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Fritzo said:
That is also the difference between creating a manufactured product and creating art. The best movies don't do what the masses expect.
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Are you seriously calling episodes 1-3 art???? They were, at best, "manufactured products" put out by an executive who forgot how art is made.

Fritzo said:
Star Wars was absolutely NOT mainstream. It was a totally new idea, totally new effects, and the cast was actually convinced it was just a B movie when they were working on it. In fact, Lucas had his funding pulled by the studio before the thing was even finished because they thought it was a waste of time.

If Lucas had made Star Wars another cookie-cutter, for the masses sci-fi movie, it would have been forgotten.
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Star Wars came out about 37 years ago. In the mean time, Lucas turned the franchise into a cookie-cutter, for the masses sci-fi product.

JJ Abrams CAN'T RUIN STAR WARS! George Lucas already did that 15 years ago. You idiots should just shut the fuck up about Abrams changing the franchise. There's nothing left to save because the worst filmmaker of the past 2 decades already killed it.

Abrams might be able to resurrect star wars, but if he can't, he wasn't the one that ruined the franchise.
 
I think that Fritzo was talking mostly about Star Trek, which was also ruined by the time JJ Abrams came along. Abrams may in fact be more suited to Star Wars, which is more action-oriented and less cerebral than Trek.

Just as long as literary con-man Damon Fucking Lindelof is kept far, far away from the galaxy far, far away, this has a chance to be decent.
 
preslove said:
JJ Abrams CAN'T RUIN STAR WARS! George Lucas already did that 15 years ago. You idiots should just shut the fuck up about Abrams changing the franchise. There's nothing left to save because the worst filmmaker of the past 2 decades already killed it.

Abrams might be able to resurrect star wars, but if he can't, he wasn't the one that ruined the franchise.
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I do agree with this viewpoint. I very seriously doubt that Abrams will do a worse job than Lucas did, and I suppose we should be thankful considering Lucas was working on episode 7, 8, and 9 when the Disney sale occurred despite the fact he repeatedly denied they would be happening. I shudder to think what those would've been like with Lucas at the helm and I do have a slight concern because I did hear Lucas was still a "consultant" on these new movies.

I heard that what finally pushed Lucas to sell to Disney was that his last movie, Red Tails, was a flop and he was tired of all the criticism of that movie and the continued criticism of the prequels and the multitude of DVD/blu ray releases. Unfortunately for him, most of the criticism was spot on.
 
Ruptga said:
Oh you're right, it's all my fault that by page six of the thread we were discussing a different franchise that the same director was involved with. A franchise that is in many ways similar to the franchise in the OP.

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We're still only on page 2.
 
preslove said:
Are you seriously calling episodes 1-3 art???? They were, at best, "manufactured products" put out by an executive who forgot how art is made.
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Absolutely not. 1-3 were not good movies for a number of reasons, and you can tell they were reverse engineered to shoehorn in to the existing storyline. The CGI also gave them a "phoned in" feel.

SW Ep 4 is art because of its creativity. You have to be hungry to be creative, and this is a great example.

SW Ep 5 is art because not only are they fresh off of the success of Ep 4, they have more resources to create the vision, but that same hunger is still there. It is widely considered the best Star Wars movie. This is a common phenomenon- look at iconic music groups and you'll often find that their 2nd album is the best of their collection.

SW Ep 6 started the downward spiral. Overconfidence set in, and this is where everyone started to realize "We could film a cow pie with a lightsaber for 2 hours and people would pay to see it."

After that, Episodes 1, 2, and 3 started following formulaic film making, with awkward "reverse story telling", making them a bit of a mess.
 
Most of you guys are nuts...

The reason everyone is butthurt about the Abrams star trek reboots is because they were better star wars movies than star trek movies.

This gives me hope that star wars will be fixed by Abrams. If the major complaint from all the jaded and butthurt uber star trek nerds is lens flare then I'd say they got something right.
 
VulgarDisplay said:
Most of you guys are nuts...

The reason everyone is butthurt about the Abrams star trek reboots is because they were better star wars movies than star trek movies.
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That's it. They're not Star Trek. That's my main complaint about them, anyways.

Well, that, and that their plots make no sense whatsoever... :whiste:

I think he'll do okay with Star Wars as long as the screenwriting is solid.
 
qliveur said:
That's it. They're not Star Trek. That's my main complaint about them, anyways.

Well, that, and that their plots make no sense whatsoever... :whiste:

I think he'll do okay with Star Wars as long as the screenwriting is solid.
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They are not Star Trek? I could have sworn Captain Kirk wasn't a Jedi and Spock wasn't a Sith.

I think the problem is most of you think that what worked in the 1979 is going to work today as a movie. Sorry, but that just isn't true.
 
VulgarDisplay said:
Most of you guys are nuts...

The reason everyone is butthurt about the Abrams star trek reboots is because they were better star wars movies than star trek movies.

This gives me hope that star wars will be fixed by Abrams. If the major complaint from all the jaded and butthurt uber star trek nerds is lens flare then I'd say they got something right.
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:hmm: That's actually a good point. If Kirk could use the Force it would have been an awesome Star Wars movie :awe:

Anyway, I'm reserving judgement until I can see one finished product. I'm just not a fan of Abrams past work.
 
theplaidfad said:
Your complaint is invalid
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smackababy said:
They are not Star Trek? I could have sworn Captain Kirk wasn't a Jedi and Spock wasn't a Sith.

I think the problem is most of you think that what worked in the 1979 is going to work today as a movie. Sorry, but that just isn't true.
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For the simple-minded trolls in this thread who just don't get it:

Star Trek is about people first, pew-pew second. Star Wars is pretty much the reverse.
 
qliveur said:
For the simple-minded:



Star Trek is about people first, pew-pew second.
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I feel like I'm talking to a child replying to you, but again I'm suckered into a reply.

Just because it doesn't fit what it once was doesn't mean that it isn't what it now is.

Who is the more simple minded person, the one who can accept change and learn to embrace it and enjoy it for what it is, or the one who can't accept change and wallows in his own misery because a work of fiction doesn't fit his idea of what it was and should always be?

You sir, are the simple minded. Not I. I love all of Star Trek in every iteration and the entire Star Trek universe.
 
That's because you, sir, are a whore. A whore who is easily fascinated by the newest shiny object dangled in front of you.

And, with that, I'm out.
 
Awe a second personal attack from a kid with his jimmies all rustled because a fictional story isn't what he thinks it should be. The sweet irony of your chide remarks toward me only fuel my further opinion that anything I see you type from here on out will be severely discounted.
 
That's fine. I won't be engaging you anymore anyway because you're just a troll, and, as with any troll, conversing with you is a complete waste of time.
Ruptga said:
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I'm out. Maybe you'll have better luck trolling someone else.
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Looks like you did. :$
 
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"You're a troll." The new ubiquitous phrase for saying "I can't handle this debate, I quit."
 
Guy 1 has different opinion than guy 2. Guy 2 personally attacks the character of guy 1 because of said different opinion. Guy 1 points this out as childish. Guy 2 takes his ball and goes home.

Over a fictional work of art.
 
So just to clarify, the fact that my opinion differs so wildly from yours must mean that I really, in fact, do not have an opinion at all?

You've got quite a lot of disappointments coming your way in life. Better start learning to cope now.

Edit: In fact, don't bother watching any of these movies.
 
I may not. I really wish I hadn't seen the prequels.

They were like train wreck. As a Star Wars fan, I couldn't look away, even though watching them was sheer torture.

I'm now convinced that George Lucas is a sadist.
 
qliveur said:
I may not. I really wish I hadn't seen the prequels.

They were like train wreck. As a Star Wars fan, I couldn't look away, even though watching them was sheer torture.

I'm now convinced that George Lucas is a sadist.
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Maybe you went in to see them forgetting who the target audience was. You're certainly making the right choice for yourself not seeing these upcoming, in that case.
 
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