No need to get creative. Just download OSS Nginx and put up a hello world. Stress test. Now use Nginx to call a redis DB variable and stress test. Now use Nginx to pull cache from mariadb and test. I don’t have a threadripper anymore. I sold my 3960x last month.To you and @Gideon and anyone else who is wondering on web apps. How about we find some benchmarks to back up what you are all saying. My opinions were based a several sites benchmarks. The word of people that things are slower when "blah, blah, blah" are all opinions. Let back this up with a set of benchmarks that we can argue about. And please try to pick ones from sites that we all here recognize as valid popular sites.
Transactional databases are still needed for many things, especially in the financial world.I really hope those run on distributed commit logs (e.g. Kafka & co) and microservices rather than some ancient transactional databases (god-forbid, if it's Oracle) and some "enterprise Java" monoliths that only scale vertically. If that's the fromer is the case, then some saner architectural decsision can be made. If the latter ...
I've been waiting for Zen 3 before starting my new build...the PSU and motherboard shortages over the past few weeks/months has made it easier but I was recently able to obtain the PSU I wanted (Corsair RM750x) as well as a good X570 motherboard (MSI X570 Tomahawk)...so now I have them sitting in my place un-opened and the wait now feels longer for Zen 3
I previously heard rumors about a September launch but now I'm hearing it might not be until November...I really don't think I can wait that long...if it doesn't get released next month I might just get a 3700X
Beyond my capabilities. I have the hardware, not the knowledge to do this. So are you saying its easy to prove that EPYC is better ?No need to get creative. Just download OSS Nginx and put up a hello world. Stress test. Now use Nginx to call a redis DB variable and stress test. Now use Nginx to pull cache from mariadb and test. I don’t have a threadripper anymore. I sold my 3960x last month.
now put it behind a Nginx LB, and call up 10+ Instances and test. Do the same and install a linux distro per two cores and get a bunch of containers and perform the same test.
Agreed, I even wanted to add the disclaimer to the post that you'll also gonna need these (they are fine for the majority of tasks).Transactional databases are still needed for many things, especially in the financial world.
I wouldn't expect anything until November. Probably late November.
Yes, definitely. EPYC is much better in some cases, and if you're setting it up properly, you would put all of your die CCX in one kubernetes cluster. Each cluster gets its own CCX. You would not be randomly building them out. You'll find references here: https://developer.amd.com/wp-content/resources/56827-1-0.pdf & https://www.dell.com/support/articl...hitecture-and-initial-hpc-performance?lang=enBeyond my capabilities. I have the hardware, not the knowledge to do this. So are you saying its easy to prove that EPYC is better ?
I've been waiting for Zen 3 before starting my new build...the PSU and motherboard shortages over the past few weeks/months has made it easier but I was recently able to obtain the PSU I wanted (Corsair RM750x) as well as a good X570 motherboard (MSI X570 Tomahawk)...so now I have them sitting in my place un-opened and the wait now feels longer for Zen 3
I previously heard rumors about a September launch but now I'm hearing it might not be until November...I really don't think I can wait that long...if it doesn't get released next month I might just get a 3700X
LateAny news yet on when the desktop Zen 3 processors are coming out ?
I'm in the same boat as you. I started collecting parts for a build , planning on the 10600K when it was released. I hadn't been keeping up with CPU news. Now that it turned out to be such a poor CPU, I decided on Ryzen. Got a Define R6, Mugen 5 and new PSU earlier this year, even new fans. It's all sitting there waiting for a new CPU/Motherboard.
Now I'm torn between building now, or waiting for Ryzen 3. I'm thinking the 3700X will drop below $200 when Ryzen 3 released, so I hate to build now.
I wouldn't expect anything until November. Probably late November.
To you and @Gideon and anyone else who is wondering on web apps. How about we find some benchmarks to back up what you are all saying. My opinions were based a several sites benchmarks. The word of people that things are slower when "blah, blah, blah" are all opinions. Let back this up with a set of benchmarks that we can argue about. And please try to pick ones from sites that we all here recognize as valid popular sites.
November??...say it ain't so...I was hoping for mid-September after Intel has their little Tiger Lake event
I wasn’t referring to web applications in general, I was referring to our specific use case. We have hundreds of terabytes of data in our application layer alone, not including the data warehouse. We have things like Redis, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL Server, a job server, a heavily threaded web application, etc. I can only speculate as to why EPYC was slower. Memory latency maybe? Who knows.
Cost isn’t really a factor for us. Application performance is. I am also not claiming EPYC is slow, just that there are use cases for Intel chips. If Zen 3 weren’t dropping so soon I would love to drop cash on an EPYC chip and play around with different use cases.
I have been unable so far to find sqlserver benchmarks, but is it possible they were comparing Naples ? not Rome EPYC ? Those are quite a bit slower. When did they do this test ? It was only a year ago Rome came out. I own both Naples and Rome EPYC, and Rome is much faster IMO. Also, when were systems with Rome available for general testing by the public ? If you answer on what date they started their test, this could give us the answer.I wasn’t referring to web applications in general, I was referring to our specific use case. We have hundreds of terabytes of data in our application layer alone, not including the data warehouse. We have things like Redis, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL Server, a job server, a heavily threaded web application, etc. I can only speculate as to why EPYC was slower. Memory latency maybe? Who knows.
Cost isn’t really a factor for us. Application performance is. I am also not claiming EPYC is slow, just that there are use cases for Intel chips. If Zen 3 weren’t dropping so soon I would love to drop cash on an EPYC chip and play around with different use cases.
November??...say it ain't so...I was hoping for mid-September after Intel has their little Tiger Lake event
XT is an mainly 7/7 anniversary version and we all know those celebrating versions are not meant to be important milestones.They did just release a largely pointless Zen 2 refresh. I'm thinking November with October being a nice surprise if it happens. We might just hear more about it at Hot Chips in a few days.
XT is an mainly 7/7 anniversary version and we all know those celebrating versions are not meant to be important milestones.
But I think it will be October keep in mind that Zen4 is already planned for end 2021, you want Zen3 for at least 1 year before moving on.
I have been unable so far to find sqlserver benchmarks, but is it possible they were comparing Naples ? not Rome EPYC ? Those are quite a bit slower. When did they do this test ? It was only a year ago Rome came out. I own both Naples and Rome EPYC, and Rome is much faster IMO. Also, when were systems with Rome available for general testing by the public ? If you answer on what date they started their test, this could give us the answer.
I was waiting until I cracked. I went with a 10700. It was between this and the 3700x.I've been waiting for Zen 3 before starting my new build...the PSU and motherboard shortages over the past few weeks/months has made it easier but I was recently able to obtain the PSU I wanted (Corsair RM750x) as well as a good X570 motherboard (MSI X570 Tomahawk)...so now I have them sitting in my place un-opened and the wait now feels longer for Zen 3
I previously heard rumors about a September launch but now I'm hearing it might not be until November...I really don't think I can wait that long...if it doesn't get released next month I might just get a 3700X