Question Speculation: RDNA2 + CDNA Architectures thread

[uzzi38]

All die sizes are within 5mm^2. The poster here has been right on some things in the past afaik, and to his credit was the first to saying 505mm^2 for Navi21, which other people have backed up. Even still though, take the following with a pich of salt.

Navi21 - 505mm^2

Navi22 - 340mm^2

Navi23 - 240mm^2

Source is the following post: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1588075782.A.C1E.html

 

[MrTeal]

Have to wait to see reviews, but a 6800XT is looking pretty good at $650. The an extra $350 for the extra 8CU in the 6900XT is a big ask at the same frame buffer and clock speeds.

The charts comparing the 6900XT to 3090 are with Rage mode on, so OCed with likely >300W power draw. Have to see how that plays out in December.

 

[blckgrffn]

Total demolition by AMD, I've totally been jebaited. If their numbers hold, it looks like they're going to beat Nvidia across the board, perf, perf/watt, memory etc.

Beating/matching the 3090 for $999 is much better than I expected. Only thing that's disappointing is the 6800 pricing.

$499 would have been too big of an ask, I guess? Ah well, it's super competitive and likely going to be moved a lot (guessing a OEM sweetheart with its more moderate power requirements and such, like the 2060 has been) so keeping the price up is good for margins?

 

[Hitman928]

Total demolition by AMD, I've totally been jebaited. If their numbers hold, it looks like they're going to beat Nvidia across the board, perf, perf/watt, memory etc.

Beating/matching the 3090 for $999 is much better than I expected. Only thing that's disappointing is the 6800 pricing.

Agreed, the 6800 pricing seems a bit high though you do get slightly better perf/$ to the 3070 (if AMD's charts are believed) and you still retain the full 16 GB of VRAM so better value overall. I wonder if AMD will come out with a 6700XT that will be more the direct price competitor to the 3070.

 

[soresu]

The OC potential of AIB cards is going to be ridiculous!

Careful, statements like that don't tend to age well.

 

[Vope45]

6900XT at $999 and 300W just smoked the 3090 if their comparative graphs hold up to independent review.

It's not quite at 3090 level yet. Rage mode was enabled btw.

 

[blckgrffn]

Careful, statements like that don't tend to age well.

I am voting you off the train Soresu is sus.

 

[mohit9206]

Total demolition by AMD, I've totally been jebaited. If their numbers hold, it looks like they're going to beat Nvidia across the board, perf, perf/watt, memory etc.

Beating/matching the 3090 for $999 is much better than I expected. Only thing that's disappointing is the 6800 pricing.

Yes 6800 pricing is clearly done to upsell people to 6800XT

 

[Glo.]

In those presentations we have seen some sneaky tricks similar to Nvidia marketing.

Don't pull off your seat belts yet, the hype train hasn't stopped, yet. Now I want to see the reviews.

 

[soresu]

This is all awesome and all but I hope it won't take another 6 months to see 6700 XT break cover, papa needs his low power upgrade swag.

 

[uzzi38]

6800XT easily looks like the best value here IMO.

 

[Glo.]

6800 - 60 CU GPU with performance 10% above RTX 2080 Ti/RTX 3070, for 80$ more.

I think its a fair deal. Would be better if they would price it at 499-549$, tho...

 

[alexruiz]

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If i remember correctly, since they acquired ATI, they had NEVER used an AMD CPU to test the new Radeons.
That also tells me Ryzen 5000 is killing it

 

[GoodRevrnd]

That GPU direct memory access feature is interesting. I'd be concerned about stability on soemthing new like that. At the same time, killer feature, in some ways up there with nVidia levels of dirtiness without resorting to stupid proprietary features. Were their benchmarks presented with or without that enabled?

 

[soresu]

I am voting you off the train Soresu is sus.

Just a dash of salty realism to go with that sweet tooth shredding nuclear 6900 XT reveal.

 

[linkgoron]

The 6900XT results are using rage mode and the smart access memory with zen3.

Missed that. So it'll probably be a bit slower. Not bad, but not as exciting as the slide made it appear. I don't see where Nvidia can place a Ti - they'll have to lower prices to fit one.

 

[Hitman928]

It's not quite at 3090 level yet. Rage mode was enabled btw.

Well, a 3090 uses upwards of 380W at stock, so AMD has some room to play power wise to match the 3090 with rage mode / overclocking. As always, we'll have to wait for independent reviews.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

The 6900XT results are using rage mode and the smart access memory with zen3.

Ah lame. +$300 for a 6900XT doesn't seem remotely worth it then. They must be better binned chips to be hitting the same TBP, but I suspect enabling the same features between both and OCing to the gills will net a pretty minor dif between 6800/6900.

 

[soresu]

Nice to see that DirectStorage API feature made it into RDNA2, I was worried that it wouldn't with all the SSD focused gaming bonanza.

 

[Konan]

6900XT at $999 and 300W just smoked the 3090 if their comparative graphs hold up to independent review.

Overclocked vs stock was a little biased on the slide though.

 

[GaiaHunter]

6800 - 60 CU GPU with performance 10% above RTX 2080 Ti/RTX 3070, for 80$ more.

I think its a fair deal. Would be better if they would price it at 499-549$, tho...

Unfortunately the market never rewarded AMD for big price/performance, so they only give enough value to pull those that can either go green or red.

 

[Kenmitch]

JHH reaches for another wipe! /s maybe?

 

[Mopetar]

This is all awesome and all but I hope it won't take another 6 months to see 6700 XT break cover, papa needs his low power upgrade swag.

They're probably saving some stuff for CES and want to clear out all of the RDNA1 and Polaris cards over Black Friday.

I think we'll see those cards rather early in 2021, especially once the initial console production ramp slows down and more wafers become available for other products.

 

[parkerface]

I'm looking forward to seeing how far these cards can go with an unrestricted power limit.

For uhh, science...

 

[MrTeal]

6800 - 60 CU GPU with performance 10% above RTX 2080 Ti/RTX 3070, for 80$ more.

I think its a fair deal. Would be better if they would price it at 499-549$, tho...

The 6800's problem isn't nvidia (yet), it's the 6800 XT with 20% more CU for $70 more (+12%).

 

[Avalon]

6800 - 60 CU GPU with performance 10% above RTX 2080 Ti/RTX 3070, for 80$ more.

I think its a fair deal. Would be better if they would price it at 499-549$, tho...

Yeah, I saw that 60CU and performance and the $579 price tag and thought...hmm, missed opportunity to really kill it and price it at $499. Guess they're just trying to maximize ASP though. I would have been reeeeeal tempted at $499. Instead I'll wait to see what the 6700XT can do.