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Squatters?

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WelshBloke said:
You have to say why you want one though (prove need), and prove that you can and will keep it secured.

Its not that hard to get a licence though.
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It's really not, I've got one, and I just said I like to go clay pigeon shooting on occasion, she said where I told her a club about 45 minutes away... Done.
 
HAL9000 said:
It's really not, I've got one, and I just said I like to go clay pigeon shooting on occasion, she said where I told her a club about 45 minutes away... Done.
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I was going to get one for ducks and pheasants but as everyone else round here already does that its cheaper to buy the birds down the pub than buy the gun and ammo. 🙂
 
the funny think about us Americans saying that guns will cure your squatter problem is that us americuns don't seem to understand the issue.

--do you carry this shotgun around with you? do you guys really think that squatters come up to your door while you're at home, and kick you out?

lol.

so, really, the only thing a shotgun will do for you is allow the squatters to arm themselves and defend your house from you.

😀
 
zinfamous said:
the funny think about us Americans saying that guns will cure your squatter problem is that us americuns don't seem to understand the issue.

--do you carry this shotgun around with you? do you guys really think that squatters come up to your door while you're at home, and kick you out?

lol.

so, really, the only thing a shotgun will do for you is allow the squatters to arm themselves and defend your house from you.

😀
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Yup.

Although there is a key to my gun safe on my keys.
 
zinfamous said:
the funny think about us Americans saying that guns will cure your squatter problem is that us americuns don't seem to understand the issue.

--do you carry this shotgun around with you? do you guys really think that squatters come up to your door while you're at home, and kick you out?

lol.

so, really, the only thing a shotgun will do for you is allow the squatters to arm themselves and defend your house from you.

😀
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That's why you use a handgun, you can conveniently carry it with you and keep a couple spare mags in your vehicle in case the need arises.
 
Puddle Jumper said:
That's why you use a handgun, you can conveniently carry it with you and keep a couple spare mags in your vehicle in case the need arises.
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It wouldn't matter anyway. You couldn't shoot the squatters because, as far as the law is concerned, it's their residence once they move in and change the locks. Assuming the UK even had castle laws, that would give them the right to shoot *you* for trying to get your property back. It's kind of ass backwards, but that's the way it is from what I understand. Your only legal recourse is through the courts.
 
frostedflakes said:
It wouldn't matter anyway. You couldn't shoot the squatters because, as far as the law is concerned, it's their residence once they move in and change the locks. Assuming the UK even had castle laws, that would give them the right to shoot *you* for trying to get your property back. It's kind of ass backwards, but that's the way it is from what I understand. Your only legal recourse is through the courts.
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True.

Also what is Castle Law in this context?

Plus you can't own guns over here, definitely not pistols.
 
Mark R said:
The law permits anyone, who gains 'peaceful' access to a building that is not being used to claim it as their home, and as such, have the right not to be 'harassed'. So, if a house used to be rented, and the tenants moved out, and new tenants haven't moved in - then if someone can get in peacefully (i.e. through an unlocked door or window), they can set up home there.

Breaking in, or bypassing (e.g. picking) a lock is a crime (breaking and entering) - and if someone breaks in, then they forfeit any right to take up residence as a squatter. However, breaking in can be difficult to prove, if the method of bypassing a lock leaves no obvious damage (or if the damage can be easily repaired).

Any kind of harassment (e.g. turning off utilities, attempting to break in, leaving a security alarm in the building sounding, etc.) is taken seriously by the police and will usually end up with the harasser arrested.

Getting the squatters removed can take several months, and will require a court to order the squatters to leave. If they don't leave, then another court order is required to get bailiffs to remove them.

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The law doesn't allow someone to just set up home in a building that is actually being used as a home (e.g. someone who goes off on vacation), or is about to be used as a home (e.g. a rental agreement has been signed and the tenant is due to move in on a specified date). Technically, the legal occupier (or soon to be occupier) can forcibly remove the squatters.

In practice, the police refuse to enforce this particular law without a court order, so it can be 1-2 weeks before removal can take place.
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Wow that is so much fail, infinite face palms could not even describe it.

Just because you don't think it's being used doesn't mean that it is not being used or abandoned. Maybe People should put up signs on their doors and windows telling these fucking scum that their house is being used so don't fucking enter. Leave a cot in there, and there you go.

Take a picture of the locks and windows ahead time so they can't claim the locks weren't there or were already broken. Breaking in is easy to prove if you actually have locks on the door, if they don't function then you obviously say they broke them. Hell hire some soccer holigans to go fucking break some windows/locks at the house if you want to prove they broke in. Game the system to your advantage because obviously the law is a game in England.

Their ideas of harassement border on insanity. Residents of the house should pay utilities, not the owner. If they don't want to pay, then the owner has the right to turn them off. You can't break into your own home if you have the key. If I have the key to the door, I can rightfully enter. If the key not longer works, they obviously broke in and changed the locks and broke the law. The security alarm is intended to keep them out. If they set off the alarm, they obviously broke into the house and therefore have no right as the owners are asserting their right to limit its occuption to people who do not set off the alarm. The police just don't want to do their jobs, but that's no surprise in England.
 
mcmilljb said:
Wow that is so much fail, infinite face palms could not even describe it.

Just because you don't think it's being used doesn't mean that it is not being used or abandoned. Maybe People should put up signs on their doors and windows telling these fucking scum that their house is being used so don't fucking enter. Leave a cot in there, and there you go.

Take a picture of the locks and windows ahead time so they can't claim the locks weren't there or were already broken. Breaking in is easy to prove if you actually have locks on the door, if they don't function then you obviously say they broke them. Hell hire some soccer holigans to go fucking break some windows/locks at the house if you want to prove they broke in. Game the system to your advantage because obviously the law is a game in England.

Their ideas of harassement border on insanity. Residents of the house should pay utilities, not the owner. If they don't want to pay, then the owner has the right to turn them off. You can't break into your own home if you have the key. If I have the key to the door, I can rightfully enter. If the key not longer works, they obviously broke in and changed the locks and broke the law. The security alarm is intended to keep them out. If they set off the alarm, they obviously broke into the house and therefore have no right as the owners are asserting their right to limit its occuption to people who do not set off the alarm. The police just don't want to do their jobs, but that's no surprise in England.
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I agree with everything except the last part. Police do a great job over here. In America the police don't have to protect you at all.

http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-police-arent-legally-obligated-to-protect-you/
 
HAL9000 said:
I agree with everything except the last part. Police do a great job over here. In America the police don't have to protect you at all.

http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-police-arent-legally-obligated-to-protect-you/
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Well when dead bodies start showing up, the people are going to demand the police do something. They will be removing the squatters for their own safety. I have no doubt people are going to start hiring people to remove these people, and they're going to remove them from the gene pool at the same time. They will lure them out by asking them to meet some where (using the same methods the squatters do to communicate). Take them to the "new place" and then eliminate the problem permanently. That's exactly how those people with money are going to do it. I promise you, it will happen if they keep up these shenanigans.
 
mcmilljb said:
Well when dead bodies start showing up, the people are going to demand the police do something. They will be removing the squatters for their own safety. I have no doubt people are to start hiring people to remove these people, and they're going to remove them from the gene pool at the same time. They will lure them out by asking them to meet some where (using the same methods the squatters do communicate). Take them to your "new place" and then eliminate the problem permanently. That's exactly how those people with money are going to do it. I promise you, it will happen if they keep up these shenanigans.
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True.

But that's mob rule. Not a good thing.
 
mcmilljb said:
So is letting people steal property because they WANT to call it home. It's not your shit, quit stealing. Yay for generation Y'ers in England, setting the bar high.
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I agree. I think that squatters right is retarded (except for abandoned office buildings) but killing everyone who pisses you off or commits a crime in front of you is not the answers.

WTF does this mean?
 
I assume trespassing is still illegal in the UK. It seems that it's more to do with the unwillingness of the police to evict them. Laws are only good if they're enforced.

There's a case here in Canada where native squatters have been occupying a housing construction site for several years now. The police won't remove them because they don't want to incite a riot or raise racial tensions. I think it's probably the same case in the UK. The cops know evictions will turn violent so they don't do anything.

It's a sickening collapse of the rule of law if you ask me. These anarchists get away with bloody murder. If a cop touches them, then it's the cop who's the bad guy. Doesn't matter who threw the first Molotov.
 
mcmilljb said:
Rich people are above the law, remember? They do what they want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y
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OH. :hmm: :\

mmntech said:
I assume trespassing is still illegal in the UK. It seems that it's more to do with the unwillingness of the police to evict them. Laws are only good if they're enforced.

There's a case here in Canada where native squatters have been occupying a housing construction site for several years now. The police won't remove them because they don't want to incite a riot or raise racial tensions. I think it's probably the same case in the UK. The cops know evictions will turn violent so they don't do anything.

It's a sickening collapse of the rule of law if you ask me. These anarchists get away with bloody murder. If a cop touches them, then it's the cop who's the bad guy. Doesn't matter who threw the first Molotov.
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It's not just that, it's because they have the legal right to be there here.
 
mcmilljb said:
Take a picture of the locks and windows ahead time so they can't claim the locks weren't there or were already broken. Breaking in is easy to prove if you actually have locks on the door, if they don't function then you obviously say they broke them. Hell hire some soccer holigans to go fucking break some windows/locks at the house if you want to prove they broke in. Game the system to your advantage because obviously the law is a game in England.
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This doesn't actually help.

The property owner has to prove that the squatters broke in. Just because the lock is missing or changed doesn't mean that the squatters did it.

If the squatters claim that the lock was already vandalised and broken, and that they moved in and replaced the lock - you will need to provide evidence to the contrary - otherwise under the principle of 'innocent until proved guilty', the squatters are going to stay.
 
Mark R said:
This doesn't actually help.

The property owner has to prove that the squatters broke in. Just because the lock is missing or changed doesn't mean that the squatters did it.

If the squatters claim that the lock was already vandalised and broken, and that they moved in and replaced the lock - you will need to provide evidence to the contrary - otherwise under the principle of 'innocent until proved guilty', the squatters are going to stay.
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I think in a lot of cases the squatters just get beaten the shit out of, and you never hear about it 😀
 
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