Standup Citizen George Zimmerman

[irishScott]

Seems like George Zimmerman has achieved the same AT topic status as:

tipping
evolution
gay marriage
(am I forgetting something?)

guaranteed longass thread with lots of anger.

Police Militarization
Israel

 

[alzan]

His duties as the NW was to observe and report, which is what he tried to do by trying to see if TM had ran out the back gate as others had previously. Based on the evidence TM is the one that came back to confront GZ and not the other way around.

From the National Sheriffs Assn. (they oversee Neighborhood Watch) website: "National Neighborhood Watch does not advocate watch members taking any action when observing suspicious activity in their neighborhood. Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” and should report their observations of suspicious activities to their local law enforcement. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action; citizens should never try to take action on those observations"

Doing anything other than reporting the initial observance is where GZ went wrong.

 

[chucky2]

Except GZ didn't do anything wrong. This is America. If GZ wants to walk in a public area to see where a suspicious character just went in his own neighborhood, he doesn't need to follow guidelines from a sherrif association. He can, and this is key, just go where he desires when he desires in that public area. Same as TM. This whole narrative push that GZ somehow is obligated to call it in from his truck and then go cower at home while the police ineffectually not find who is called in is a smokescreen to the actual issue. Why do people keep bring it up? Worse, why do people keep repeating it like GZ was in the wrong for getting out of his truck?

 

[cubby1223]

From the National Sheriffs Assn. (they oversee Neighborhood Watch) website: "National Neighborhood Watch does not advocate watch members taking any action when observing suspicious activity in their neighborhood. Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” and should report their observations of suspicious activities to their local law enforcement. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action; citizens should never try to take action on those observations"

Doing anything other than reporting the initial observance is where GZ went wrong.

So... what you're trying to say is it's best for the safety of neighborhood watchmen not to follow suspicious individuals?

Is that all you are trying to say?

Because proper watchmen procedures are not and never were the issue of contention in this debate.

 

[Druidx]

And when the intellectual dishonesty of your position is exposed you vacillate to legalize.

Oh the irony of you accusing someone of intellectual dishonesty, from the same man who argued for 2 weeks that a Super Target grocery store wasn't a REAL grocery store. Just so you could claim GZ lied when he said he was on his way to the grocery store.

LMAO

 

[Londo_Jowo]

From the National Sheriffs Assn. (they oversee Neighborhood Watch) website: "National Neighborhood Watch does not advocate watch members taking any action when observing suspicious activity in their neighborhood. Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” and should report their observations of suspicious activities to their local law enforcement. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action; citizens should never try to take action on those observations"

Doing anything other than reporting the initial observance is where GZ went wrong.

The Neighborhood Watch program for the Retreat at Twin Lakes was not a member of the National Sheriff's Assn Neighborhood Watch program so citing their recommendations is not valid.

Also even if these recommendations were to apply, what actions did he take other than try to figure out/observe where TM ran?

 

[Druidx]

You seem to have taken your argumentative technique from DruidX. Take someone's words out of context and run with it. You must win a lot of arguments that way.

LOL, you endlessly whined that it was racial, when people disagreed, you claimed Detective Serino said it was racial.

I think the fact remains if TM wasn't black, he wouldn't have been deemed suspicous. He was not doing anything illegal that night. Those are not my words, but Det. Serino's words. Serino isn't black and those words came before all the media hoopla.

When Serino actually said " He believed Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because of his attire, the circumstances and recent burglaries in the area, not the color of the teen’s skin.

You now complain that someone took your words out of context when you have a history off straight outright lying to win an argument.

Sorry cupcake, try harder.

 

[Greenman]

Another GZ trial, fun.
Ya'll know that he was acquitted right? You can argue till you're blue in the face, but he was acquitted by a jury. That means it's over.

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So wikipedia is not mentioning the fact there was 4 minutes from the time TM ran until the altercation occurred, which is close to the area from which he had run?

Perhaps he was hiding in the private lounge.

 

[88keys]

Another GZ trial, fun.
Ya'll know that he was acquitted right? You can argue till you're blue in the face, but he was acquitted by a jury. That means it's over.

Nothing to see here, move along.

So was OJ.

Regardless of what anyone wants to believe at this point, I think it's pretty obvious the man is a trouble maker and lives for the sake of finding ways to start trouble. And for that reason alone; I have no doubts that he's guilty for proving the incident with Trayvon Martin. And like OJ; just give this man enough rope and he'll hang himself.

 

[88keys]

Hey I have some jokes!

What does it for a conservative to like a jobless Hispanic who finds his way in and out of the judicial system?

He has to kill a black guy!

What does it take for a conservative to like a black guy?

He has to beat the shit out of his woman!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Perhaps he was hiding in the private lounge.

Or perhaps he was was trying to find your toaster

 

[Londo_Jowo]

From the National Sheriffs Assn. (they oversee Neighborhood Watch) website: "National Neighborhood Watch does not advocate watch members taking any action when observing suspicious activity in their neighborhood. Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” and should report their observations of suspicious activities to their local law enforcement. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action; citizens should never try to take action on those observations"

Doing anything other than reporting the initial observance is where GZ went wrong.

Actually I think you're interpreting "taking action" differently than most people as that would be a physical action such as apprehending or detaining a person and there's no evidence that this occurred.

 

[alzan]

Actually I think you're interpreting "taking action" differently than most people as that would be a physical action such as apprehending or detaining a person and there's no evidence that this occurred.

No, most reasonable people would include following a person they deemed suspicious as taking action.

The Neighborhood Watch program for the Retreat at Twin Lakes was not a member of the National Sheriff's Assn Neighborhood Watch program so citing their recommendations is not valid.

Also even if these recommendations were to apply, what actions did he take other than try to figure out/observe where TM ran?

So Retreat at Twin Lakes just kinda makes up rules as they go along?

He observed and had a description of a suspicious individual that he gave to the Sanford, FL PD; who even told GZ that they didn't need GZ to follow TM.

 

[Catriona]

I'm not going to rehash the GZ/TM incident, because, like it or not, I think the jury reached the only decision they could given the evidence presented and FL law.

I will say that George Zimmerman is a psychotic break waiting to happen.

 

[Screech]

we need to get GZ an ATPN account so he can track these threads down and kill them....in self defense

 

[BeeBoop]

GZ has reached celeb status with so many people keeping up with him. Who do you guys believe is his biggest fan?

 

[alzan]

GZ has reached celeb status with so many people keeping up with him. Who do you guys believe is his biggest fan?

Himself.

And some of his defenders in this thread or others.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Please post your GZ comments in the resurrected GZ thread and Ferguson comments here.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Hope Zimmerman's cheerleaders are proud this guy is free to be, uh, something.

A woman beating, black teenager shooting, road raging maniac would be perfect,.. if he wasn't a Latin Jewish person.

 

[irishScott]

I'm not going to rehash the GZ/TM incident, because, like it or not, I think the jury reached the only decision they could given the evidence presented and FL law.

I will say that George Zimmerman is a psychotic break waiting to happen.

Yep, and if/when it happens you can expect a national and very stupid outcry of "told you so!" from every race-card slinging and gun control spamming entity, because heaven forbid you get between them and their false validation!

 

[Darwin333]

The Jury handed out the correct verdict given the circumstance yes. I don't disagree with any of what you said and any of your point, but that really wasn't the question I impose.


The question is, "are you open to the possibility that GZ might have started the physical confrontation and that a possibly murderer is roaming the around a free man?"

Of course anyone without bias, or at least able to recognize their bias, would say that the bolded is possible. Is it likely in the least considering what we know of the incident, no, but obviously it is possible. It is also "possible" that there was a 3rd party present who actually shot TM and he and GZ had a very good plan to get away with it. Possible but not plausible.

 

[Darwin333]

It's fundamentally amazing how some people in this forum can't assimilate new information. A lot of people tried to tell you that GZ was a violent hothead (from his past information (arrest for police assault, domestic violence charge and bouncer stories)). And you guys made him out to be just a salt of the earth guy out to protect his neighborhood and who would rescue kittens from trees. They sold that bill of goods to the jury and he was acquitted.

So, he gets out, gets pulled over a couple of times for speeding, assaults his wife's dad, takes out a knife and cuts open an IPAD (who does that, but a psychopath), his wife divorces him, destroys his ex-wife's parents property, gets arrested for assaulting his girlfriend (who he then takes back), signs up to try to fight DMX (though I'm sure we were told by his defense team that he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag), and now another story of him saying he would kill someone.

Yet even after everything we knew then that is now corroborated by everything we know now about how uncontrollable and violent GZ is, there are people in this forum who want to ignore all that and act like GZ controlled himself that night and all that he wanted to do was inform the police where TM was.

Please. From the moment he left his car till today, what good decisions has the man ever made? My gosh.

Probably all of the ones that didn't make the news?

I still continue to wonder that if all of the above accusations are true, why in the hell has no one pressed charges? Its not like you can claim battered wife syndrome or something because it involves multiple different people.

 

[irishScott]

Of course anyone without bias, or at least able to recognize their bias, would say that the bolded is possible. Is it likely in the least considering what we know of the incident, no, but obviously it is possible. It is also "possible" that there was a 3rd party present who actually shot TM and he and GZ had a very good plan to get away with it. Possible but not plausible.

This. Technically it's possible that everyone found innocent of anything is actually guilty. This is why we have standards of evidence, otherwise we end up with the 17th century French judicial system.

If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.

-Cardinal Richelieu

 

[cubby1223]

It's fundamentally amazing how some people in this forum can't assimilate new information.

After this new information came to light, I did remove Zimmerman from my Christmas card list. What more are you expecting?