Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

[Markfw]

Eh?

I thought that they had 56 core SKU's?

That's what I meant by relatively even, and even then only in absolute single thread or MT + AVX 512.

I'm not amping up Intel here, actually the opposite - I was meaning that when 10nm matures further that they will scale up beyond 56 to better compete, even if the TDP goes thru the (already burning) roof in the process.

No 56 cores that I am aware of, even rumors. Certainly not any real CPU's. 28 in any field is it I think. 38 rumored to come. And any rumors of 56, do you have any links ?

And I guess we should continue this in an Intel thread, as this is the Ryzen 4000 thread.

 

[soresu]

is Zen4 confirmed to go up to 32 cores / 64 threads on Ryzen line? And 128 cores / 256 threads on the TR side? And 256 cores / 512 threads on EPYC?

There are no confirmations for Zen4 as yet, beyond 5nm process node (likely N5P).

For me that means a good possibility of 2x core count, at the very least for EPYC 4, and possibly for TR5 too.

This I believe is a given as long as customers want it - AM5 max core count might be different though, so far the mainstream socket has been no less than 1/4 the EPYC/TR core count, so 32C is definitely possible whether the AMD bean counters think it worthwhile or not.

 

[soresu]

No 56 cores that I am aware of, even rumors. Certainly not any real CPU's. 28 in any field is it I think. 38 rumored to come. And any rumors of 56, do you have any links ?

And I guess we should continue this in an Intel thread, as this is the Ryzen 4000 thread.

From Extremetech. Link.

Edit: sorry about the continuing Intel part.

 

[Hitman928]

From Extremetech. Link.

Edit: sorry about the continuing Intel part.

It is technically a 56 core part but it's split between 2 CPUs under 1 heatspreader.

 

[itsmydamnation]

From Extremetech. Link.

Edit: sorry about the continuing Intel part.

Copperlake for mainstream is gone...... so for the average dell/hpe/cisco/lenvov server customer there are no 56 core intel parts

 

[Ajay]

From Extremetech. Link.

Edit: sorry about the continuing Intel part.

Not 10nm.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Expected price hm, around 800$ for 4.9ghz Singlecore Turbocore boost.

I figured prices would go up. That's what happens when you have no competition.

I thought that they had 56 core SKU's?

Cooper Lake is only available on 4-8P systems that most integrators won't even sell to you. Then there was Cascade Lake-AP, and it was the same situation there.

I think ASMedia is still supposed to come out with a high end PCIe 4 chipset that would form an x670, replacing AMD's franken-IOD gone chipset. At least that was the rumor back in December last year.

Only just now noticed this post, but if ASMedia has been handed that task, then I hope they're more-prompt about it than they were with B550 which took them an extra year to produce (apparently).

AMD's marketing is abysmal.

You don't say?

 

[soresu]

I figured prices would go up. That's what happens when you have no competition.

Not by that much though, and if rumours are on the ball the price increase is less than the IPC increase at least.

Only just now noticed this post, but if ASMedia has been handed that task, then I hope they're more-prompt about it than they were with B550 which took them an extra year to produce (apparently).

I thought that was to do with the ASMedia chipset security bug report arranged by Intel to distract from Spectre/Meltdown?

I'm not sure whether they needled ASMedia to beef up security after that snafu, but I doubt that they just blew it off.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I thought that was to do with the ASMedia chipset security bug report arranged by Intel to distract from Spectre/Meltdown?

I'm not sure whether they needled ASMedia to beef up security after that snafu, but I doubt that they just blew it off.

It may have something to do with that. Honestly I have no idea. Let us hope they do not find more reasons (legitimate or otherwise) to be delayed.

 

[lobz]

From Extremetech. Link.

Edit: sorry about the continuing Intel part.

Nope, that's not an SKU anyone can buy, it's only available in a system made by Intel and it got literally zero design wins.

It is 100% 28 vs 64 in the server space right now, and the foreseeable future holds little to no improvement from Intel's side.

 

[eek2121]

Allegedly, that is when two Vemeer parts drop (12c, 16c). We will see.

I haven’t heard anything, though it wouldn’t surprise me if they only released some of the higher end chips. AMD is having to play this ridiculous balancing game with respect to supply and demand. As Lisa Su said: 7nm supply is tight. They will likely have to dance around until the initial console run is over. That’s why I suspect we will only get upper tier Navi2X and Zen 3 chips this year. Higher end parts are lower volume and higher margin. They also deliver a psychological blow to competitors that can’t keep up.

They will probably announce other chips, but don’t expect them to ship before mid December.

 

[eek2121]

Nope, that's not an SKU anyone can buy, it's only available in a system made by Intel and it got literally zero design wins.

It is 100% 28 vs 64 in the server space right now, and the foreseeable future holds little to no improvement from Intel's side.

It is worth noting that you can get a 56 core Intel system. It is just 2 processors instead of 1.

EDIT: Newegg didn’t have the 28 core version in stock, but they did have a 24 core:

CPU: https://www.newegg.com/intel-xeon-g...000A-00EK1?item=274-000A-00EK1&quicklink=true

motherboard: https://www.newegg.com/asus-ws-c621...813119064?item=N82E16813119064&quicklink=true

EDIT #2: Here is the 28 core: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Intel-Xe...=sem&msclkid=419c4e9a4a0c16e9f1dd11aa26f128a8

 

[Thibsie]

It is worth noting that you can get a 56 core Intel system. It is just 2 processors instead of 1.

Nope, AFAIK, you actually can't. That one is dead.
28 cores it is.

 

[lobz]

It is worth noting that you can get a 56 core Intel system. It is just 2 processors instead of 1.

EDIT: Newegg didn’t have the 28 core version in stock, but they did have a 24 core:

CPU: https://www.newegg.com/intel-xeon-g...000A-00EK1?item=274-000A-00EK1&quicklink=true

motherboard: https://www.newegg.com/asus-ws-c621...813119064?item=N82E16813119064&quicklink=true

EDIT #2: Here is the 28 core: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Intel-Xeon-Gold-2nd-Gen-6258R-Octacosa-core-28-Core-2-70-GHz-Processor-OEM-Pack-38-50-MB-Cache-4-Overclocking-Speed-14-nm-Socket-3647-205-W-56-Thread/615064165?wmlspartner=wmtlabs&adid=22222222223349225381&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=s&wl2=m&wl3=74698198370892&wl4=pla-4578297736653783&wl5=&wl6=&wl7=& wl10=Walmart&wl12=615064165_10000001245&wl14=xeon gold 6258r&veh=sem&msclkid=419c4e9a4a0c16e9f1dd11aa26f128a8

Dude what are you talking about? If that is worth noting, then it's also worth noting that you can have a 128 core AMD system. I have no idea what you were trying to say with this.

 

[Markfw]

Dude what are you talking about? If that is worth noting, then it's also worth noting that you can have a 128 core AMD system. I have no idea what you were trying to say with this.

Not only that, his 24 cores@150 watt each runs @ 2.1 ghz, or 300 watt for 48 cores.. The 7V12 EPYC might be 240 watt, but its 64 cores @ 2.45 ghz. Forget turbo boost, servers are never under one core load.... And wait you can get them for less than $4k Here:

AMD EPYC Rome 7V12 64-core 2.45GHz 240W (better than 7742) | eBay

240W TDP. Usable in single- and dual-socket config. - 3.3GHz boost. - 128 PCI-e 4.0 lanes.

www.ebay.com

Edit: I just looked up the 28 core. 28 cores for 205 watt each or 410 watts for 56 cores. Oh, and $8000 for 56 core vs $3980 for 64 cores. Not to mention the motherboard price, or benchmarks where it gets killed. Why are we even talking about these garbage CPUs here ?

 

[eek2121]

Ok Mark, I don't normally call you out, but my point was market availability, not performance or power consumption. The people above claimed that you couldn't get 56 cores on an Intel system. I replied that they are wrong.

 

[Thibsie]

Ok Mark, I don't normally call you out, but my point was market availability, not performance or power consumption. The people above claimed that you couldn't get 56 cores on an Intel system. I replied that they are wrong.

Any link to such system by any OEM ?

 

[DrMrLordX]

but my point was market availability

Unless you are Facebook, you can't get Cooper Lake.

 

[Markfw]

Ok Mark, I don't normally call you out, but my point was market availability, not performance or power consumption. The people above claimed that you couldn't get 56 cores on an Intel system. I replied that they are wrong.

They were talking 56 cores on one socket, not 2.

 

[TitusTroy]

will new motherboards launch with Zen 3?...what about a new chipset (X670?)...I bought a new MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk board yesterday but I'd prefer to get the newer Zen 3 boards if they become available

 

[dr1337]

will new motherboards launch with Zen 3?...what about a new chipset (X670?)...I bought a new MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk board yesterday but I'd prefer to get the newer Zen 3 boards if they become available

If x670 exists I think the most you could expect from it is native next gen USB4/thunderbolt support. But IMO even if it came with pcie5 x570 would still be more than good enough. Unless you had some IO need like thunderbolt in which case it might be good to wait.

 

[TitusTroy]

If x670 exists I think the most you could expect from it is native next gen USB4/thunderbolt support. But IMO even if it came with pcie5 x570 would still be more than good enough. Unless you had some IO need like thunderbolt in which case it might be good to wait.

but even without a new chipset are there are rumors that point to new motherboards launching with Zen 3?...or will AMD just launch the new CPU's by themselves?...sort of like the XT chip launch

 

[dr1337]

but even without a new chipset are there are rumors that point to new motherboards launching with Zen 3?...or will AMD just launch the new CPU's by themselves?...sort of like the XT chip launch

I try to keep up to date on tech rumors, and so far not much has been said about x670, and nothing has truly confirmed it. Realistically we're not going to know until zen 3 is actually announced.

 

[TitusTroy]

I try to keep up to date on tech rumors, and so far not much has been said about x670, and nothing has truly confirmed it. Realistically we're not going to know until zen 3 is actually announced.

new X570 Zen 3 boards would be interesting...

 

[Makaveli]

If x670 exists I think the most you could expect from it is native next gen USB4/thunderbolt support. But IMO even if it came with pcie5 x570 would still be more than good enough. Unless you had some IO need like thunderbolt in which case it might be good to wait.

I'm not even sure usb4 would been an option we may not see it until 2021 so Zen 4.