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dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

it's NOT stagflation is it :p maybe a slow down in econ growth, but not stagflation...
 

scorpmatt

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Feb 8, 2001
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Did anyone else read the title and think that stagflation was flagstation misspelt?
 

JoeKing

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

because of newegg. ;)

excess goods isn't necessarily a good thing. When I see so many sales in the retail industry I cringe.
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

because of newegg. ;)

excess goods isn't necessarily a good thing. When I see so many sales in the retail industry I cringe.

are you conceding loss?
 

upsciLLion

Diamond Member
Feb 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

I have yet to see a published GDP figure that was not adjusted for inflation. Regardless, the decline in consumer spending is not terrible. With any luck we may see a rise in the savings rate.
 

JoeKing

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
10,641
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Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

because of newegg. ;)

excess goods isn't necessarily a good thing. When I see so many sales in the retail industry I cringe.

are you conceding loss?

eh? Are we having a competition?

But GDP is an indicator of products and services produced. Not moneies spent on those products.
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
1,680
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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

because of newegg. ;)

excess goods isn't necessarily a good thing. When I see so many sales in the retail industry I cringe.

are you conceding loss?

eh? Are we having a competition?

But GDP is an indicator of products and services produced. Not moneies spent on those products.

So you're saying all these producers produce and don't sell?
 

DaWhim

Lifer
Feb 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: hdeck
stagflation - Slow economic growth and relatively high unemployment accompanied by a rise in prices (inflation).

mmk?

now I remember.
in keynesian theory, when the price is low, unemployment will drop because firms have more money to hire more workers. when the price is high, the firms won't be willing to hire more workers. so keynes claimed that an economy cannot have both increase in price level and high unemployment rate.

of course, keynes was proven wrong in the 70's and today, you don't hear much about keynesian theory.

stagflation is a term economists coined during 1970s, because high price level and high unemployment never happened before.
 

shilala

Lifer
Oct 5, 2004
11,437
1
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For all of you that believe that the 5.3% unemployment number is accurate, I'm holding a meeting Saturday where we'll be offering a bridge.
Federal Unemployment Rates are pointless. They show how many people are receiving unemployment benefits. When benefits run out in six months and a worker is still jobless, he is removed from the roles and the unemployment rate decreases.
If there were a jobless rate done by a sampling, it'd even be a more accurate index of the state of the workforce.
 

JoeKing

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
10,641
1
81
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

because of newegg. ;)

excess goods isn't necessarily a good thing. When I see so many sales in the retail industry I cringe.

are you conceding loss?

eh? Are we having a competition?

But GDP is an indicator of products and services produced. Not moneies spent on those products.

So you're saying all these producers produce and don't sell?

If they do, a price below normal retail. That's why you have to look at the GDP along with national consumer spending.
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
1,680
1
0
Originally posted by: shilala
For all of you that believe that the 5.3% unemployment number is accurate, I'm holding a meeting Saturday where we'll be offering a bridge.
Federal Unemployment Rates are pointless. They show how many people are receiving unemployment benefits. When benefits run out in six months and a worker is still jobless, he is removed from the roles and the unemployment rate decreases.
If it were a jobless rate done by a sampling, it'd even be more accurate.

how aabout the people who's unemployment benefits ran out? Oh yea...they found jobs, that's why 5.4% remains constant. By your case, the rate should keep increasing if people don't eventually find jobs. 3% = full employment, always 3% moving around. FUR is very meaningful.
 

DaWhim

Lifer
Feb 3, 2003
12,985
1
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Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

yah we're in a transitional phase right now. While unemplorment may be down, those new jobs are not making as much as they once did. So with less money going into the economy a correction is bound to occur. Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy. Along with the growing emergence of the EU and China, there are bound to be changes, soon, that'll be felt by everybody.

Then how come GDP increased?

because of the artificial inflation.

A lot of things about the current economic rebound is artificial.

How come REAL GDP increased?

because of newegg. ;)

excess goods isn't necessarily a good thing. When I see so many sales in the retail industry I cringe.

are you conceding loss?

eh? Are we having a competition?

But GDP is an indicator of products and services produced. Not moneies spent on those products.

So you're saying all these producers produce and don't sell?


GDP incrase at a rate of 2-3% is because an economy like the united stated need that percentages to sustain. remember more people are moving into this country.
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
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Originally posted by: DaWhim



GDP incrase at a rate of 2-3% is because an economy like the united stated need that percentages to sustain. remember more people are moving into this country.

point being chinaman?
 

shilala

Lifer
Oct 5, 2004
11,437
1
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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

It's springtime. New construction bolsters numbers every spring. New construction is extremely depressed nationwide. That's why "rebound" numbers are so marginal.

 

DaWhim

Lifer
Feb 3, 2003
12,985
1
81
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: DaWhim



GDP incrase at a rate of 2-3% is because an economy like the united stated need that percentages to sustain. remember more people are moving into this country.

point being chinaman?

someone mentions about why GDP increased.
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
1,680
1
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Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

It's springtime. New construction bolsters numbers every spring. New construction is extremely depressed nationwide. That's why "rebound" numbers are so marginal.

Everyone thinks they are an Economist nowadays...
 

shilala

Lifer
Oct 5, 2004
11,437
1
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Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: shilala
For all of you that believe that the 5.3% unemployment number is accurate, I'm holding a meeting Saturday where we'll be offering a bridge.
Federal Unemployment Rates are pointless. They show how many people are receiving unemployment benefits. When benefits run out in six months and a worker is still jobless, he is removed from the roles and the unemployment rate decreases.
If it were a jobless rate done by a sampling, it'd even be more accurate.

how aabout the people who's unemployment benefits ran out? Oh yea...they found jobs, that's why 5.4% remains constant. By your case, the rate should keep increasing if people don't eventually find jobs. 3% = full employment, always 3% moving around. FUR is very meaningful.

Show me the numbers where the workers who's benefits ran out got jobs.
Oh, they probably got one of the 1000's of jobs that were last in the last few years.
Do you suppose they took up some imaginary jobs that they created in their minds?
The 5.4% remains constant because new people are entering the unemployment system at a staggering rate.
Sustained high unemployment figures show that the country is in a world of shyt. A constant loss of available pooled jobs plus an unprecedented number of college graduates equals a hell of a mess.
Do you suppose all the college graduates that don't find jobs are reflected in the Unemployment numbers?
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
1,680
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Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: shilala
For all of you that believe that the 5.3% unemployment number is accurate, I'm holding a meeting Saturday where we'll be offering a bridge.
Federal Unemployment Rates are pointless. They show how many people are receiving unemployment benefits. When benefits run out in six months and a worker is still jobless, he is removed from the roles and the unemployment rate decreases.
If it were a jobless rate done by a sampling, it'd even be more accurate.

how aabout the people who's unemployment benefits ran out? Oh yea...they found jobs, that's why 5.4% remains constant. By your case, the rate should keep increasing if people don't eventually find jobs. 3% = full employment, always 3% moving around. FUR is very meaningful.

Show me the numbers where the workers who's benefits ran out got jobs.
Oh, they probably got one of the 1000's of jobs that were last in the last few years.
Do you suppose they took up some imaginary jobs that they created in their minds?
The 5.4% remains constant because new people are entering the unemployment system at a staggering rate.
Sustained high unemployment figures show that the country is in a world of shyt. A constant loss of available pooled jobs plus an unprecedented number of college graduates equals a hell of a mess.
Do you suppose all the college graduates that don't find jobs are reflected in the Unemployment numbers?

you must have some dumb friends/went to shtty college all my friends have jobs or are in law/med school.
 

shilala

Lifer
Oct 5, 2004
11,437
1
76
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy.

Actually, it's a much better indicator that they don't have any money in their pockets to spend. That may because they have no farging job.

 

JoeKing

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
10,641
1
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Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: shilala
For all of you that believe that the 5.3% unemployment number is accurate, I'm holding a meeting Saturday where we'll be offering a bridge.
Federal Unemployment Rates are pointless. They show how many people are receiving unemployment benefits. When benefits run out in six months and a worker is still jobless, he is removed from the roles and the unemployment rate decreases.
If it were a jobless rate done by a sampling, it'd even be more accurate.

how aabout the people who's unemployment benefits ran out? Oh yea...they found jobs, that's why 5.4% remains constant. By your case, the rate should keep increasing if people don't eventually find jobs. 3% = full employment, always 3% moving around. FUR is very meaningful.

Show me the numbers where the workers who's benefits ran out got jobs.
Oh, they probably got one of the 1000's of jobs that were last in the last few years.
Do you suppose they took up some imaginary jobs that they created in their minds?
The 5.4% remains constant because new people are entering the unemployment system at a staggering rate.
Sustained high unemployment figures show that the country is in a world of shyt. A constant loss of available pooled jobs plus an unprecedented number of college graduates equals a hell of a mess.
Do you suppose all the college graduates that don't find jobs are reflected in the Unemployment numbers?

you must have some dumb friends/went to shtty college all my friends have jobs or are in law/med school.

lol, now that you've run out of logic to spew up you fallback to personal jabs.


nice :thumbsup:
 

JoeKing

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
10,641
1
81
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: jhu
so some economists think we might be in a mini-stagflation now. anyone more versed in econ want to explain this seemingly paradox term? how do you get inflation with a stagnant economy?

due to artifically deflated interests rates for so many years. Thanks Greenspan!

so 5% unemployment + 3% inflation = stagflation? :confused:

if that's the case europe must be going through a very long depression...

I'm giving a possible reason behind the thinking of those analyst. I think we're on a little bit of a rebound at the moment. But with how unhealhy the economy feels, it's not going to last.

WTF? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Avg consumer spending has been on the decline for the past few years, that's usually a pretty good indicator on people's confidence in the economy.

Actually, it's a much better indicator that they don't have any money in their pockets to spend. That may because they have no farging job.

well "confidence" being a very broad term used in economics ;)
 

FlyLice

Banned
Jan 19, 2005
1,680
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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: FlyLice
Originally posted by: shilala
For all of you that believe that the 5.3% unemployment number is accurate, I'm holding a meeting Saturday where we'll be offering a bridge.
Federal Unemployment Rates are pointless. They show how many people are receiving unemployment benefits. When benefits run out in six months and a worker is still jobless, he is removed from the roles and the unemployment rate decreases.
If it were a jobless rate done by a sampling, it'd even be more accurate.

how aabout the people who's unemployment benefits ran out? Oh yea...they found jobs, that's why 5.4% remains constant. By your case, the rate should keep increasing if people don't eventually find jobs. 3% = full employment, always 3% moving around. FUR is very meaningful.

Show me the numbers where the workers who's benefits ran out got jobs.
Oh, they probably got one of the 1000's of jobs that were last in the last few years.
Do you suppose they took up some imaginary jobs that they created in their minds?
The 5.4% remains constant because new people are entering the unemployment system at a staggering rate.
Sustained high unemployment figures show that the country is in a world of shyt. A constant loss of available pooled jobs plus an unprecedented number of college graduates equals a hell of a mess.
Do you suppose all the college graduates that don't find jobs are reflected in the Unemployment numbers?

you must have some dumb friends/went to shtty college all my friends have jobs or are in law/med school.

lol, now that you've run out of logic to spew up you fallback to personal jabs.


nice :thumbsup:

i resorted to personal stories bc shilala doesn't bring economic facts to the table but own opinion. but seriously you unemployed morons need to get off ATOT and look for a job. I have headhunters calling me 3 times a day trying to recruit...maybe I should have them call you and get a referral bonus. Oh wait, you went to DeVry...