*SPOILER* I so totally understood what happened and why in Matrix: Revolutions *SPOILER*

[SunnyD]

I will make it as obvious as possible...

It was foretold verbatim in Matrix: Reloaded - In Neo's meeting with the Architect, the purpose of The One and the matrix itself was described to Neo. Neo was the anomoly designed to balance the equasion of the imperfect world, and at the end and to save Zion and the matrix Neo would return to the matrix and disseminate his information for the next matrix, and be allowed to rebuild Zion.

Neo did exactly this, as was his purpose. He did return to the matrix, he did save Zion, and he did save the matrix itself, just as was described of his purpose by the Architect. However, there was a twist in Revolutions pointed out at the end by the Oracle - she changed the rules a bit to accomplish something else, the freedom of some of the captive programs and people that didn't want to be there.

It is obvious that the cycle will continue in some form, or at least the matrix will, by the statements at the end. The little girl asks if they would see Neo again, to with the Oracle alludes to a yes -- sometime in the future. I prelude to the next matrix cycle happening as it had in the past.

My only questions I need to ask however, is what was the "angelic" visage (Neo's view) we saw at the end as Neo was being carted away by the machines? Were we looking at Neo or through Neo's eyes? And if the latter, what were we looking at? I assume Neo is indeed dead, because Smith was actually Neo, and to kill Smith Neo himself had to die. So it looked like Neo was an angel.

Oh well, decent movie, but I don't see any setup for anymore sequels as people have alluded to.

 

[Brymo]

so the little girl is the new Oracle?

kinda what i got from it...

 

[z0mb13]

hmm why do u have to create another thread??

 

[marketsons1985]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
I assume Neo is indeed dead, because Smith was actually Neo, and to kill Smith Neo himself had to die.

True in what the oracle said, but not exactly true.

Neo is the anomaly in the matrix, the unbalanced part of the equation.

Smith is there to balance him. His opposite

With Neo "dying" or rather, smith fusing himself/taking over neo's body, the unbalanced part was suddenly balanced, restoring to the matrix that which was taken away when it was unbalanced.

My question is:

Both the girl and the Oracle were shown still in the Matrix in the end, yet they both had been taken over by Smith. Couldn't it also be inferred that perhaps somehow Neo survived the process just as they both did?

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Oh well, decent movie, but I don't see any setup for anymore sequels as people have alluded to.

Joel Silver, the Producer, said there won't be any Matrix movies. Only comics and anime.


Ya right! Wait till the studio comes knocking at the door. IT'S A FRANCHISE Y'ALL. Many movies to come IMHO, despite what that money grubbing Silver says.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

True in what the oracle said, but not exactly true.

Neo is the anomaly in the matrix, the unbalanced part of the equation.

Smith is there to balance him. His opposite

With Neo "dying" or rather, smith fusing himself/taking over neo's body, the unbalanced part was suddenly balanced, restoring to the matrix that which was taken away when it was unbalanced.

My question is:

Both the girl and the Oracle were shown still in the Matrix in the end, yet they both had been taken over by Smith. Couldn't it also be inferred that perhaps somehow Neo survived the process just as they both did?

Yes and no, Smith is the balance to Neo. But Neo himself was the balance to the imperfect matrix (reference Reloaded - Architect scene). Neo allowed Smith to win so that Smith could understand choice, and why Neo sacrificed himself. The machines also understood Neo's choice, which is why Neo was jacked in in the machine world. Once Neo was absorbed by Smith, this allowed the machines to kill Neo in the physical world - the mind can't live without the body and vice versa. This killed Neo/Smith in the Matrix. And once Neo died - All things have a beginning and an end, and without Neo, Smith had no purpose, hence his program too terminated.

I can't answer your second question though. I am not certain as to how everyone survived being Smith when Smith terminated, and I too can only assume that somehow Neo would have survived as well if that were the case. However, again, I assume that Neo's body had been killed in order to destroy Smith. So where does that leave Neo's consciousness.

Anyway, it's almost moot.

Oh, and...

Originally posted byz0mb13:

hmm why do u have to create another thread??

Because I felt like it.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Yes and no, Smith is the balance to Neo. But Neo himself was the balance to the imperfect matrix (reference Reloaded - Architect scene). Neo allowed Smith to win so that Smith could understand choice, and why Neo sacrificed himself. The machines also understood Neo's choice, which is why Neo was jacked in in the machine world. Once Neo was absorbed by Smith, this allowed the machines to kill Neo in the physical world - the mind can't live without the body and vice versa. This killed Neo/Smith in the Matrix. And once Neo died - All things have a beginning and an end, and without Neo, Smith had no purpose, hence his program too terminated.

I can't answer your second question though. I am not certain as to how everyone survived being Smith when Smith terminated, and I too can only assume that somehow Neo would have survived as well if that were the case. However, again, I assume that Neo's body had been killed in order to destroy Smith. So where does that leave Neo's consciousness.

see thats where i dont agree. smith's purpose was to destroy all of humanity...not just to destroy neo. here's what i think happened. when smith took over neo, neo's mind was "overwritten". but smith was now connected to the matrix thru neo's body. remember, smith had disconnected himself from the matrix in the 2nd one...hence the lack of the earphone...just like in the first one when he took off his earphone in the morpheus/humans as virii scene, he was disconnected from the matrix and the other agents could not communicate to him and smith was not aware of what was goin on in the lobby. but in the end of M3, smith got connected to the matrix thru neo's body and once he was connected, the machines could delete his program and restore the matrix to normality. thats why they cut to neo's body in the machine world right after smith infected him in the matrix.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
hmm why do u have to create another thread??

Likely because the other threads are polluted with "this movie sucks" posts.

 

[Ness]

if you read the other thread, you would have a better explaination of smith's death. See, once he had taken over everyone, he no longer had a purpose. As the man in the train station at the begining says, programs without a purpose are deleted, which is why he's taking his daughter to the Matrix to give her a purpose. If Smith was not deleted because he no longer had a purpose, then the entire opening scene in the station would be nearly useless. This is all backed up by the fact that the orcacle willingly let Smith overtake her. She was all knowing. She knew what had to be done to defeat Smith, and she knew that if she never let him overtake her, Smith would never die.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: ness1469
if you read the other thread, you would have a better explaination of smith's death. See, once he had taken over everyone, he no longer had a purpose. As the man in the train station at the begining says, programs without a purpose are deleted, which is why he's taking his daughter to the Matrix to give her a purpose. If Smith was not deleted because he no longer had a purpose, then the entire opening scene in the station would be nearly useless. This is all backed up by the fact that the orcacle willingly let Smith overtake her. She was all knowing. She knew what had to be done to defeat Smith, and she knew that if she never let him overtake her, Smith would never die.

Didn't I just say that?

 

[Murphyrulez]

I think so. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Yes and no, Smith is the balance to Neo. But Neo himself was the balance to the imperfect matrix (reference Reloaded - Architect scene). Neo allowed Smith to win so that Smith could understand choice, and why Neo sacrificed himself. The machines also understood Neo's choice, which is why Neo was jacked in in the machine world. Once Neo was absorbed by Smith, this allowed the machines to kill Neo in the physical world - the mind can't live without the body and vice versa. This killed Neo/Smith in the Matrix. And once Neo died - All things have a beginning and an end, and without Neo, Smith had no purpose, hence his program too terminated.

I can't answer your second question though. I am not certain as to how everyone survived being Smith when Smith terminated, and I too can only assume that somehow Neo would have survived as well if that were the case. However, again, I assume that Neo's body had been killed in order to destroy Smith. So where does that leave Neo's consciousness.

see thats where i dont agree. smith's purpose was to destroy all of humanity...not just to destroy neo. here's what i think happened. when smith took over neo, neo's mind was "overwritten". but smith was now connected to the matrix thru neo's body. remember, smith had disconnected himself from the matrix in the 2nd one...hence the lack of the earphone...just like in the first one when he took off his earphone in the morpheus/humans as virii scene, he was disconnected from the matrix and the other agents could not communicate to him and smith was not aware of what was goin on in the lobby. but in the end of M3, smith got connected to the matrix thru neo's body and once he was connected, the machines could delete his program and restore the matrix to normality. thats why they cut to neo's body in the machine world right after smith infected him in the matrix.

smith wanted everything not just to kill al the humans, and neo balanced him out not hard to understand, i dont think the machines deleted smith at all.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Glitchny
smith wanted everything not just to kill al the humans, and neo balanced him out not hard to understand, i dont think the machines deleted smith at all.

In a sense, Smith got what he wanted - everything. In that respect, Smith's purpose was fufilled when he finally absorbed Neo, meaning that his program had finished, or terminated so to speak (he wasn't needed anymore).

 

[mmx]

I saw the movie, while i loved it, because hey its matrix.

I just have to say revolutions = NO RESOLUTION

what is that. Cmon so it ends and the matrix is reloaded? what kind of ending is that?

So what is the point of the whole movies. If the program just loops itself, then there is no choice. everything is set. everything will end as programmed, but maybe how they achieve the ending might be different.


What happens to NEO now. wasn't the mervi... guy one of the first Neo's? even though neo died, maybe he will become a program now.

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: mmx
I saw the movie, while i loved it, because hey its matrix.

I just have to say revolutions = NO RESOLUTION

what is that. Cmon so it ends and the matrix is reloaded? what kind of ending is that?

So what is the point of the whole movies. If the program just loops itself, then there is no choice. everything is set. everything will end as programmed, but maybe how they achieve the ending might be different.


What happens to NEO now. wasn't the mervi... guy one of the first Neo's? even though neo died, maybe he will become a program now.

Hmmm...that is quite interesting you brought that up....

 

[mmx]

as i said before i love the matrix. However i was thinking that there are better ending to the matrix.

Scenario #1:

Neo wins vs Smith, and he is powerful enough to stop the machine, and turn it off, but because humans scorched the sky, and are not yet sufficient for living conditions, Neo controls the matrix, and teaches everyone what happens, but everyone still lives in the matrix until time is good to come out. That is until the sky clears out, and humans are able to restart real life.

Trinity still dies though.

And because NEo is human, there is always someone who gets the power to control the matrix, until the day the matrix will be terminated.

How did youy like it?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: mmx
I saw the movie, while i loved it, because hey its matrix.

I just have to say revolutions = NO RESOLUTION

what is that. Cmon so it ends and the matrix is reloaded? what kind of ending is that?

So what is the point of the whole movies. If the program just loops itself, then there is no choice. everything is set. everything will end as programmed, but maybe how they achieve the ending might be different.


What happens to NEO now. wasn't the mervi... guy one of the first Neo's? even though neo died, maybe he will become a program now.

the merivigian is an exile just like the oricle and the lil girl at the end. hes still there just as sereph is who was also one of the "ones"

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
hmm why do u have to create another thread??

same reason u repost/bump the FFXii over and over again.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: mmx
I saw the movie, while i loved it, because hey its matrix.

I just have to say revolutions = NO RESOLUTION

what is that. Cmon so it ends and the matrix is reloaded? what kind of ending is that?

So what is the point of the whole movies. If the program just loops itself, then there is no choice. everything is set. everything will end as programmed, but maybe how they achieve the ending might be different.


What happens to NEO now. wasn't the mervi... guy one of the first Neo's? even though neo died, maybe he will become a program now.

the merivigian is an exile just like the oricle and the lil girl at the end. hes still there just as sereph is who was also one of the "ones"

How do you know Seraph and the Merovingian were once previous one's?

 

[Rage187]

At the end of the movie, you are seeing through neo's vision so to speak.(not through his eyes though, just what he would see if he was looking at it from your perspective)

He is being carted away, probally to become a program; if you notice he is the brightessed light when you are looking at his body moving away from the screen.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Brymo
so the little girl is the new Oracle?

kinda what i got from it...

the little girl is the program that makes the sun rise/set...at least that is what i got from it

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: mmx
I saw the movie, while i loved it, because hey its matrix.

I just have to say revolutions = NO RESOLUTION

what is that. Cmon so it ends and the matrix is reloaded? what kind of ending is that?

So what is the point of the whole movies. If the program just loops itself, then there is no choice. everything is set. everything will end as programmed, but maybe how they achieve the ending might be different.


What happens to NEO now. wasn't the mervi... guy one of the first Neo's? even though neo died, maybe he will become a program now.

the merivigian is an exile just like the oricle and the lil girl at the end. hes still there just as sereph is who was also one of the "ones"

How do you know Seraph and the Merovingian were once previous one's?

1) hes an exile that protects teh oracle. wwho is supposed to instrust teh "ones" when the come to do what they need to.
2) in reloaded he fights neo and says " the only way you can realy know someone is bu fighting them" he fights him evenly
3) dont know about meroving but im not alone in this thought or the one about seraph

 

[Aftermath]

I'm pretty sure the little girl just controls the sun rise and sun set, maybe the whole sun positioning thing all together, I don't know. But there's no way she's the Oracle. The Oracle can't effect anything directly, she can simply influence it to do what it should do. As stated in reloaded, there are programs that control the birds, the wind, all the little stuff, so their must be a program to control the sun. At least that's what I got from it.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Ok, here is my st@b at all of it.

1. The existence of Merovig and other "exiles" is to prove that a WHOLE civilization is being developed IN the matrix. that the entire matrix is NOT just a figment of the imagination or of a series of programs. Call it the evolution of AI or whatever.

2. The existence of Zion gives humans 2 choices for existence. they can CHOOSE to remain IN THE matrix as a valid form of existence OR they can choose to leave the matrix and live outside of it.

3. a lot of people are upset because they feel that existence inside the matrix is some kind of evil, that WASN'T the point of this series. Existence IN the matrix is a VALID alternative for existence.

4. the architect and the Oracle maintain a balance whereby they continue to allow the matrix to evolve to accomodate BOTH forms of existence.

5. the VICTORY of NEO was that finally the SOURCE and Machine world accepted the existence of Zion.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Ok, here is my st@b at all of it.

1. The existence of Merovig and other "exiles" is to prove that a WHOLE civilization is being developed IN the matrix. that the entire matrix is NOT just a figment of the imagination or of a series of programs. Call it the evolution of AI or whatever.

2. The existence of Zion gives humans 2 choices for existence. they can CHOOSE to remain IN THE matrix as a valid form of existence OR they can choose to leave the matrix and live outside of it.

3. a lot of people are upset because they feel that existence inside the matrix is some kind of evil, that WASN'T the point of this series. Existence IN the matrix is a VALID alternative for existence.

4. the architect and the Oracle maintain a balance whereby they continue to allow the matrix to evolve to accomodate BOTH forms of existence.

5. the VICTORY of NEO was that finally the SOURCE and Machine world accepted the existence of Zion.

Sounds good to me. I don't see why people are saying that Merovingi and Seriph guy's were once "The Ones." I saw no place that mentioned that.

What I DO want to know is (unless I missed it), did they ever explain how Neo could control the robots outside of the Matrix?

Oh yeah, I bet all the people saying there were like 3 levels of matrix's feel dumb.