN readers
IP Application Development, for home computing

The IP mark is the only one in contention with Apple's iPad. That mark was filed on 1/16/10. Could be a holding company for Apple, or maybe a corporate extortion attempt.
 

Lonyo

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There are 7 active trademarks for iPad in the US:
Siemens, for engines
Coconut Grove, for bras
ACS, for sponges
Nissen, for medical devices
Fujitsu, for handheld computing in a retail environment
Mag-Tek, for PIN readers
IP Application Development, for home computing

The IP mark is the only one in contention with Apple's iPad. That mark was filed on 1/16/10. Could be a holding company for Apple, or maybe a corporate extortion attempt.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/187537/apple_tries_to_wrangle_ipad_trademark.html
I was going based on that story.
 

StrangeRanger

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Really?

Right here I have food. You need food. It's easy for me to sell you food.
Over there I have a newly designed "Swift Kick in the Nuts Machine". You don't think you need a swift kick in the nuts but I do. It will be tough for me to convince you otherwise.

That's proactive vs reactive.

Proactive can succeed, and succeed masterfully well, but pandering to an existing market is easier and statistically more successful than trying to make a market.

Funny you mention that... I was just thinking I could use a swift kick in the nuts. Meh, guess I'll just pay my cell phone. Basically the same thing.
j
 

dwell

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You really have to wonder why they picked the name when:

1) It's going to be the butt of endless jokes
2) It's already been the butt of jokes
3) The trademark is currently owned by another company in the US so they can't even safely use that name yet

They said the same thing about the Wii. Who laughed last?
 

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Lifer
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They said the same thing about the Wii. Who laughed last?

They also said the same thing about the IBM BC Jr., Crystal Pepsi, the Apple Lisa, and the Edsel. All that says is that sometimes the critics are wrong. More often than not, they are right. Apple just has the jedi-like ability to make people forget their failures -- people forget the likes of Apple TV, the cube, their video game console and the IIGS.

And for the gaming industry -- for every Wii, there are ten Atari Jaguars and CD-is
 

dwell

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They also said the same thing about the IBM BC Jr., Crystal Pepsi, the Apple Lisa, and the Edsel. All that says is that sometimes the critics are wrong. More often than not, they are right. Apple just has the jedi-like ability to make people forget their failures -- people forget the likes of Apple TV, the cube, their video game console and the IIGS.

And for the gaming industry -- for every Wii, there are ten Atari Jaguars and CD-is

I was talking about the name "Wii". After E3 2005 everyone was making urine jokes. Anyone making them now?
 

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Lifer
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I was talking about the name "Wii". After E3 2005 everyone was making urine jokes. Anyone making them now?

Oh, no. People will get over the iPon jokes after a while. Hell, iShitinabox would eventually stop getting laughs. The market won't necessarily get past the problems with the device itself.