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SRT4's are quick!

AMCRambler

AMCRambler

Diamond Member
From a rolling start in 2nd gear doing about 30 up to about 70 in 3rd the little silver speed machine stuck right with the GTO. I might have pulled him a little, but still I'm impressed. Makes me think I should have saved 5 grand and bought one of those, lol.

We talked at the next stop light and I should have asked him if it was stock. Then he went in front of me and I did the keeping up. He was going too quick in between bursts though. Maintaining 60 in a 45 is asking for a ticket so I watched him go. I try and stick to 5 over at the most so that I'm not the fastest one and people are passing me.

I know, I know. Street racing is bad mmmkay? We weren't really racing though. More like just testing the performace of each others car. Will have to see if there's any videos of an SRT4 vs a GTO on YouTube when I get home. Who knows, maybe I just can't drive for crap.
 
Originally posted by: lurk3r
Yep you could have saved 5 grand, but then you'd be in a Neon.
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True true. I guess they got pretty crappy interiors on them from what I've heard. My previous car was a Ford Contour SVT and while it had the leather seats and leather wrapped steering wheel, the rest of the interior was straight crap. By comparison the GTO's interior is like a friggin' Lexus.
 
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Do you like manual roll-down rear windows?

😛
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Hehe, not particularly. My 1966 Rambler Classic has them though so I got used to leaning into the back seat to roll them down when that was my daily driver in college.
 
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
My previous car was a Ford Contour SVT and while it had the leather seats and leather wrapped steering wheel, the rest of the interior was straight crap.
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I also had a SVT Contour for 8 years and really liked it (as far as driving goes) but the interior did not impress! Sure wouldn't play with it against a STR4 though. I hear that with a few mods those chit cans are REALLY quick.
 
I have heard of guys swapping the 3.0L Duratec short block into their SVT Contour. Supposedly this is a gain of about 30HP (flywheel). I have seen a few turbo SVT Contours pushing 300FWHP which is impressive. I think the torque steer would be tough to handle though.
 
Yeah I definitely liked my Contour too. If I had money to burn I'd keep it and fix everything it needs right now and then start adding power mods like a turbo, exhaust, headers, etc. It needs a bunch of parts though.

1. Since I took it to get the gas tank straps replaced, the e-brake is now sticking. Hopefully this hasn't warped the rear rotors which are pretty much new. I put those on about 5,000 miles ago.
2. The fuel gauge has been off on it for quite a while and has slowly been getting more in-accurate (fuel sending unit I guess?).
3. Tuesday it started having a starting problem after sitting all day in the lot at work. It was pouring rain so it could have been moisture in the coil pack or in the plug wires.
4. It's got 106,000 on the clock so it could really use some new struts all around.
5. There's a clunk in the front suspension somewhere when I go over un even pavement. Replaced the endlinks, control arms, ball joints and it's still there. May be a bushing between the engine subframe and the main chassis, or it could be a tie rod end or center link tie rod.
6. I think water has been getting inside the drivers door. The bottom of the door panel on the inside is starting to show some rust so there's probably a drain plugged some where.
7. Weather stripping seals on the doors are all torn up. The buggers doors used to freeze shut in the winter time and I would have to get to work so I'd have to yank them open which shredded the weather stripping. Oil, silicone, nothing seemed to help that so I just dealt with it.
8. Needs new tires because the existing ones are all worn out on the inside due to uneven tread wear from the shot ball joints.
9. Sweats oil from somewhere around the timing cover on the right side of the engine. Usually ends up covering the pan and lower right portion of the motor. Not even worth fixing as it's not significant enough to even drip on the ground. I think I'd have to pull the motor to get the pullies and timing covers off.

Bah and thats just the stuff I know about. I'm gonna fix what needs to be fixed to get the car driveable and safe and then sell it. I just don't have the time or desire to throw at getting it back into good shape.
 
I had a SRT4 Neon kick my GTO's ass on the freeway a while back, too. I simply couldn't pass him...

But yeah, it's still a Neon, no matter how fast it is.
 
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
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:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
 
I took down a modded SRT4 locally when I had my E39 M5, but it was fairly close during the 0-40 run. I saw a great 3-way race between a Z06, SRT4, and a CTR2 with mods, and it was like watching the quick, quicker, and the blur.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
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:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
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Yeah I think that's it. Off the line the goat has the toque advantage and no turbo lag so it's no contest. From a roll though it's definitely a close match. I'm wondering how the top end is on the Neon though. Say from highway speed if you went to pass one and got on it in the GTO would it walk the SRT?
From what I've been able to tell so far the GTO pulls pretty hard at all speeds. One of the things that I really like about it. The Contour used to run out of balls at 70-75 in terms of acceleration. Felt like I was driving a grandma car when I put my foot down at that speed. The GTO still pushes you back in the seat pretty hard even in 5th at that speed.
 
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
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:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
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Yeah I think that's it. Off the line the goat has the toque advantage and no turbo lag so it's no contest. From a roll though it's definitely a close match. I'm wondering how the top end is on the Neon though. Say from highway speed if you went to pass one and got on it in the GTO would it walk the SRT?
From what I've been able to tell so far the GTO pulls pretty hard at all speeds. One of the things that I really like about it. The Contour used to run out of balls at 70-75 in terms of acceleration. Felt like I was driving a grandma car when I put my foot down at that speed. The GTO still pushes you back in the seat pretty hard even in 5th at that speed.
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If it's anything like my experience, the SRT4 is strongest at 5-60, and falls pretty dramatically from there. By the time I hit ~140, the SRT was buslengths behind me.
 
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
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:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
Click to expand...

Yeah I think that's it. Off the line the goat has the toque advantage and no turbo lag so it's no contest. From a roll though it's definitely a close match. I'm wondering how the top end is on the Neon though. Say from highway speed if you went to pass one and got on it in the GTO would it walk the SRT?
From what I've been able to tell so far the GTO pulls pretty hard at all speeds. One of the things that I really like about it. The Contour used to run out of balls at 70-75 in terms of acceleration. Felt like I was driving a grandma car when I put my foot down at that speed. The GTO still pushes you back in the seat pretty hard even in 5th at that speed.
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I'm not sure how it would play out at speed, probably over 115mph or so, the Neon would run out of gears and you would start running away.



 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
Click to expand...

:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
Click to expand...

Yeah I think that's it. Off the line the goat has the toque advantage and no turbo lag so it's no contest. From a roll though it's definitely a close match. I'm wondering how the top end is on the Neon though. Say from highway speed if you went to pass one and got on it in the GTO would it walk the SRT?
From what I've been able to tell so far the GTO pulls pretty hard at all speeds. One of the things that I really like about it. The Contour used to run out of balls at 70-75 in terms of acceleration. Felt like I was driving a grandma car when I put my foot down at that speed. The GTO still pushes you back in the seat pretty hard even in 5th at that speed.
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If it's anything like my experience, the SRT4 is strongest at 5-60, and falls pretty dramatically from there. By the time I hit ~140, the SRT was buslengths behind me.
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Haha, a buck forty. Jeeeesus. That is faaaaaast.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Haha, a buck forty. Jeeeesus. That is faaaaaast.
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This was my exact car : http://youtube.com/watch?v=cgbfu8uta7w

Your badass goat should be right there with it. Jumping to 140 in that thing (or even 154 or so once) was absolutely a breeze.
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That's what scares me with this car. It's pretty effortless to hit 100. I'll have to find a nice long straight stretch of interstate to go faster than that. Maybe I'll just take it to the track instead.

Anybody ever take their car to the drag strip? I'm just curious about what I would need to do it. I'm pretty sure I've read they require you to wear a helmet. And if you go faster than 13 seconds you need a roll cage too maybe. Probably cost a good chunk of change too.

The other thing I'd like to do is go to a track day and a race track. I've heard they do open track days at Lime Rock in Connecticut which isn't too far from here. That would be a blast.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
Click to expand...

:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
Click to expand...

i have no experience in either car, but just looking at the stock power levels: neon has about 240hp or so, they will not pull a stock AP2 S2000, that I have seen. So if the neon is putting about 220hp to the wheels, the 5.7 GTO is putting down about 300whp, the 6.0 I have seen as high as 350whp. I'm not seeing where the neon is keeping up, especially on a roll.
 
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
Click to expand...

:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
Click to expand...

i have no experience in either car, but just looking at the stock power levels: neon has about 240hp or so, they will not pull a stock AP2 S2000, that I have seen. So if the neon is putting about 220hp to the wheels, the 5.7 GTO is putting down about 300whp, the 6.0 I have seen as high as 350whp. I'm not seeing where the neon is keeping up, especially on a roll.
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Sounds crazy doesn't it? Yeah there's no way the stock SRT-4 will ever pull on a GTO, but it can be close on rolls under 60. When I raced one (not sure if it was stock) with my M5, he was able to stay within a couple car lengths from launch to about 50 or so, and then it was dominance from there on out.
 
2005 Pontiac GTO, 6.0L V8, 400 HP (flywheel), 340 RWHP (15% drive-train loss), 3,725 lbs. Horsepower to weight ratio of 1:11.

2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4, 2.4L I4 Turbo, 220 HP (flywheel), 187 FWHP (15% drive-train loss), 2,900 lbs. Horsepower to weight ratio of 1:15.5.

Just judging by the numbers the SRT-4 might be able to "keep up" for a period of time, but not over take or even close the distance. As was stated before the SRT-4 is going to run out of gear/RPM much sooner than the GTO and at that point the GTO would be able to put significant distance on the SRT-4.

I have not driven the GTO but I have driven the SRT-4. The car seemed to run out of steam around 4,500 RPM and there was no torque after 3,000 RPM. It's still a great car IMO but not in the same league as a GTO (nor was it ever meant to be in any way/shape/form).
 
Originally posted by: LS8
2005 Pontiac GTO, 6.0L V8, 400 HP (flywheel), 340 RWHP (15% drive-train loss), 3,725 lbs. Horsepower to weight ratio of 1:11.

2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4, 2.4L I4 Turbo, 220 HP (flywheel), 187 FWHP (15% drive-train loss), 2,900 lbs. Horsepower to weight ratio of 1:15.5.

Just judging by the numbers the SRT-4 might be able to "keep up" for a period of time, but not over take or even close the distance. As was stated before the SRT-4 is going to run out of gear/RPM much sooner than the GTO and at that point the GTO would be able to put significant distance on the SRT-4.

I have not driven the GTO but I have driven the SRT-4. The car seemed to run out of steam around 4,500 RPM and there was no torque after 3,000 RPM. It's still a great car IMO but not in the same league as a GTO (nor was it ever meant to be in any way/shape/form).
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The SRT4 is heavily underrated. Actual power figures are at 215-225whp and 220-240wtq. FWD also has less drivetrain loss, but all that shouldn't change the outcome.
 
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hmm, if it was stock.....i feel bad for your poor driving skills, or lack of 😀
Click to expand...

:thumbsdown:

From a roll a Stock SRT4 will give a GTO a run for it's money no problem, has nothing to do with the driver.
Click to expand...

i have no experience in either car, but just looking at the stock power levels: neon has about 240hp or so, they will not pull a stock AP2 S2000, that I have seen. So if the neon is putting about 220hp to the wheels, the 5.7 GTO is putting down about 300whp, the 6.0 I have seen as high as 350whp. I'm not seeing where the neon is keeping up, especially on a roll.
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There's a big weight difference though and the SRT4 puts down crappy 1/4's due to launch issues. So from a roll the GTO is surrendering it's advantage, not as bad as an AWD car, but there's a diff.

 
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