Speculation: AMD's response to Intel's 8-core i9-9900K

[AtenRa]

Intel will likely drop prices when Zen 2 for desktop is widely available.

Intel never drop prices, they always introduce a new SKU at lower price.

 

[AtenRa]

If prices are at 500+ USD for the 9900K, then for compute workloads and not gaming, the AMD Threadreaper 2920X with 12C 24T at $649 will be the AMD respond in October.

For gaming I dont see any significant performance increase going from 8700K to 9700K/9900K.

 

[LTC8K6]

If prices are at 500+ USD for the 9900K, then for compute workloads and not gaming, the AMD Threadreaper 2920X with 12C 24T at $649 will be the AMD respond in October.

For gaming I dont see any significant performance increase going from 8700K to 9700K/9900K.

Won't the clocks alone give it a gaming bump? Assuming the leaks are accurate, that is.

It's 300-400mhz faster at every step and it can do 5.0 with two cores.

Certainly in stock benchmarking it's going to be faster.

 

[TheELF]

I don't think 40%, its only 10% behind in games now.

It's only 10% behind in games with 33% more cores or threads available...That's not the same thing.
Also I wasn't even talking about games because this CPU is for anything but not for games,not that it won't do well in games but it's like shooting a mosquito with a bazooka,it's just brain dead to buy something like that just for gaming.

I was talking about CPU tests/performance where the stock i7-8700k and the stock 2700x get the same results although the ryzen has 33% more real cores as well as threads.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_2700/19.html

 

[TheELF]

Won't the clocks alone give it a gaming bump? Assuming the leaks are accurate, that is.

It's 300-400mhz faster at every step and it can do 5.0 with two cores.

Certainly in stock benchmarking it's going to be faster.

Doubtful, who tests games that use two cores anymore?
And any game that uses plenty of cores will bottleneck from the GPU way way before there would be a big enough difference.

 

[Markfw]

It's only 10% behind in games with 33% more cores or threads available...That's not the same thing.
Also I wasn't even talking about games because this CPU is for anything but not for games,not that it won't do well in games but it's like shooting a mosquito with a bazooka,it's just brain dead to buy something like that just for gaming.

I was talking about CPU tests/performance where the stock i7-8700k and the stock 2700x get the same results although the ryzen has 33% more real cores as well as threads.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_2700/19.html

In the first graph, its 1% behind. In games at was 20% (OC'ed) behind, but in perf/dollar, its won by 4%

I have seen other benchmarks where its not that far behind, but even in your own linked benches it looks pretty good

 

[LTC8K6]

Doubtful, who tests games that use two cores anymore?
And any game that uses plenty of cores will bottleneck from the GPU way way before there would be a big enough difference.

Well, we have much faster GPUs coming in September.

And that's not even considering ray tracing.

Maybe we will be able to use more CPU grunt/cores?

 

[AtenRa]

Won't the clocks alone give it a gaming bump? Assuming the leaks are accurate, that is.

It's 300-400mhz faster at every step and it can do 5.0 with two cores.

Certainly in stock benchmarking it's going to be faster.

For today's gaming, all you have to do is get a Core i7 8700K, oc to 4.7-5.0GHz and you are done, even if you have a RTX 2080Ti. No need to spend $500+ on the 9900K for the same Gaming performance.

But for compute loads/throughput, the AMD Threadreaper 2920X will be way faster and will have significantly higher perf/$ than 9900K(if at 500+ USD). Add HEDT platform features and its a no contest for the 9900K with mainstream Z390.

ps. Not to mention we are completely GPU limited at 1080p again with RT even with the RTX 2080Ti.

 

[LTC8K6]

For today's gaming, all you have to do is get a Core i7 8700K, oc to 4.7-5.0GHz and you are done, even if you have a RTX 2080Ti. No need to spend $500+ on the 9900K for the same Gaming performance.

But for compute loads/throughput, the AMD Threadreaper 2920X will be way faster and will have significantly higher perf/$ than 9900K(if at 500+ USD). Add HEDT platform features and its a no contest for the 9900K with mainstream Z390.

ps. Not to mention we are completely GPU limited at 1080p again with RT even with the RTX 2080Ti.

I don't think we know that we will have the same gaming performance.

I think the 2080ti will do better with RT than the early 1080p demo.

 

[zinfamous]

I hope you also look forward to literally everything you predicted, not happening.

The rise of Linux was probably my favourite prediction, I mean I must have only heard that being said 1,000 times over the last 20+ years. LOL

ONE DAY IT WILL HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheELF]

In the first graph, its 1% behind. In games at was 20% (OC'ed) behind, but in perf/dollar, its won by 4%

I have seen other benchmarks where its not that far behind, but even in your own linked benches it looks pretty good

Yes with the ryzen having 33% more cores it's still 1% behind in heavily multithreaded and 20% behind when GPU bottlenecked,why do you feel like you have to repeat this again?

but in perf/dollar, its won by 4%

And if you increase this by making the intel even more expensive by overclocking it you get even more performance out of it,so what, you have 20% better FPS (and same multi) for 4% higher cost?!Pff...

 

[french toast]

I don't think we know that we will have the same gaming performance.

I think the 2080ti will do better with RT than the early 1080p demo.

The demo was on a 2080ti, so you must be hoping for optimisation, I agree it will get better, if it doesn't, well then it is essentially hair works 2...useless for most.
More exciting to me is the tensor cores, wonder what devs can do with that?

 

[TheELF]

Well, we have much faster GPUs coming in September.

And that's not even considering ray tracing.

Maybe we will be able to use more CPU grunt/cores?

Sadly console games are already heavily under-utilizing modern CPU cores and that's a trend that will continue.
Here look at this crap,empty rooms (internal no open world) and just a couple of enemies and the game runs at ~80FPS on one of the best CPUs on the market...
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/the-8700k.2552388/page-3#post-39548321

PC exclusives might show a decent difference but how rare are those nowadays!?

 

[LTC8K6]

The demo was on a 2080ti, so you must be hoping for optimisation, I agree it will get better, if it doesn't, well then it is essentially hair works 2...useless for most.
More exciting to me is the tensor cores, wonder what devs can do with that?

I know the demo was the 2080ti. IIRC both BFV and Tomb Raider developers said not to pay too much attention to the demo performances.
I'll be surprised if RT gameplay isn't very fast at high res. With dedicated RT cores, the impact should be low.

 

[AtenRa]

I don't think we know that we will have the same gaming performance.

How much faster in games would you think a 9900K be against a 5GHz 8700K ???

I think the 2080ti will do better with RT than the early 1080p demo.

Even if you double the performance, we will still be GPU limited at 1080p with RT.

 

[dlerious]

Yes with the ryzen having 33% more cores it's still 1% behind in heavily multithreaded and 20% behind when GPU bottlenecked,why do you feel like you have to repeat this again?

And if you increase this by making the intel even more expensive by overclocking it you get even more performance out of it,so what, you have 20% better FPS (and same multi) for 4% higher cost?!Pff...

That 1% was the techpowerup overall score. I only saw one multithreaded benchmark - Cinebench R15. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_2700/9.html

 

[zinfamous]

At this point, it looks like AMD's response is a smirk and a near 120% gain this year and approaching a 12 year high. Them EPYC sales, man.

I hope they eliminate their debt, first. Then RTG, as Intel seems to be limping into 2020-maybe 2021. Time for RTG to get some love while Zen is just doing it's own thing.

 

[beginner99]

How much faster in games would you think a 9900K be against a 5GHz 8700K ???

Probably the same in controlled benchmarks. However controlled benches don't take into account multiplayer and background tasks and yes if you have enough stuff installed these can start to matter.

At up to $500 the 9900k would have been an ok choice for people needing MT and ST performance. But yeah at $600 it doesn't make much sense at all. I still value ST performance and with the IPC and clock advantage intel is still ahead a lot here especially given the mediocre increases we get.
Anyway I consider intel a risky buy due to meltdown issues and ensuing performance reducing fixes. Especially because as user you might end up having to get the fix even if you don't need it (i'm not a data center). And best to see how zen2 on 7nm does. We can still hope the consumer die is made on the IBM derived HPC process and clocks high.

 

[french toast]

At this point, it looks like AMD's response is a smirk and a near 120% gain this year and approaching a 12 year high. Them EPYC sales, man.

I hope they eliminate their debt, first. Then RTG, as Intel seems to be limping into 2020-maybe 2021. Time for RTG to get some love while Zen is just doing it's own thing.

Yea I hope RTG is given some love for 2020, R&D has gone up in the last 18 months and it will take a few years to see the fruits of it.
Has Epyc sales been picking up?..thought they only had about 2% market share?

 

[Jackie60]

That is kind of offensive pricing.

I agree, I was vaguely considering jumping on a 9900K to replace the 5960x instead of waiting for 7nm but
Intel has guaranteed I'll wait with those prices. It's almost like Intel are in a bubble, oblivious to what is happening in the real World and believing
they can crap on their consumers yet again. I'd seriously consider it at under £400/$400 but not all at £560/$560. Roll in AMD 7nm.

 

[LTC8K6]

How much faster in games would you think a 9900K be against a 5GHz 8700K ???



Even if you double the performance, we will still be GPU limited at 1080p with RT.

At least 10% faster.
Maybe we will. Do we know what CPUs were used in the presentation?

 

[LTC8K6]

There's no reason to think the prices being shown now have anything to do with reality, though.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Correct.
The pre-order price is 25% more expensive still.
Intel knows that there are mugs out there that want the latest and greatest on the day it is officially released, and that they'll pay a premium instead of chancing that their nearby stores have any in stock on release day.
They also know that same mugs will rave about it wherever they can, and that there'll be influenced sales at RSP as a result.
They know that these folk will gloat at the pre-order mugs, meanwhile Intel laughs at having charged both sets of mug a huge premium.

 

[USER8000]

I hope you also look forward to literally everything you predicted, not happening.

The rise of Linux was probably my favourite prediction, I mean I must have only heard that being said 1,000 times over the last 20+ years. LOL

Technically it has happened - Android uses the Linux kernel.

 

[Abwx]

Meanwhile the TR 1920X has reached the 335€ mark, and the 1950X is at 600€ with possibility to get as low as 450-500€ if necessary..

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-yd192xa8aewof-a1664904.html

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-yd195xa8aewof-a1664849.html#offerlist