Spy Shots: 600HP '05 VW Phaeton R60, '04 Acura TL

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Is the Phaeton essentially the same car as the new Audi A8?? They look the same...

I think VW built a spearete facility for the Phaeteon.

 

[Saltin]

This is why Toyota and Honda are leaders. Sure their interiors don't look special (apart from the new Accord), but they are built together damn well. I'll give an example, my family owns a 99 Camry LE. While it has a pretty boring interior, its bolted down really well. Before VW designs these awesome interiors, they should work on making a flawless car.

Riiiight.... because we all know honda and toyota are flawless cars.... heh.

Honda's and Toyota's are popular b/c they are no nonsense, point A to point B commuter cars. They deliver good value.

They don't have the road manners of a German Car.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Saltin

This is why Toyota and Honda are leaders. Sure their interiors don't look special (apart from the new Accord), but they are built together damn well. I'll give an example, my family owns a 99 Camry LE. While it has a pretty boring interior, its bolted down really well. Before VW designs these awesome interiors, they should work on making a flawless car.

Riiiight.... because we all know honda and toyota are flawless cars.... heh.

Honda's and Toyota's are popular b/c they are no nonsense, point A to point B commuter cars. They deliver good value.

They don't have the road manners of a German Car.

They also don't sit in the service bays all the time for stupid stuff like VW's either.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Saltin

This is why Toyota and Honda are leaders. Sure their interiors don't look special (apart from the new Accord), but they are built together damn well. I'll give an example, my family owns a 99 Camry LE. While it has a pretty boring interior, its bolted down really well. Before VW designs these awesome interiors, they should work on making a flawless car.

Riiiight.... because we all know honda and toyota are flawless cars.... heh.

Honda's and Toyota's are popular b/c they are no nonsense, point A to point B commuter cars. They deliver good value.

They don't have the road manners of a German Car.

In terms of reliability, they are flawless. Just put in gas and go. And do the oil changes on time.

Define road manners of a German car (well VW in this case -- not the expensive BMW/Benz)?? A Passat or Jetta aren't exactly caynon carvers you know. And a lot of people have said that the new Accord is more German than German cars such as the Passat/Jetta.

 

[KokomoGST]

Well, back to topic sorta... the TL spy shot makes it look like a very minor revision of the looks... I can sense they're going to add a big fat gaudy chrome grill to the front end.

Also, the Phaeton R60 doesn't need to tell big volume, but I do hear the contention that I'd prolly buy an S8 (or RS8 if they make them) over the Phaeton. In fact, if they expect someone to buy a VW over an AMG Benz or Msport BMW, they've got a lot of mindshare to change...

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Saltin

This is why Toyota and Honda are leaders. Sure their interiors don't look special (apart from the new Accord), but they are built together damn well. I'll give an example, my family owns a 99 Camry LE. While it has a pretty boring interior, its bolted down really well. Before VW designs these awesome interiors, they should work on making a flawless car.

Riiiight.... because we all know honda and toyota are flawless cars.... heh.

Honda's and Toyota's are popular b/c they are no nonsense, point A to point B commuter cars. They deliver good value.

They don't have the road manners of a German Car.

They also don't sit in the service bays all the time for stupid stuff like VW's either.

 

[Shantanu]

Volkswagen/Audis are the perfect example of style over substance. In perceived quality, they rate high because they have nice interiors, and - at least superficially - seem to be well put together.

In actual quality, they're cr@p. They score low in reliability ratings from Consumer Reports and JD Powers.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: ElFenix
looks like a passat with a body kit

LoL look again, and if you still think it's like a passat, look at the pictures at VwVortex.

the first one still looks like a passat with a body kit. oh, the C pillar is different but thats about all there is.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Shantanu
$150K? Looks like Volkswagen hasn't learned from past punishment. It'll be a mega flop just like the original Phaeton.

How is the Phaeton a flop? Do you know the European sales numbers? Just because it isn't sold in the US, doesn't mean it's a flop.

He may have meant the W8 Passat. Now that was a flop.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Saltin
That's the difference between consumer perception and reality.

VW doesnt make economy cars anymore. They havent for some time. VW is of much higher quality, fit, finish and overall road manners than the average economy car, especially American economy cars.

Go to the dealership and have a seat in a new Passat GLX or a well optioned Jetta. The last thing you'll think of is economy.

not everyone can afford a $24,000 compact car. a lot easier to get better materials, fit, and finish in a $24,000 compact car than a $10,000 compact car as well.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Is the Phaeton essentially the same car as the new Audi A8?? They look the same...

nothing in common. which is part of why no one can figure out WTF VAG is doing.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Volkswagen/Audis are the perfect example of style over substance. In perceived quality, they rate high because they have nice interiors, and - at least superficially - seem to be well put together.

In actual quality, they're cr@p. They score low in reliability ratings from Consumer Reports and JD Powers.

Just as an aside, but Lutz is focussing on perceived quality, especially in teh interior. He's stated this in numerous interviews.

 

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: aphex
Jesus H Christ that Phaeton is beautiful...

Without the mods? Yes it is.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
VW still has low quality, half of its cars are on the "cars to avoid" list by consumer reports

Meanwhile the Passat V6 is tied with the Accord for Top Family Sedan of the year from Consumer Reports as well....

LINK

HAHAH PWNED!!!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
VW still has low quality, half of its cars are on the "cars to avoid" list by consumer reports

Meanwhile the Passat V6 is tied with the Accord for Top Family Sedan of the year from Consumer Reports as well....

LINK

thats the same magazine that says bose is the best speaker company evar.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Volkswagen/Audis are the perfect example of style over substance. In perceived quality, they rate high because they have nice interiors, and - at least superficially - seem to be well put together.

In actual quality, they're cr@p. They score low in reliability ratings from Consumer Reports and JD Powers.

Just as an aside, but Lutz is focussing on perceived quality, especially in teh interior. He's stated this in numerous interviews.

Well I guess VW and GM will go hand in hand then.....perceived quality and both built by mexicans.... 🙁
Then again this Phaeton is built in Germany right? Those would have much higher build quality.

Also didn't VW's 1.8T or VR6 get engine awards from Consumer Reports or someone?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
VW still has low quality, half of its cars are on the "cars to avoid" list by consumer reports

Meanwhile the Passat V6 is tied with the Accord for Top Family Sedan of the year from Consumer Reports as well....

LINK

thats the same magazine that says bose is the best speaker company evar.

Hehe, owned 😀

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
VW still has low quality, half of its cars are on the "cars to avoid" list by consumer reports

Meanwhile the Passat V6 is tied with the Accord for Top Family Sedan of the year from Consumer Reports as well....

LINK

thats the same magazine that says bose is the best speaker company evar.

I was simply pointing out the fact that the same source that apparently says VW's should be avoided, also says one of them is the best car of the year.

No ownage was involved at all NFS4 🙂

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: aphex
I was simply pointing out the fact that the same source that apparently says VW's should be avoided, also says one of them is the best car of the year.

they're not mutually exclusive.