Tweak155
Lifer
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I'm a huge Blizzard fan for sure and I bought this game, hearing this does piss me off a little though. I think it's anti-consumer even though it likely impacts a small % of people.
I'm tempted to "return" it, but I really have no interest playing it offline so I'll probably just keep it
I'm for companies getting paid for their games. As consumer friendly as possible, but if the choice is massive pirating or requiring an internet connection, I'm ok with the internet connection, and people who don't want that can not buy it.
I'm a huge Blizzard fan for sure and I bought this game, hearing this does piss me off a little though. I think it's anti-consumer even though it likely impacts a small % of people.
I'm tempted to "return" it, but I really have no interest playing it offline so I'll probably just keep it
The reason a lot of games have this always online DRM is because people like you still buy them.
If nobody bought games with online DRM, they would drop it pretty quickly.
Tweak155
Lifer
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Bought it (remastered) the day it came out as I like StarCraft and recently played the free "old" release and realized its still very fun. I think its funny when people say RTS is dead, no its full of people who make games that cant seem to understand mirror units with different skins is pretty lame. You need units that make tactics an actual thing, rock/paper/scissors. With that said Blizzard has come full circle. they have never had an original idea, but are the MASTERS of taking somebody elses hard work and Ideas and polishing them to perfection. Helps to let others do the heavy lifting and you can just do the polish part. Dune II was just copied from a sci fi to fantasy setting, Crusader was pretty much copied from a sci-fi to fantasy setting (i will admit this one is a little eh)Warcraft (MMORPG) they didn't bother switching it up, just copied (and again this one is eh, everybody did this with MMORPG after EQ had some mild success), now they are just updating their old games, coping themselves so to speak.
Starcraft i admit is about as perfect as RTS game can get, so while i say copied, they did a damn fine job, and it still holds up today. I am sure wheni say copied its actually wrong, its UPDATED graphics, I am pretty sure they dont want to mess with tweeks in gameplay as it would screw up the E-sport market ( and im fine with that) But i have to agree, Internet only? Sure for Multi player, of course.. for verifying purchase (one time maybe), of course.. but single player? I work IT for a company that covers the entire US and can tell you the "most people have great full time connects" is total BS. There is a reason people bitch about the US internet and point out its behind several "third world countries" yes, many have good connects, i suspect most of us do, but many do not.. azz end towns ( there are alot) get horrible service quite often. Deciding 5 or 10% of your customers are SOL is bad. Wont hurt the bottom line, but its still bad especially when its totally UNNECESSARY. Again being online to verify its a legit copy, 1 time, maybe every 20 logins.. ok.. but not every time. But we live in America, they do it because they can and there might be some way to mine that data for a buck or two, F the 10% who it will probably screw up a bit.
rant off, still damn fun and looks better!
Starcraft i admit is about as perfect as RTS game can get, so while i say copied, they did a damn fine job, and it still holds up today. I am sure wheni say copied its actually wrong, its UPDATED graphics, I am pretty sure they dont want to mess with tweeks in gameplay as it would screw up the E-sport market ( and im fine with that) But i have to agree, Internet only? Sure for Multi player, of course.. for verifying purchase (one time maybe), of course.. but single player? I work IT for a company that covers the entire US and can tell you the "most people have great full time connects" is total BS. There is a reason people bitch about the US internet and point out its behind several "third world countries" yes, many have good connects, i suspect most of us do, but many do not.. azz end towns ( there are alot) get horrible service quite often. Deciding 5 or 10% of your customers are SOL is bad. Wont hurt the bottom line, but its still bad especially when its totally UNNECESSARY. Again being online to verify its a legit copy, 1 time, maybe every 20 logins.. ok.. but not every time. But we live in America, they do it because they can and there might be some way to mine that data for a buck or two, F the 10% who it will probably screw up a bit.
rant off, still damn fun and looks better!
Vivendi
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I got the refund early this morning (submitted the ticket around midnight). While I love the game... I did it to let Blizzard know (in some small way) that this type of DRM isn't OK.
I just can't figure the logic of having online required for a game like this one. What sort of crack are they smoking ?
Some business bigwig at Blizzard who knows nothing about piracy or gaming is concerned that those dirty filthy pirates will be STEALING their hard work away from under their noses.
He clearly fell for the sales pitch in which DRM vendors gave a "guarantee" that DRM will increase profits by reducing piracy. Nevermind the inconvenient fact that most pirates would not buy your game even if they could not pirate it.
Tweak155
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It's a bit of a tear-between for me as I'm a software developer and a consumer. On one hand, I don't blame them for trying to "defeat" pirates, and on the consumer hand I don't like the methods they choose to implement. That said, I also don't know what the better option is besides removing any and all DRM, which relieves the consumer but not the producer.
If you're going to cry about DRM but do nothing to help solve the problem, I don't really care to hear the crying. Since I also am equally doing nothing to help solve the problem, I choose to still buy the game as I can appreciate what their goal is... until that DRM directly impacts me I will choose to accept it.
I buy plenty of other things that have their downsides, and I also choose not to buy other things due to their downsides. In this case, DRM is not a no-buy for me, although I do not like it.
If you're going to cry about DRM but do nothing to help solve the problem, I don't really care to hear the crying. Since I also am equally doing nothing to help solve the problem, I choose to still buy the game as I can appreciate what their goal is... until that DRM directly impacts me I will choose to accept it.
I buy plenty of other things that have their downsides, and I also choose not to buy other things due to their downsides. In this case, DRM is not a no-buy for me, although I do not like it.
Anubis
No Lifer
Isn't that pretty much the norm for 19 year old games? Starcraft's 1998 release makes it the same age as Age of Empires 1, Baldur's Gate 1, Commandos Behind Enemy Lines, Fallout 2, Grim Fandango, Quake 2: Ground Zero, Thief 1, Tomb Raider 3, Unreal 1, etc, all of which have long been DRM-free either on GOG or elsewhere, and community patched for widescreen & HD resolutions (including Diablo 2) years ago.
SC1 is a decent game, but there's really nothing "special" about the 'retro-milking' of 20 year old Blizzard games vs everyone else's as far as DRM is concerned.
I agree with this, and considering they have a precedent of doing a fair amount of work on the house (see Diablo 2's patch history), I really don't even see why they're charging for what amounts to a detail increase on the unit skins. It's not like they released new maps, a new expansion, new units, new techs, new anything. I'd be surprised if this took more than a couple hundred man-hours (between a couple artists and some management).
Not that I'm saying they should work for free, but little stuff like this goes a long way for consumer loyalty, which pays dividends. Instead, we've got people in this thread actually refunding the game because not only did they charge for it, they added an onerous DRM mechanic. Short-sighted.
Tweak155
Lifer
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The base game without the HD skin is already free... I don't get why you come in here to complain if you're not interested in the HD anyway? Play the old one for free then. But I'm sure you'll find a reason to complain about that, too.
Tweak155
Lifer
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Yes, and you pick and choose which threads to read. I typically pick those that interest me otherwise all I'm doing is wasting my time (your reply clearly thinks this remake is a waste of effort / time / is a money grab). But, you're free to do that, just as I'm free to reply and point it out. Please refer to your own link if you have any questions.
Aikouka
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But the difference is that Diablo III actually required the online connectivity. Every time you start a game in Diablo III, the server creates a world for you, and it runs on their servers. So, there is a technical reason for it; however, you could argue that having all games controlled by the server was a poor technical choice. To be honest, it was likely to avoid duping, and I wouldn't be surprised if part of it was influenced by the introduction of the auction house... and especially the real money auction house.
You can download StarCraft + Brood Wars for free from Blizzard. It was made free once the Remaster was announced a few months ago. The remaster is the only thing that isn't free.
I think it technically was copied. It has always been a thing that Blizzard doesn't have the source code for the original game anymore, and they had to rebuild it from scratch. There was the guy that turned in the disc that he found, but I think that was just a gold master disc, which usually just contains the final build of a product. Although, since they turn out patches ever so often, they likely still have some data to work with.
It would be interesting to hear what they had to do to make the remaster.
Vivendi
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Why would Blizzard not have the StarCraft source code??? They have it. And the guy who found the disc on ebay, it also had the source code on it, it wasn't just a gold master disc. That's why it was such a big deal, the guy returned it to Blizzard rather than leak the code, which would've allowed people to make their own StarCraft builds.
Who says I wasn't interested in the HD version? I actually considered buying it to give the single player another run through, but I'm not given the online requirement, just on principal. You don't need to stifle conversation by attempting to bludgeon others with your own thoughts/feelings.
Tweak155
Lifer
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Because you literally quoted BSim and said you agreed with what he stated, which was a post that clearly indicated lack of interest with the way it was written.
Perhaps don't latch onto posts you don't agree with, and then state you agree with it.
I also would like to know how I'm stifling others? I'm adding my thoughts after others are adding theirs, why is your approach any better than mine?
I didn't even know about the DRM issue until I read this thread so please don't try and twist around my post to fit your "why is he in the thread if he hate's the game" false assumptions. Secondly, even for those who don't buy the game, I think you'll find it's entirely possible to observe / comment on an issue without bowing to a 'suggestion' that everyone adopt a "PollyAnna" style of posting unless they provide a receipt...
Probably the contradictory and even sarcastic tone of your posts (ie, "If you're going to cry about DRM", "I'm sure you'll find a reason to complain about that too", etc) comes across as "appeal to ridicule" styled trolling, especially after you previously called the DRM "pretty crappy" and "shady" yourself on page 1 which is sending "do what I say, not what I do" mixed messages to say the least...
Chiefcrowe
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Interesting read... no DRM content though!
The trouble with Zerglings: How Blizzard updated a classic (while keeping it the same)
Behind the scenes with StarCraft: Remastered
https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/18/16153628/starcraft-remastered-blizzard-zerg-terran-protoss
The trouble with Zerglings: How Blizzard updated a classic (while keeping it the same)
Behind the scenes with StarCraft: Remastered
https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/18/16153628/starcraft-remastered-blizzard-zerg-terran-protoss
Tweak155
Lifer
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This is why I specifically said "with the way it was written". Am I supposed to read your mind? Everything you wrote came across as negative, which part of your post indicated any interest?
I had already bought the game before even coming into this thread and without the knowledge of the DRM issue, which I indicated. I then said it pissed me off, which also puts myself in the "crying" portion of my comment, which I knew before I typed it and I intentionally included myself with that comment. As far as pointing out complaining, just read the thread. It's a reasonable expectation I would have (that you'll find a reason to complain).
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