Starbucks went to gender neutral bathrooms

[[DHT]Osiris]

Family bathrooms have locks and only have room for 1 family who would then lock the door.

Since when? Every family bathroom I've ever seen/walked into has had no locks. It's identical to the male/female sides, just has both on the little picture.

 

[rh71]

All I can, and the only thing further in this sub-thread I will say, is go back and read posts 35-37 and 40, and then tell me you're being "objective" in any rational sense of that word...

Not merely a subjective one, an irrational one.

I have no issue with taking measure's to ensure any vulnerable group's safety - within reason. But again, to stick to the actual situation at hand, what we're talking about is a female-identifying-transgender-biological-male using a women's room. And woman's chance of being assaulted by such a person is about as high as being hit by a meteor while she's leaving the stall... (Not to mention orders of magnitude lower lower than a transgender-woman's risk of being assaulted in a biological-male restroom, I might add.)

How is a fear for safety in a confined space for a weaker human irrational?

I'm not talking about transgenders because you guys have been arguing with me about a woman not needing to worry about her safety. Plain as that.

I thought objectivity was viewing it from an outside perspective. Regardless, I continue to disagree with your assessment.

Correct, you have a point that an alien gender would likely not rape women no matter the type of room.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Correct, you have a point that an alien gender would likely not rape women no matter the type of room.

Got any buzzfeed citations to back that up?

 

[rh71]

Since when? Every family bathroom I've ever seen/walked into has had no locks. It's identical to the male/female sides, just has both on the little picture.

The purpose of the family bathroom isn't so males and females can pee together. It is for changing babies or taking little children in to assist them. Why would a family bathroom be as big as a male or female bathroom unless you're at a beach?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The purpose of the family bathroom isn't so males and females can pee together. It is for changing babies or taking little children in to assist them. Why would a family bathroom be as big as a male or female bathroom unless you're at a beach?

I don't know, because reasons? Every family bathroom I've been in has had a changing station (or three), at least 2x urinals, and at least 2x stalls. It's just a damn bathroom. It's not a special hideaway for a family to change diapers.

Incidentally every place with a family bathroom also had baby changing stations in the male and female (i assume) lavatories as well, because apparently there's babies everywhere.

 

[rh71]

Got any buzzfeed citations to back that up?

Narrow viewpoints can't be helped regardless of cited sources.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Narrow viewpoints can't be helped regardless of cited sources.

I can cite sources stating the earth is flat, doesn't make it right.

 

[rh71]

I don't know, because reasons? Every family bathroom I've been in has had a changing station (or three), at least 2x urinals, and at least 2x stalls. It's just a damn bathroom. It's not a special hideaway for a family to change diapers.

Incidentally every place with a family bathroom also had baby changing stations in the male and female (i assume) lavatories as well, because apparently there's babies everywhere.

What's the point of a large family bathroom in addition to large male and female bathrooms? None. They don't exist, unless you're at a beach perhaps.

What's more, a lone female would not be going into a family bathroom so saying "unisex bathrooms have been around forever" proves nothing.

I can cite sources stating the earth is flat, doesn't make it right.

I should've realized early on I was engaging with your type.

 

[nakedfrog]

How is a fear for safety in a confined space for a weaker human irrational?

I'm not talking about transgenders because you guys have been arguing with me about a woman not needing to worry about her safety. Plain as that.



Correct, you have a point that an alien gender would likely not rape women no matter the type of room.

Actually, I argued that her safety was the same before as it is now.

 

[rh71]

Actually, I argued that her safety was the same before as it is now.

Then why do women get raped in elevators?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What's the point of a large family bathroom in addition to large male and female bathrooms? None. They don't exist, unless you're at a beach perhaps.



I should've realized early on I was engaging with your type.

I was making an obtuse comment to point out the illogical nature of you citing buzzfeed as proof that a woman cares about a thing. It's just as moronic as a source citing the earth is flat.

And no, there is a purpose, overflow from the other bathrooms. They do exist, I've walked in them. Unless you're prepared to tell me that I'm lying, and/or cannot comprehend what I see?

 

[nakedfrog]

Then why do women get raped in elevators?

Because some people are rapists?

 

[rh71]

I was making an obtuse comment to point out the illogical nature of you citing buzzfeed as proof that a woman cares about a thing. It's just as moronic as a source citing the earth is flat.

And no, there is a purpose, overflow from the other bathrooms. They do exist, I've walked in them. Unless you're prepared to tell me that I'm lying, and/or cannot comprehend what I see?

Oh, overflow... as in safety in numbers. Buzzfeed shows all the concerns you don't have. That's where objectivity comes in. No facts about women being raped more or less anywhere so the correlation is moronic.

Because some people are rapists?

You only get partial credit. Enclosed public space where both genders are allowed to walk in freely. Work out the rest on your own.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Oh, overflow... as in safety in numbers.

No, as in people walk in them instead of the others. I've walked in them when they were empty, when there was only one other person in them, and when all the bathrooms were packed. It really doesn't matter. really.

To my previous question, do you believe me that there are indeed large communal bathrooms which exist outside of beaches? Or am I a liar/incapable of processing visual information?

 

[Mike64]

How is a fear for safety in a confined space for a weaker human irrational?

In that specific space as opposed to any other? Absolutely irrational, especially since sex-segregated bathrooms are only a "suggestion" with no "enforcement". It's a cultural convention, and of course there's supposed to be a (presumably much stronger) cultural convention against sexual assault, too (not to mention penal sanctions), but that doesn't appear to bother sex offenders, so the presumption that a little sign on the door constitutes "objective safety" is, indeed, "irrational". It is an extremely unfortunate fact of their lives that women do in fact, quite rationally, have to bear in mind, to one degree another, the risk of sexual assault any time they're in public, but believing that maintaining sex-segregated public lavatories does anything real, much less significant, to obviate that risk is both ridiculous and, again, irrational.

(I know I said my last past would be my last, hopefully I'll be able to restrain myself from further comment, because this has gotten ridiculous.)

 

[rh71]

No, as in people walk in them instead of the others. I've walked in them when they were empty, when there was only one other person in them, and when all the bathrooms were packed. It really doesn't matter. really.

To my previous question, do you believe me that there are indeed large communal bathrooms which exist outside of beaches? Or am I a liar/incapable of processing visual information?

Given the option including family bathrooms, a woman will always be in the female-only bathroom. Because, concerns with safety.

Just as your assertion that you've never seen locks on family bathrooms, I've never seen large public communal bathrooms.

 

[nakedfrog]

Oh, overflow... as in safety in numbers. Buzzfeed shows all the concerns you don't have. That's where objectivity comes in.



You only get partial credit. Enclosed public space where both genders are allowed to walk in freely. Work out the rest on your own.

"Pretty lady just went into the single-occupancy female bathroom... I was gonna rape her, but now I can't. Darn it."

 

[rh71]

"Pretty lady just went into the single-occupancy female bathroom... I was gonna rape her, but now I can't. Darn it."

In that specific space as opposed to any other? Absolutely irrational, especially since sex-segregated bathrooms are only a "suggestion" with no "enforcement".

As someone already pointed out, these entryways to separate male and female bathrooms are in highly visible areas.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Given the option including family bathrooms, a woman will always be in the female-only bathroom. Because, concerns with safety.

Just as your assertion that you've never seen locks on family bathrooms, I've never seen large public communal bathrooms.

Your assertion was that the only communal bathrooms which do exist are ones with locks on them, presumably to prevent the rapists from coming in and raping everyone's favorite female. I have found that there are indeed many that do not, and no rapes are taking place. Our assertions are not equivalent because yours is bound in falsehood and FUD, whereas mine is bound in observation.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

As someone already pointed out, these entryways to separate male and female bathrooms are in highly visible areas.

So are the ones for elevators, where apparently rapes are also taking place daily. Why isn't the public entryway stopping anything there?

 

[WelshBloke]

And again, to stick to the actual situation at hand, what we're talking about is a female-identifying-transgender-biological-male using a women's room. And a woman's chance of being assaulted by such a person is about as high as being hit by a meteor while she's leaving the stall... (Not to mention orders of magnitude lower than a transgender-woman's risk of being assaulted in a biological-male restroom, I might add.)

The risk of getting hit on by a Republican politician in a public toilet is higher than getting hit on by a random transgender in a public toilet!

 

[rh71]

Your assertion was that the only communal bathrooms which do exist are ones with locks on them, presumably to prevent the rapists from coming in and raping everyone's favorite female. I have found that there are indeed many that do not, and no rapes are taking place. Our assertions are not equivalent because yours is bound in falsehood and FUD, whereas mine is bound in observation.

Once again, family rooms and lone females... you've seen this too? I guess it's ok to have unisex bathrooms since these have been around forever!

So are the ones for elevators, where apparently rapes are also taking place daily. Why isn't the public entryway stopping anything there?

Wow are you dense. For like the 3rd time in 20 minutes, because males and females are expected to both go inside and nobody would be alarmed. Not true for separate bathrooms.

 

[nakedfrog]

As someone already pointed out, these entryways to separate male and female bathrooms are in highly visible areas.

As mentioned, I don't frequent Starbucks, so I guess I can't comment on their specific bathroom layout.
But many of the establishments I patronize have their bathrooms down a hall somewhere, or some other location that isn't easily visible from the main section.

 

[rh71]

As mentioned, I don't frequent Starbucks, so I guess I can't comment on their specific bathroom layout.
But many of the establishments I patronize have their bathrooms down a hall somewhere, or some other location that isn't easily visible from the main section.

The last Starbucks I went to, this was true. They both also had combination locks on them.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Oh your observation! Sounds too legit.


Wow are you dense. For like the 3rd time in 20 minutes, because males and females are expected to both go inside and nobody would be alarmed. Not true for separate bathrooms.

... and if universal bathrooms were more a thing, nobody would be shocked to see them to both go in. If we lived in a world where gender specific elevators were always a thing, two entering the same would be shocking.

I could also point back to segregation, where a black man entering a white man's bathroom would have been shocking. Amazingly, not a problem now.

And I suppose you are trying to call me out on either lying or not knowing what I saw, so you're now attacking the messenger, as your attack on the message has fallen apart.