Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

[Indus]

Good Grief. talk about a melt down. Pretty much "muller failed us, Muller is wrong, Muller didnt do his job. We dont care what this report says HE IS WRONG !!!

Liberals being idiots.

More distractions from Trump no doubt.. don't look at Russian interference being confirmed, don't look at Trump wrecking ACA, don't look at emoluments, don't look at anything, just look at boo hoo hoo.

No thx! We will not lose focus!

 

[Jhhnn]

Good Grief. talk about a melt down. Pretty much "muller failed us, Muller is wrong, Muller didnt do his job. We dont care what this report says HE IS WRONG !!!

Liberals being idiots.

I certainly haven't said that. OTOH, I think it's fair to distrust Barr's representation of the report.

 

[Jhhnn]

Without certain knowledge, I'd accept that some voters were swayed. 1% seems like a lot, but there are a lot of stupid around.

And Howdy! Trump is President, right? There is no rational explanation for that.

 

[IronWing]

Good Grief. talk about a melt down. Pretty much "muller failed us, Muller is wrong, Muller didnt do his job. We dont care what this report says HE IS WRONG !!!

Liberals being idiots.

Perhaps you could post your copy of the report here?

 

[dbr1]

It doesn't really matter, does it? Wherever you came from, you're here to troll for Trump with the Steele dossier/ Deep State diversion as if that somehow invalidates all the honest national security concerns that actually led to Mueller's appointment.

This is the whole point. The national security concerns were not 'honest.' They were pretext. As Stzrok said, the investigation was 'insurance' for the 'unlikely event he get's elected.' Also Strzok about the investigation: 'I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there’s no big there there.'

 

[Jhhnn]

This is the whole point. The national security concerns were not 'honest.' They were pretext. As Stzrok said, the investigation was 'insurance' for the 'unlikely event he get's elected.' Also Strzok about the investigation: 'I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there’s no big there there.'

Yeh, the FBI didn't care when Manafort became campaign manager. They didn't care about his sidekick Gates, Page or Flynn, either. They didn't care when they confirmed the hacking & release of DNC & Podesta's emails had Russia's fingerprints all over it. The IC wasn't concerned at all when they uncovered the tip of the iceberg of Russia's social media efforts. Nobody cared about the Trump tower meeting. Nobody cared when sessions offered a lie in his confirmation hearing.

None of that mattered, obviously, because it was a Deep State plot from the beginning.

 

[ivwshane]

Everyone should feel rest assured about this one little fact(s):

The fact that Barr decided to release this little summary with his own conclusionS says the Mueller investigation is more damning than anyone can imagine.

The fact that Barr is going to allow the Whitehouse to edit the Mueller report before its made public tells me it's pretty bad.

The fact that Republicans are trying to keep this report under wraps, despite the fact that it is supposedly good for trump, days everything we need to know about how damaging this report is.

The fact that the right wing media is demanding apologies from all those involved with the Mueller investigation and the reporting of it, tells us they are more worried than then are letting on.

The fact that trump is urging, those involved with this investigation, should be punished, tells us trump is concerned about this report and knows its the end of the road.

Lastly, the fact that right wing trolls and alt accounts are coming out in droves (not just on this forum but on anything that can be commented on), tells us a propaganda effort is in full effect and can only mean one thing, the wanna be authoritarian is in trouble.

Having said that, know this, trump, Republicans, and the right will do everything they can to keep this report under wraps and muddy up the water to delegitimize its findings. While their effort will surely slow and hinder when and how this report is released, it will be released and all hell will break loose. We will have a constitutional crisis and traitors will be exposed.

 

[trenchfoot]

Yeh, the FBI didn't care when Manafort became campaign manager. They didn't care about his sidekick Gates, Page or Flynn, either. They didn't care when they confirmed the hacking & release of DNC & Podesta's emails had Russia's fingerprints all over it. The IC wasn't concerned at all when they uncovered the tip of the iceberg of Russia's social media efforts. Nobody cared about the Trump tower meeting. Nobody cared when sessions offered a lie in his confirmation hearing.

None of that mattered, obviously, because it was a Deep State plot from the beginning.

Conservatives are anxious to bury every single malicious and malevolent thing Trump, his close associates and Trump's rubber stamping Senate and House Repubs have committed against the people of the nation.

Barr's suspect interpretation of Mueller's report is the shovel Repubs are using to do just that. Too bad those numerous convictions, indictments and cooperating with Mueller's team of Trump's operatives will simply rise to the surface after every shovelful of dirt gets thrown on it. As well, there's the ongoing House investigations, the SDNY and other investigations that are in progress.

Try as they may, the Repubs aren't going to be successful at having the people of the nation forgive and forget the level of criminality and flagrant disregard for the rule of law that the Trump clan have become notorious for.

 

[fskimospy]

Disagree but don't have the time or energy to go through this systematically and refute with links.

BUT: this will all come out.

The origins of the 'Russia' investigation were fraudulent and used as a pretext to remove a President who challenged the status quo to the degree that no one, not Obama and his DOJ/CIA NOR Republican establishment figures like McCain and others were prepared to tolerate. Even if removing/neutralizing Trump required an unprecedented and extraordinary abuse of powers of federal investigatory agencies at the highest level.

The origins of the Trump/Russia investigation was that a Trump campaign staffer got wasted and started talking about his knowledge of Russian espionage efforts to a level that concerned an allied diplomat. This is public knowledge. The origins of the special counsel investigation was Trump firing the head of the FBI after asking him to stop the investigation. This is also public knowledge.

You’re living in a conspiracy theory fantasy world. There is not one shred of evidence that federal powers were abused against him, you’re just exposing yourself as an easy mark for Trump’s lies.

 

[fskimospy]

This is the whole point. The national security concerns were not 'honest.' They were pretext. As Stzrok said, the investigation was 'insurance' for the 'unlikely event he get's elected.' Also Strzok about the investigation: 'I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there’s no big there there.'

So Strzok was simultaneously an enthusiastic and biased member of the conspiracy against Trump AND reluctant to join the investigation due to a lack of confidence there was wrongdoing to uncover.

Wait what.

Lol. Did you stop and take a second to think this through? Again, this is tinfoil hat nonsense.

 

[compuwiz1]

This whole Russiagate business is the biggest load of crap perpetrated on the American people since the WMD's. Those who initiated it and carried out promoting all the lies need to be held accountable. The media lies, the false reporting, the means by which the FISA warrants were obtained....all of founded on complete BS. The left needs to eat it and get over it. You got problems with the way Trump runs the country, or with the man himself? Fine, you're entitled to feel that way. Just be real about it, not invent things. There are plenty of genuine things to go against, when it comes to Trump. It is well past time to move on. This shit show is well worn. Find new material.

https://www.thenation.com/article/rip-russiagate/

 

[Blackjack200]

How Russiagate duped millions: https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/...illions-were-duped-by-russiagate-61199bfbe325

Excellent from Caitlin Johnstone.

 

[Bitek]

This whole Russiagate business is the biggest load of crap perpetrated on the American people since the WMD's. Those who initiated it and carried out promoting all the lies need to be held accountable. The media lies, the false reporting, the means by which the FISA warrants were obtained....all of founded on complete BS. The left needs to eat it and get over it. You got problems with the way Trump runs the country, or with the man himself? Fine, you're entitled to feel that way. Just be real about it, not invent things. There are plenty of genuine things to go against, when it comes to Trump. It is well past time to move on. This shit show is well worn. Find new material.

https://www.thenation.com/article/rip-russiagate/

So surely you are calling for the actual report to be released then?

Not some summary extracted by a Trump loyalist?

Not some heavily redacted version blacked out by WH claims of executive privilege?

You'll let Congress decide on the obstruction charges as per their Constitutional mandate?

Or you'll just take the word of a habitual liar on face value because he's telling you the lies you want to believe?

 

[trenchfoot]

Looks like Barr is going to try to make a very special elusive and beguiling vintage of lemon flavored kool aid that Trump and his supporters will drink by the barrels full out that very sour, very revealing and very harsh lemon that Mueller handed to him.

Fire away Barr, you'll only provide more proof of how corrupted you, your boss, his family, his administration and every one of his sycophant yes men/women are.

Can't wait for Mueller to get interviewed by the Dems in the House. Should be a must-see event.

 

[pmv]

I don't recall ever making a moral argument about this? In fact I've always discussed this in purely rational self interest terms.

As far as telling Trump/Putin fans they are wrong that's pretty easy. It is extremely unlikely that Russia has the United States' best interests at heart. Even if you believe in this case your interests coincide by accepting/encouraging Russia to continue to conduct espionage operations against our election process the country will be harmed in the long run either through poor leadership or by delegitimizing the democratic process.

OK, so your position is about self-interest, and that Trump voters are simply mistaken in thinking he represents their interests, fair enough.

But then my point would be that it's equally likely that US interventions in foreign politics are not necessarily in the interests of much of the US population either, as they are political decisions just like those made by Trump. So that still seems to conflict with the defence of foreign interventions earlier as being necessarily in the interests of Americans (which might have been from TheVrolok, not you).


Anway, I'd say it's about equally unlikely that Putin _or_ Trump have the US population's interests at heart. They are both largely concerned with themselves. I'm not sure nationality has a great deal to do with it (I don't think Putin has the interests of much of the Russian population exactly at heart either).

If you can't persuade Trump voters of that with regard to Trump himself I just don't know that the Putin connection adds a great deal, most particularly with those who have come to believe 'liberals' are a kind of foreigner anyway and have already come to 'admire' Putin. It's clear people's sense of loyalty/identity involves other factors than nationality.

 

[fskimospy]

Here's some interesting analysis from the lawyers at Lawfare, which is one of the most widely respected, nonpartisan legal sites out there. In their writer's estimation the most likely answer on obstruction of justice is that Mueller felt he had sufficient evidence to indict Trump and gain a conviction but elected not to because it wasn't a slam dunk and because of justice department guidelines about federal interest. Principally, that this decision was not his to make.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-obstruction-justice-mystery-barr-letter

This is still speculation of course, but it is probably among the best informed speculation you're going to find on this.

 

[TheVrolok]

Here's some interesting analysis from the lawyers at Lawfare, which is one of the most widely respected, nonpartisan legal sites out there. In their writer's estimation the most likely answer on obstruction of justice is that Mueller felt he had sufficient evidence to indict Trump and gain a conviction but elected not to because it wasn't a slam dunk and because of justice department guidelines about federal interest. Principally, that this decision was not his to make.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-obstruction-justice-mystery-barr-letter

This is still speculation of course, but it is probably among the best informed speculation you're going to find on this.

This is way too nuanced for the Trump faithful.

 

[compuwiz1]

LOL...
Bernie Sanders in February 2018: "The findings of Robert Mueller's investigation must be taken seriously at every level of government."


March 2019.
Reporter: "Will you accept the results of "No Collusion" from the Mueller Report?
Bernie Sanders: "NO!

 

[soulcougher73]

This whole process needs an overhaul.

 

[UberNeuman]

LOL...
Bernie Sanders in February 2018: "The findings of Robert Mueller's investigation must be taken seriously at every level of government."


March 2019.
Reporter: "Will you accept the results of "No Collusion" from the Mueller Report?
Bernie Sanders: "NO!

Taking time off from hanging around the DMV?

Lol.

 

[soundforbjt]

LOL...
Bernie Sanders in February 2018: "The findings of Robert Mueller's investigation must be taken seriously at every level of government."


March 2019.
Reporter: "Will you accept the results of "No Collusion" from the Mueller Report?
Bernie Sanders: "NO!

Why should anybody who hasn't read the report? Have you read it? Got a link?

 

[zinfamous]

"Democrats did not start the investigation" Seriously? That's disingenuous. This whole Russian Collusion thing was started by the Dems; same with obstruction of justice.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)#Original_claim_of_Russian_election_involvement

The Special Counsel rules were written in 1999 (IIRC).

Fern

I read comments like this, then remind myself that, even today, you remain a birther.

 

[soulcougher73]

LOL...
Bernie Sanders in February 2018: "The findings of Robert Mueller's investigation must be taken seriously at every level of government."


March 2019.
Reporter: "Will you accept the results of "No Collusion" from the Mueller Report?
Bernie Sanders: "NO!

Why would anyone accept blindy the words that there is no collusion from the most lying'ist man ever or people he appointed?

I have a report here that concludes that compuwiz1 is one of the dumbest people alive. Who's with me? Come one people..blindly believe my conclusion of the report!! Or...you can just make up your own mind by his posting history.

 

[Jhhnn]

I read comments like this, then remind myself that, even today, you remain a birther.

And Hillary started Birtherism! True story, bro.

Once conservatives believe in anything... well, that's it. End of subject. Hell- they still think trickle down delivers to the middle class. If they end up living in a favela, they'll just blame the Libs & the welfare moochin' job stealin' illegals.

 

[soulcougher73]

Shocked Vladimir Putin Slowly Realizing He Didn’t Conspire With Trump Campaign

‘Who The Hell Was I Working With Then?’ Asks Russian President

LOL