Speculation: AMD's response to Intel's 8-core i9-9900K

[LTC8K6]

https://amp.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-vs-core-i7-9700k,38046.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-vs-core-i7-9700k,38046.html

 

[wickedout2015]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-vs-core-i7-9700k,38046.html

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[LTC8K6]

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Your link didn't work for me, I was just posting a link that worked, in case anyone else had trouble.

 

[wickedout2015]

Your link didn't work for me, I was just posting a link that worked, in case anyone else had trouble.

Thanks! I just posted a working link. It worked for me.

 

[LTC8K6]

Thanks! I just posted a working link. It worked for me.

I think my browser does not like the "amp" being in the link.

 

[wickedout2015]

I think my browser does not like the "amp" being in the link.

Don't use Tapatalk if you need to use a link. Just had to disable my signature. Just to post a link. Big thanks to daveybrat for his help. Nice dude. And thank you.

 

[Asterox]

Well, by this prices the numbers or response is very clear.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Threadripper-24-thread-Processor-YD192XA8AEWOF/dp/B074CBJHCT

https://www.amazon.com/PRIME-Thread...&sr=1-1&keywords=threadripper+tr4+motherboard

Thredripper 12/24/1920X 350$+motherboard 300$=650$

"often not in stock" i9 9900K 8/16 550-600$+where is my motherboard?

 

[IEC]

^1950X has even better deals.

1950X + X399 motherboard $709 combo deal:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3769755

1700X has been <$149.99 and 2600X is <$179.99.

It appears they will ride it out just fine until the launch of 7nm Zen 2. These prices are irresistible.

 

[Markfw]

^1950X has even better deals.

1950X + X399 motherboard $709 combo deal:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3769755

1700X has been <$149.99 and 2600X is <$179.99.

It appears they will ride it out just fine until the launch of 7nm Zen 2. These prices are irresistible.

Damn... That is a better deal than the 1950x@450

 

[DooKey]

Dang, tried to buy the combo and it's sold out.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Yeah there is really no reason for AMD to do anything. The 9900k is as rare as a two horned unicorn. THe 9700k is a good cpu but hard to really justify over a cheaper and better allrounder in the 2700x. Intel must be really worried, it seems they won't have any answer to Zen 2. Not unless they cut the price of the 9900k by a third and actually make the thing. And that's assuming the 3700x is 8 cores. If its 12 cores then even the 9900k will be a hard sell.

 

[epsilon84]

Yeah there is really no reason for AMD to do anything. The 9900k is as rare as a two horned unicorn. THe 9700k is a good cpu but hard to really justify over a cheaper and better allrounder in the 2700x. Intel must be really worried, it seems they won't have any answer to Zen 2. Not unless they cut the price of the 9900k by a third and actually make the thing. And that's assuming the 3700x is 8 cores. If its 12 cores then even the 9900k will be a hard sell.

The 9700K actually has a higher overall CPU performance rating than the 2700X at TPU: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_9700K/19.html

Of course that doesnt show the full picture because the 2700X generally has the edge in highly MT workloads, but it just goes to show that general 'desktop' computing isn't always highly multithreaded. I think the 9700K price (at least at MSRP) is about right considering it also has better gaming performance. Technically that makes it the better 'all rounder' desktop IMO - much better ST performance, slightly worse MT performance and better gaming performance.

I've said this before but I'll say it again - for Intel to compete against Zen 2 they simply have to re-enable HT on all their SKUs.

i3 - 4C / 8T @ $120 - $150
i5 - 6C / 12T @ $200 - $250
i7 - 8C / 16T @ $300 - $350

This of course makes the i9 9900K somewhat redundant unless it gets a drastic price cut, but at least Intel will be performance competitive against Zen 2 across their whole lineup (unless AMD keeps playing the 'moar corez' game and R7 ends up as 12C, R5 8C and R3 6C?)

 

[Gikaseixas]

^1950X has even better deals.

1950X + X399 motherboard $709 combo deal:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3769755

1700X has been <$149.99 and 2600X is <$179.99.

It appears they will ride it out just fine until the launch of 7nm Zen 2. These prices are irresistible.

$150 for a 8 core / 16 thread CPU??? Insane stuff
This makes that much harder to get the likes of even 2700X, 9700K, etc

 

[Gikaseixas]

The 9700K actually has a higher overall CPU performance rating than the 2700X at TPU

At $100 less the 2700K is a much better deal for most people. Performance deficit is negligible or almost non-existent since we're talking about 5.2% as per your own link.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

I'm not sure that re-enabling HT as the sole counter measure to Zen 2 would be sending the right message about Intel's position. It'd be an admission that they had reached the end point of 14nm+++++++++++, and that they definitely were well behind in their development of 10nm.
The other thing to factor in is that their first gen 10nm was expected to be worse performing than their best 14nm++++++++ at launch, and that was before even the i9 was even dreamed up.
Intel would also be left in a tricky spot regarding PCIe4; they'd not have access to it whilst AMD did. I'm no expert on the real world benefits of PCIe4 over PCIe3, but I'd be confident that consumer preference would be to have access to the latest tech. Perhaps someone else could contribute on this topic? My own view is that Intel won't be PCIe4 compatible until their 10nm CPUs come to market.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel could do the unthinkable and just update platform without really updating the CPU. That might be the "CoffeeLake Refresh Refresh" that some insisted would come out sometime in mid/late 2019. i9-9950k or what have you.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel would also be left in a tricky spot regarding PCIe4; they'd not have access to it whilst AMD did. I'm no expert on the real world benefits of PCIe4 over PCIe3, but I'd be confident that consumer preference would be to have access to the latest tech. Perhaps someone else could contribute on this topic? My own view is that Intel won't be PCIe4 compatible until their 10nm CPUs come to market.

Intel appears to be skipping PCIe 4 in favor of 5; but you probably won't see that on mainstream until Tigerlake or maybe even later.

Adding HT and maybe some turbo clocks, with the i9 going 10 core seems to be the best bet for next year's Intel desktops.

 

[Asterox]

At $100 less the 2700K is a much better deal for most people. Performance deficit is negligible or almost non-existent since we're talking about 5.2% as per your own link.

It is not just 100$ less, because for i7 9700K you must buy CPU cooler.So in the end 150$ minimum price diference, or at least 40$ for any good CPU cooler for K CPU.Who buys a 20$ CPU cooler for cheep 400$ Intel K CPU?

But hey R7 1700X is 150$, by logic for now you should ignore all other CPU-a like there are fog.

As i see most people do not appreciate it, or preety absurd fact that you can buy good 8/16 CPU for only 150$.

 

[Yotsugi]

Intel appears to be skipping PCIe 4 in favor of 5

Both Cooper and Ice are PCIe4.
Mainstream Ice will be PCIe4, too.

 

[IEC]

TR 1950X 16c/32t: $405 (after eBay bucks promo)
X399 Prime E-ATX: $239 (after Rakuten BF coupon code)
4x8GB DDR4-3000 CL15 RAM: $180 (after eBay coupon code)
Arctic Freezer 33TR Air cooler: $30

All this plus GPU and PSU = less than the original MSRP of a 1950X for the complete system.

 

[Atari2600]

That might be the "CoffeeLake Refresh Refresh" that some insisted would come out sometime in mid/late 2019

LatteLake?
CappuccinoLake?
MochaLake?

They've several more "Coffee" variants they can chuck out - and every one of them would be about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

 

[Markfw]

TR 1950X 16c/32t: $405 (after eBay bucks promo)
X399 Prime E-ATX: $239 (after Rakuten BF coupon code)
4x8GB DDR4-3000 CL15 RAM: $180 (after eBay coupon code)
Arctic Freezer 33TR Air cooler: $30

All this plus GPU and PSU = less than the original MSRP of a 1950X for the complete system.

What is the ebay bucks code ?

 

[jpiniero]

Both Cooper and Ice are PCIe4.
Mainstream Ice will be PCIe4, too.

Intel said at one point they might support 4 on Ice, but it sounded very optional and just something for compatibility sake, like on the chipset and not on the processor. Things may have changed however. With Cooper in the mix, it sounds even less likely.

Since mainstream Ice is only U/Y, and maybe H, I'm not sure it needs 4 unless it's used and needed for the chipset connection. Obviously won't have anything else to use.

LatteLake?
CappuccinoLake?
MochaLake?

They've several more "Coffee" variants they can chuck out - and every one of them would be about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Comet Lake. Technically it's pretty much the same thing however as Coffee Lake Refresh Refresh.

 

[epsilon84]

At $100 less the 2700K is a much better deal for most people. Performance deficit is negligible or almost non-existent since we're talking about 5.2% as per your own link.

And at $150 less than the 2700X the R5 2600 would be a much better deal for most people too. Or the $150 1700 as has been mentioned. If price/performance was the ONLY factor nobody else should buy anything but a Ryzen 2600 or Ryzen 1700 for $150? You get about 80% 2700X performance for half the price. Overclock the 1700 and you're within 10% of the 2700X.

The 9700Ks main advantage of course isn't it's 5% lead in 'overall' CPU performance, but rather the much higher gaming performance (with high end GPUs) and a much higher clockspeed ceiling - 5.2GHz overclocks are pretty commonplace on 9700Ks as they are less thermally constrained than 9900Ks. This may be worth the $100 premium for gamers, especially those sporting high refresh rate monitors, or perhaps people who run less heavily threaded software.

 

[epsilon84]

It is not just 100$ less, because for i7 9700K you must buy CPU cooler.So in the end 150$ minimum price diference, or at least 40$ for any good CPU cooler for K CPU.Who buys a 20$ CPU cooler for cheep 400$ Intel K CPU?

But hey R7 1700X is 150$, by logic for now you should ignore all other CPU-a like there are fog.

As i see most people do not appreciate it, or preety absurd fact that you can buy good 8/16 CPU for only 150$.

That is a good point, the 1700 has been that price for a while, why isn't it the most popular selling CPU?

As for your other point, I actually reused my old CM 212+ on my 8700K after I upgraded from my 6700K. So that's a $25 HSF (technically 'free') on a $350 CPU... and yes it runs at 5.0GHz

With a decent $50 air cooler a 9700K is typically capable of pushing 5.2GHz. The price premium is there, but so is the clockspeed headroom.