I'm not sure where this idea that Ryzen has much lower IPC than 8/9th gen Intel comes from. Intel has a clock advantage, and a very minor ST IPC lead; MT IPC they are behind marginally.
No fun when you spin it that way. /s
I'm not sure where this idea that Ryzen has much lower IPC than 8/9th gen Intel comes from. Intel has a clock advantage, and a very minor ST IPC lead; MT IPC they are behind marginally.
Since they are launching a product on the same socket, and it supposed to be compatible, it should be a lot easier than the first time, just a bios update for vcore and to recognize the chip.I remember when Ryzen launched and how MB manufactures had so much trouble with their drivers and bios. So this time I'm sure they have been working hard on getting it right at launch this time.
Since they are launching a product on the same socket, and it supposed to be compatible, it should be a lot easier than the first time, just a bios update for vcore and to recognize the chip.
I remember when Ryzen launched and how MB manufactures had so much trouble with their drivers and bios. So this time I'm sure they have been working hard on getting it right at launch this time.
I don't think it should be as much of an issue this time around. Zen was completely new (and I forget if AM4 was also new) so there were bound to be a lot more issues. This time there's a solid existing code base and an existing product pipeline that can be tweaked as necessary. I think that things will go much more smoothly.
I remember when Ryzen launched and how MB manufactures had so much trouble with their drivers and bios. So this time I'm sure they have been working hard on getting it right at launch this time.
AMD had a lot less trouble with the X470 release. I wouldn't expect things to be as rocky this time around as they were in 2017.
These chips are supposed to work in all existing AM4 motherboards (with a BIOS update) so how can this be a big update ?????Yeah but X470 was just a minor change to X370 as developed by Asmedia. AMD is back to developing their own chipsets for this gen. Time to relearn a lost practice.
Yeah but X470 was just a minor change to X370 as developed by Asmedia. AMD is back to developing their own chipsets for this gen. Time to relearn a lost practice.
It's designing a chip from the ground up. Socket compatibility doesn't mean drop in support for the chipset itself and even if it did it could be as different as a Pentium vs. K6 vs. Cyrix vs. Centaur for Socket 7. Internal design and drivers can be completely different (because different designers).These chips are supposed to work in all existing AM4 motherboards (with a BIOS update) so how can this be a big update ?????
I don't think so. To use the same socket, all the traces have to go to the same places. Its a minor update. The major update is the chip, not the motherboard.It's designing a chip from the ground up. Socket compatibility doesn't mean drop in support for the chipset itself and even if it did it could be as different as a Pentium vs. K6 vs. Cyrix vs. Centaur for Socket 7. Internal design and drivers can be completely different (because different designers).
The most recent rumors suggest x570 will be developed by AMD while ASMedia will handle any others. I would expect AMD to borrow heavily from x470, but I guess we shall see.
Let's see what he will say in July. How much will intel charge for their 18C monster SKUs when AM4 platform will have similar core counts and performance for a fraction of the price.
And Francois Piednoel's take on Zen 2...hmm.
X570 doesn't have to be much different. It's all about the UEFI.
I would hope that x570 supports a pcie3 link to cpu and hence faster or more IO options.
With the performance/power usage we saw vs the 9900k, this tweet is really hard to believe.
I'd love to know what fairy dust AMD sprinkled on their ES at CES if neither their clocks nor IPC were on a par with the 9900K.
Unless someone is saying that Lisa Su blatantly lied about the Ryzen ES being an 8c CPU, either the clocks or IPC have to be ahead.
Francois Piednoel on twitter said:Let me rephrase ... nobody seems to be able to finish a run of GB at full speed.
That's like saying the Nforce 2 and AMD chipsets back in the day we're exactly the same. Having the same socket is one thing doesn't mean the traces are exactly the same, just means that the Mobo makers have to design a new board instead of recycling older designs. What matters is the socket pinout is the same. Chipsets haven't always been drop in compatible.I don't think so. To use the same socket, all the traces have to go to the same places. Its a minor update. The major update is the chip, not the motherboard.
Let's see what he will say in July. How much will intel charge for their 18C monster SKUs when AM4 platform will have similar core counts and performance for a fraction of the price.
The last rumor based on industry sources I saw was AMD will migrate their Epyc chipset towards x570 (with minor tweaks/updates along the way).The most recent rumors suggest x570 will be developed by AMD while ASMedia will handle any others. I would expect AMD to borrow heavily from x470, but I guess we shall see.
His later tweet was
Indeed, my point is that there are samples of the Matisse part that are running at or near target frequency.
Taiwan is not impressed with what is coming from AMD, and I am told that it is trying very hard to get it going, Frequencies are just nowhere close to be a thread, neither IPC.
Especially in Cloud environment, the high core count drives you to have very pathetic frequencies for Virtual machines, When 8 core VMs, they are not even competitive with a VM from 2012 from Intel ... That is a huge problem. High core count is a big mistake for VMs.
Sooner than later, share holders will understand that, it core count has been taken too far, making all of those parts totally uncompetitive ... especially on the cloud.