Spam:5-20-04 71% of Spam is coming from Servers in China

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5-20-2004 71% of Spam Servers are Located in China

According to Commtouch Software research 71% of all spam servers are located in this People Republic. "Since Jan. 1, we've seen probably a 30% to 40% increase" in spam traffic" Commtouch CEO says. BusinessWeek reports about this issue."
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I say we turn off the Main Internet Routers for inbound traffic from China. :|

3-18-2004 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;ncid=&amp;e=5&amp;u=/washpost/20040318/tc_washpost/a2279_2004mar17">Spam Driving Internet Users Away From E-mail</a>

Maybe there is hope afterall against Spam:

3-10-2004 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;ncid=&amp;e=8&amp;u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_hi_te/internet_spam_2">Internet Providers Sue Hundreds for Spam </a>

WASHINGTON - Some of the nation's largest Internet providers, in an unusual joint effort, said Wednesday they filed six lawsuits against hundreds of people who were accused of sending millions of unwanted e-mails in violation of the new U.S. law against "spam."

The legal actions by Microsoft Corp., America Online Inc., Earthlink Inc. and Yahoo! Inc., represent the first major industry actions under the "can spam" legislation that went into effect Jan. 1. The lawsuits, filed in federal courts in California, Georgia, Virginia and Washington state.

The companies said the defendants include some of the nation's most notorious large-scale spammers.

2-8-2004 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~1938412,00.html">California Man Sues Penis-enlargement Spam firms says Products do not work</a>

A California man on Thursday sued a slew of international companies, including a Greeley distributor, alleging the penis-enlargement products they market and distribute do not work.
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Is anyone tired of getting of this yet??? :confused:

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Well well well, the Nigerian E-mails weren't even from Nigeria:

1-30-2004 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=562&amp;ncid=738&amp;e=7&amp;u=/ap/20040130/ap_on_hi_te/netherlands_email_scam_busted">Dutch Police Arrest 52 in Nigerian E-Mail Scam </a>

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Dutch police have arrested 52 people suspected of defrauding gullible Internet users in one of the largest busts of the infamous "Nigerian e-mail" scam.

Also known as an "advance fee" or "419" scheme, the scammers sent spam e-mails asking for help in transferring a large sum of money out of a politically or economically troubled country, in exchange for a generous percentage.

Robert Meulenbroek, spokesman for the Amsterdam prosecutor's office, said the ring broken this week had reaped millions of euros (dollars). Recent victims included people from the United States, Japan, England, Russia, Sweden and Switzerland.

Nigeria has recently stepped up its efforts to eradicate the scam, which taints its image abroad. The Central Bank of Nigeria denies any connection to the scammers, and Nigerian agencies have been placing warning advertisements in international newspapers for years.

The scam is sometimes called a "419" fraud due to the Nigerian criminal code outlawing it.

England got it right, that Spammers must get your permission first. The U.S., Nooo, you have to replay back to every Spammer, unreal.

1-5-2004 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/ap/20040105/ap_on_hi_te/spam_suit_1">Washington Man Sues Pennysylvania Telemarketer Firm for $600,000 Over Unsolicited E-Mails </a>

HOPWOOD, Pa. - A man from Washington state has accused a western Pennsylvania telemarketer of sending him hundreds of unsolicited e-mails and has sued the company under his state's anti-spam law.


Judge throws Anti-Spam Lawsuit out. Florida Computer Techs Free to Spam:

12-30-2003 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=569&amp;ncid=738&amp;e=1&amp;u=/nm/20031230/tc_nm/tech_aol_dc">AOL Anti-Spam Lawsuit Dismissed</a>

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by AOL against a group of Florida computer technicians that the leading Internet provider charged with helping deliver spam e-mails, lawyers for the technicians said on Tuesday.


<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-4.html">12-16-2003 President Bush speech on Anti-Spam Law</a>

12-9-2003 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;ncid=&amp;e=4&amp;u=/ap/20031209/ap_on_hi_te/internet_spam">U.S. Congress OKs National Anti-Spam Bill </a>

To reply, or not to reply? The new legislation Congress approved to stem the flood of unwanted e-mails will require a fundamental change in ways that Internet users respond to overflowing inboxes.

As the deluge of unsolicited pitches offering prescription drugs and cheap loans worsened during the Internet's growth, experts have cautioned computer users against doing what comes naturally: Reply to unwanted e-mails to demand an end to them.

The reason? Unscrupulous spammers deem each such demand a verification that someone actually received their e-mails ? and promptly sent dozens more to the same address.

But the "can spam" legislation that Congress approved Monday requires unsolicited e-mails to include a mechanism so recipients could indicate they did not want future mass mailings. Computer users are being asked to ignore years of anti-spam training.

"It will require a change in behavior," acknowledged Rep. Heather Wilson, R-N.M., one of the bill's sponsors.

Some critics said the bill didn't go far enough to discourage unwanted e-mails. The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mails called the congressional effort "really disappointing." The group prefers a law requiring marketers to obtain someone's permission before sending them any e-mails. It said the alternative method of consumers asking marketers not to send them any more messages hasn't worked.

"What Congress is effectively doing is ignoring these laws that haven't worked everywhere else they've tried," said the group's spokesman, John Mozena. "This bill fails the most basic tests for anti-spam legislation; it doesn't tell anybody not to spam."



12-5-2003<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=569&amp;ncid=738&amp;e=1&amp;u=/nm/20031205/tc_nm/tech_yahoo_dc">Yahoo Proposes New Internet Anti-Spam Structure</a>

Internet services company Yahoo Inc. on Friday said it is working on technology to combat e-mail spam by changing the way the Internet works to require authentication of a message's sender.


11-19-2003 Congress thinks Taxing E-Mail will stop Spam

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/4220626.html">http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/4220626.html</a>

E-mail tax may help stop spam, Dayton says
Elizabeth Dunbar, Star Tribune Washington
Published November 19, 2003
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- If Congress is going to stop unsolicited commercial
e-mail from swamping computer users, Sen. Mark Dayton says legislators
might need to consider "a minuscule tax" on e-mail. [...]

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I missed when Italy was the first Country to adopt an Anti-Spam Law but today England has adopted an "Unlimited" Spam Law in an effort to highly discourage Spammers by hitting them where it hurts over and over. It will cost Spammers $8,000 when they are caught and they can be dragged in to Court over and over unlimited amounts of times.

This is a great first step in this battle against crap.

The article points out the biggest cuprit of the problem is in fact the U.S.

With $100,000 fines and 3 years in Jail, I'm sure there won't be any Italian Spammers.

Another indication of how the rest of the world is now on the forefront of Technology and progressing with the Internet &amp; Computers in a responsible way while the U.S. continues to be a laughing stock, reckless and focused in completely wrong directions.
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11-13-2003 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/ap/20031113/ap_on_hi_te/spam_s_new_frontiers_2">Spammers Now Clogging Blogs, Cell Phones </a>

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Spam has never been limited to e-mail. But now, commercial pitches are increasingly popping up in online chats, instant messages, cell phones with text messaging and even Web log comments.

Howard Rheingold, a futurist who predicts always-on communication will revolutionize public discourse, is worried that all these new forms of spam could freeze the revolution in its tracks.

There will be no great social transformation if cell phones are turnToday, most of the attention of lawmakers has been on e-mail spam, which is estimated to comprise nearly half of e-mail traffic. Attempts to write broader laws have not succeeded, and might whittle away at free speech.

"We ought to be legislating general concepts ? things like, you can't market to somebody who's asked you not to," said David Sorkin, a professor who studies spam laws at John Marshall Law School.
ed off, instant messenger programs shut down or blog comments disabled to halt the flow of offers for online porn or cheap drugs.

11-6-2003 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/afp/20031106/tc_afp/us_internet_spam_031106204340">US regulators target "pop-up spam" scheme using Windows loophole</a>

The FTC action targeted D Squared, claiming the company "engaged in an unfair practice by interfering with consumers' use of their computers, specifically by causing a stream of multiple, unwanted Windows Messenger Service pop-ups to appear on their computer screens."


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Originally posted by: guyver01
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5089720.html">Missouri files spam suit under new law</a>

Missouri's attorney general filed lawsuits against two alleged junk e-mailers this week, the first cases brought under the state's new antispam law.

The lawsuits, filed Wednesday in the U.S. District Court in St. Louis, charge Phillip Nixon of Palm Beach, Fla., and proprietors of the Web site Fundetective.com, of Boca Raton, Fla., with violating the law.

"Spam is the unwanted cybersalesman with its foot in your e-mail door," Attorney General Jay Nixon said in a statement. "These lawsuits to enforce Missouri's new law are a way to close that door."

The antispam legislation, enacted Aug. 28, requires that all unsolicited commercial e-mail be labeled in the subject line with the tag "ADV," for "advertisement." Adult-related content must carry the tag "ADV:ADLT." The law also prohibits marketers from sending promotions to people who have requested to receive no further e-mail communications after one instance. Penalties are $5,000 for each violation, not to exceed $25,000 per day.


The suit against Phillip Nixon claims that he sent unlabeled commercial e-mail and violated requests for no further communications. Scott Holste, spokesman for the attorney general's office, said Phillip Nixon had sent at least five messages to an e-mail box on its network. The Fundetective.com suit alleges that that operation sent unlabeled spam.

Missouri is one of about 35 states with antispam laws and is part of a movement to use legal measures to crush spammers. California enacted antispam legislation last month with the stiffest penalties of all states. That law, which goes into effect Jan. 1, allows citizens and ISPs (Internet service providers) to seek civil damages of up to $1,000 per e-mail per customer and $1 million per mass mailing.

There is no federal law on the books as of yet, but Congress is seriously considering two antispam bills, the Anti-Spam Act--reintroduced this summer--and the Reduction in Distribution of Spam Act, both of which would make it illegal to send unsolicited bulk e-mail that does not include a way for recipients to exempt themselves from future mailings.[/quote]
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9-23-2003 Hard to believe but a State has gone out on a limb and joined the Anti-Spam fight, California. Gray Davis has nothing to lose so now he decides to Champion something for the people rather than Corporations for a change.

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0151-0200/sb_186_bill_20030911_enrolled.html">Restrictions On Unsolicited Commercial E-mail</a>

Can cost a Spammer as much as $100,000 a day and up to 1 Million dollars per incident.
That ought to stop them as well as make a dent in the 37 billion dollar California budget.

Edit: 10-11-2003 Davis is gone, congrats Arnold. Hopefully Arnold will also champion such causes as the fight against Spam.

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<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/nm/20030918/wr_nm/tech_internet_spam_dc_2">UK Cracks Down on Spammers with New Privacy Law</a>

Britain on Thursday became the second country in Europe to criminalize spam, that unwanted barrage of e-mail and mobile phone text messages that promise get-rich-quick schemes, cheap home loans and a better sex life.

The unsolicited messages, which industry groups say account for more than half of all e-mails sent, have become the scourge of Internet users everywhere.

Under the new UK law, spammers face a 5,000 pound ($8,057) fine if convicted in a magistrates court. The fine from a jury trial would be unlimited. Spammers would not face prison...

Italian lawmakers imposed tough new regulations to fine spammers up to 90,000 euros ($101,600) and impose a maximum prison term of three years.

Anti-spam groups cheered the Italian law, but acknowledged it likely would do little to stop the unwanted flow of messages. The biggest spammers are based in the United States and Asia.

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9-19-2003 <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/ap/20030919/ap_on_hi_te/spam_ban&amp;cid=562&amp;ncid=716">Spammers Now Need Permission in Britain </a>

The Australian government announced even tougher plans to crack down on spam Thursday, proposing to fine those who send unsolicited messages up to A$1.1 million (US$726,000) a day
 

lozina

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AH finally some good news on this board... I tell ya, I get so many of these phony Microsoft patches and those Nigerian business opportunities a day it's unbelievable. And I can't block a certain domain because they spoof their email addresses. I can't wait until USA jumps on the bandwagon.
 

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9-23-2003 Hard to believe but a State has gone out on a limb and joined the Anti-Spam fight, California. Gray Davis has nothing to lose so now he decides to Champion something for the people rather than Corporations for a change.

Restrictions On Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

Can cost a Spammer as much as $100,000 a day and up to 1 Million dollars per incident.
That ought to stop them as well as make a dent in the 37 billion dollar California budget.
 

glenn1

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Hard to believe but a State has gone out on a limb and joined the Anti-Spam fight, California. Gray Davis has nothing to lose so now he decides to Champion something for the people rather than Corporations for a change.

Maybe he should consider making it a death-penalty eligible crime. Hell, i'd even vote for Davis then.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: guyver01
Missouri files spam suit under new law

Missouri's attorney general filed lawsuits against two alleged junk e-mailers this week, the first cases brought under the state's new antispam law.

The lawsuits, filed Wednesday in the U.S. District Court in St. Louis, charge Phillip Nixon of Palm Beach, Fla., and proprietors of the Web site Fundetective.com, of Boca Raton, Fla., with violating the law.

"Spam is the unwanted cybersalesman with its foot in your e-mail door," Attorney General Jay Nixon said in a statement. "These lawsuits to enforce Missouri's new law are a way to close that door."

The antispam legislation, enacted Aug. 28, requires that all unsolicited commercial e-mail be labeled in the subject line with the tag "ADV," for "advertisement." Adult-related content must carry the tag "ADV:ADLT." The law also prohibits marketers from sending promotions to people who have requested to receive no further e-mail communications after one instance. Penalties are $5,000 for each violation, not to exceed $25,000 per day.


The suit against Phillip Nixon claims that he sent unlabeled commercial e-mail and violated requests for no further communications. Scott Holste, spokesman for the attorney general's office, said Phillip Nixon had sent at least five messages to an e-mail box on its network. The Fundetective.com suit alleges that that operation sent unlabeled spam.

Missouri is one of about 35 states with antispam laws and is part of a movement to use legal measures to crush spammers. California enacted antispam legislation last month with the stiffest penalties of all states. That law, which goes into effect Jan. 1, allows citizens and ISPs (Internet service providers) to seek civil damages of up to $1,000 per e-mail per customer and $1 million per mass mailing.

There is no federal law on the books as of yet, but Congress is seriously considering two antispam bills, the Anti-Spam Act--reintroduced this summer--and the Reduction in Distribution of Spam Act, both of which would make it illegal to send unsolicited bulk e-mail that does not include a way for recipients to exempt themselves from future mailings.

 

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Good, but if we really want to make progress in the war against spam, were going to have to nuke Nigeria back to the stone age.
 

dmcowen674

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11-13-2003 Spammers Now Clogging Blogs, Cell Phones

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Spam has never been limited to e-mail. But now, commercial pitches are increasingly popping up in online chats, instant messages, cell phones with text messaging and even Web log comments.

Howard Rheingold, a futurist who predicts always-on communication will revolutionize public discourse, is worried that all these new forms of spam could freeze the revolution in its tracks.

There will be no great social transformation if cell phones are turnToday, most of the attention of lawmakers has been on e-mail spam, which is estimated to comprise nearly half of e-mail traffic. Attempts to write broader laws have not succeeded, and might whittle away at free speech.

"We ought to be legislating general concepts ? things like, you can't market to somebody who's asked you not to," said David Sorkin, a professor who studies spam laws at John Marshall Law School.
ed off, instant messenger programs shut down or blog comments disabled to halt the flow of offers for online porn or cheap drugs.
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It's a return of the Wild Wild West.


 

dmcowen674

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http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/4220626.html

E-mail tax may help stop spam, Dayton says
Elizabeth Dunbar, Star Tribune Washington
Published November 19, 2003
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- If Congress is going to stop unsolicited commercial
e-mail from swamping computer users, Sen. Mark Dayton says legislators
might need to consider "a minuscule tax" on e-mail. [...]

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dmcowen674

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Oh, I'm only getting bout 80 of the Penis Patch Spam a day, why not crank it up to what a billion, that will sell a ton of them for sure.
rolleye.gif


11-25-2003 Many of the largest spammers continue to use sophisticated technology to e-mail billions of messages daily

Much is at stake for marketers. For years, they blanketed consumers with junk e-mail peddling everything from pornography to get-rich-quick scams at little cost.

The bill would make spammers liable for civil fines of up to $250 per e-mail.

President Bush is expected to sign the bill into law soon.

 

dmcowen674

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Why Fed antispam law is useless, by James Maule

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:38:00 -0500
From: "James Maule" <Maule@law.villanova.edu>
To: <politech@politechbot.com>, <declan@well.com>
Subject: Re: [Politech] Congress finally poised to vote on anti-spam bill [sp]

So what happens to the guy in the Ukraine or Kazahkstan who send spam to
us? Gonna send in the troops to get him? ? ? ?

Eh, even the guy in the U.S. who's behind a smokescreen.

The sorts of folks who obey the law are probably not spamming much.

The rest are of the mentality that doesn't understand, acknowledge,
comply with, or respect the law.

Good PR for Congress, won't change the email inboxes much, if at all.

Jim Maule
Professor of Law, Villanova University School of Law
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Why Fed antispam law won't work, by Charles Platt
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:29:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Charles Platt <other@platt.us>
To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
Subject: Re: [Politech] Congress finally poised to vote on anti-spam bill [sp]

Gosh, those guys in Nigeria must really be trembling with
fear at the prospect of this antispam legislation.

I'll be amazed if EVEN ONE spam source adds valid contact
info to a message. The consequences of self-identification
would be far worse than any legal threat could be.
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Why Fed spam law is absolutely evil, by John Gilmore
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From: John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>
Subject: US antispam bill is death to anonymity
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:43:00 -0800

This bill makes it a crime to use any false or misleading information
in a domain name or email account application, and then send an email.
That would make a large fraction of hotmail users instant criminals.

It also makes it a crime to remove or alter information in message
headers in ways that would make it harder for a police officer
to determine who had sent the email. Anonymizers will be illegal
as soon as this bill becomes law.

There are MANY, MANY other things wrong with it -- including the fact
that most of its provisions apply to *ALL* commercial email, not just
BULK commercial email -- and that it takes zero account of the First
Amendment, attempting to list what topics someone can validly send
messages about, while outlawing all other topics that relate to
commercial transactions.

If it passes, I think I can make a criminal out of just about any
company. Companies are liable for spam that helps them, even if they
had no part in sending it.

Read the bill yourself:
http://news.com.com/pdf/ne/2003/FINALSPAM.pdf
And weep. And then call your Congressman.

Everyone's common sense goes out the window when the topic is spam.
They're willing to sacrifice whatever principles they have. And
you already know how few principles Congress had left.

John

http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-1024_3-5110622.html

Congress Poised for Vote on Anti-Spam Bill
Declan McCullagh
Published: November 21, 2003

Congress has reached an agreement on antispam legislation and could
vote on it as early as Friday afternoon, a move that would end more
than six years of failed attempts to enact a federal law restricting
unsolicited commercial e-mail.

Negotiators from the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives said
Friday that the legislation was a "historic" accomplishment with
support from key Democrats and Republicans in both chambers. "For the
first time during the Internet-era, American consumers will have the
ability to say no to spam," House Energy and Commerce Committee
Chairman Billy Tauzin, R-La., said in a statement. [...]

If the measure becomes law, certain forms of spam will be officially
legalized. The final bill says spammers may send as many "commercial
electronic mail messages" as they like--as long as the messages are
obviously advertisements with a valid U.S. postal address or P.O. box
and an unsubscribe link at the bottom. Junk e-mail essentially would
be treated like junk postal mail, with nonfraudulent e-mail legalized
until the recipient chooses to unsubscribe. [...]

One hotly contested dispute has been resolved: The bill would pre-empt
more restrictive state laws, including one that California enacted in
September. That law established an opt-in standard and was scheduled
to take effect on Jan. 1. With final passage of this bill, the core of
California's law would never take effect. [...]
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dmcowen674

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Why the Fed spam law is probably pretty problematic after all

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From: "Sanford Olson" <solson@mailbag.com>
To: "Declan McCullagh" <declan@well.com>
References: <20031121161312.A519@baltwash.com>
Subject: Re: [Politech] Congress finally poised to vote on anti-spam bill [sp]
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:46 -0600

Hi Declan,

I'm no lawyer, and that is certainly a long document with all kinds of
legalese..

But, my concern is "...as long as the messages are obviously advertisements
with a valid U.S. postal address or P.O. box
and an unsubscribe link at the bottom."

- Most spam *messages* are already obviously advertisements. They just
have misleading/misspelled subject lines.

- Whose valid U.S. postal address? Anyone's? "1600 Pennsylvania Ave" is a
good one to use.

- Most spam already has an unsubscribe link at the bottom, but it is just
used by the spammers to learn that the e-mail address was a good one and
that the receipient is gullible.

Regards,
Sanford Olson

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:05 -0600
To: hclp@yahoogroups.com, Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
From: Parks <parks@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: [Politech] Congress finally poised to vote on anti-spam bill
[sp]

Is this the "camel's nose under the tent" end of internet anonymity, where
the government ultimately requires everyone to have a valid internet
account veified with a biometrioc ID?

A "valid U.S. postal address or P.O. box" now reqiires an ID - thanks to
CONgress.

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:21:58 -0800
To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
From: Steve Schear <s.schear@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Politech] Congress finally poised to vote on anti-spam
bill [sp]
Cc: cypherpunks@lne.com, asrg@ietf.org

At 04:13 PM 11/21/2003 -0600, Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> wrote:
>A copy of the bill is here:
>http://news.com.com/pdf/ne/2003/FINALSPAM.pdf

I interpret paragraph 1037(a)1 - 5 as possibly prohibiting the use of
anonymous remailers, or proxies and nyms in registering email accounts, for
the purpose of commercial speech.

steve

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:18 -0800 (PST)
From: hypatia popol <heartofhearts2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Politech] Congress finally poised to vote on anti-spam bill [sp]
To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>

I'm sorry Declan, I really don't see the difference than what spam I get
now. I would have to open 20 to 40 spams a day and say "unsubscribe" which
takes a long time the way they have it spamming me now. What is the
difference? I don't know, I just don't see how it will help anything and I
am in California.


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Why Fed spam bill is a "critical law," from America Online
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AMERICA ONLINE, AN INDUSTRY LEADER IN THE FIGHT FOR TOUGHER ANTI-SPAM LAWS,
APPLAUDS BIPARTISAN CONGRESSIONAL AGREEMENT AND ACTION ON TOUGH NEW SPAM LAWS

Dulles, VA - November 21, 2003 - America Online, Inc., the world's leading
interactive services company, today issued the following statement
concerning the bipartisan agreement on Federal anti-spam legislation (S.
877) that is being adopted by Congress:

"On behalf of our members, AOL applauds this bipartisan agreement on the
CAN-SPAM ACT legislation, and is pleased that it will soon be sent to the
President. This law will be a significant weapon for the online industry in
the ongoing fight to can the spam and thwart the spam kingpins. This is a
critical new law that will help us turn the tide against spam in the online
medium for good.

"This bill provides meaningful tools to law enforcement and Internet
Service Providers to hold spammers accountable for their actions. We're
very pleased that the tough enforcement provisions in this new Federal
legislation will allow enforcement efforts to pursue the most egregious
spammers who use the worst kind of spamming techniques to send the most
offensive and unwanted email to our members. The legislation targets the
state-of-the-art computer fraud techniques used by spammers, and provides
for strong criminal and financial penalties."

About America Online, Inc.

America Online, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Time Warner Inc. Based
in Dulles, Virginia, America Online is the world's leader in interactive
services, web brands, Internet technologies and e-commerce services.

For More Information, Contact:

Nicholas Graham, AOL Corporate Communications,

703-863-3373 (cell)
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Why Fed spam bill is amazingly great, by Congress
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Saturday, November 22, 2003

CONTACT: Ken Johnson or Vikki Ehrlich
202-225-5735

Tauzin Applauds House Passage
Of Historic Anti-Spam Bill

Washington (November 22) - After House Energy and Commerce Committee
Chairman Billy Tauzin (R-LA) announced yesterday that an historic agreement
had been reached on anti-spam legislation, the U.S. House of
Representatives today approved S. 877, the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003, by a vote
of 392-5. This bipartisan and bicameral legislation will allow millions of
Americans the ability to block unwanted and unsolicited commercial e-mail.

Assisting Chairman Tauzin in reaching a sweeping anti-SPAM agreement were
House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), Energy and
Commerce Committee ranking member John Dingell (D-MI), Senator John McCain
(R-AZ), Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT), Senator Ernest Hollings (D-SC),
Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), Rep. Richard Burr (R-NC),
Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM), Rep. Gene Green (D-TX) and Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA).

"For the first time during the Internet-era, American consumers will have
the ability to say no to SPAM. What's more, parents will be able to breath
easier knowing that they have the ability to prevent pornographic SPAM from
reaching defenseless, unsuspecting children," said Chairman
Tauzin. "Although the Internet has given us abilities beyond our wildest
dreams, it has also produced endless headaches with all of the crippling
congestion SPAM causes to computers every day throughout this
country. Today's agreement could end all of that nonsense and bring peace
of mind back to everyone who sends and receives e-mail."

"This is a watershed moment for this Congress. After many years of fits
and starts, we are closer than ever to responding to our constituents' plea
for help in protecting their inboxes from a flood of annoying junk e-mail
and - more disturbingly - the offensive smut," said Rep. Upton. "Efforts
in the last couple of Congresses have fallen short, but we are now
approaching the finish line."

"Although no single piece of legislation will ultimately solve the SPAM
problem, this bill is an important first step toward allowing consumers to
retake their inboxes from the flood of unwanted email," said Rep. Burr.

"Unwanted emails will no longer be unavoidable, and consumers will now have
recourse," said Rep. Wilson. "This legislation includes steps to protect
people from pornographic content they do not want to see, and curb the
worst intrusions of spammers. The bill gives law enforcement the authority
to crack down on violators."

"Spam is overloading personal accounts and networks, and it's getting worse
everyday," said Rep. Green. "This bill fights back against spammers."

"Spam to a desktop computer is bad enough, but at least a consumer can turn
off their computer and walk away," said Rep. Ed Markey. "Wireless spam
received over your mobile phone follows you wherever you go. This bill
will, for the first time, reach this rising menace."

Specifically, the anti-SPAM agreement:

Empowers American consumers with the right to opt-out of all
unwanted and unsolicited commercial e-mail or SPAM.

Provides the FTC with the authority to set up a "Do-Not-SPAM"
registry based on Chairman Tauzin's work on the "Do-Not-Call" registry for
unwanted and unsolicited telemarketing telephone calls.

Grants the strongest available protection for parents and consumers
to say "no" to the receipt of pornographic SPAM.

Makes it a crime, subject to five years in prison, to send
fraudulent SPAM.
Allows the FTC and state attorneys general the ability to vigorously
enforce the laws contained in the anti-SPAM legislation.

Enforces statutory damages of $2 million for violations, tripled to
$6 million for intentional violations, and unlimited damages for fraud and
abuse.

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FOR IMMEDIATE
RELEASE CONTACT: Israel Klein

November 21,
2003
or Colin Crowell
(202) 225-2836

CONSUMERS PROTECTED FROM SPAM
ON E-MAIL AND CELL PHONES

Markey Provision to Stop Spamming on Cell Phones Added to Bill

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA), the ranking
Democrat on the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and Internet,
applauded the anticipated passage of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003, S. 877 by
the House this evening. This bill, which includes a provision from Rep.
Markey to thwart the ability of marketers to send Spam messages directly to
consumers on their cell phones and other wireless devices, prevents
deceptive marketing practices in e-mail and authorizes the creation of a
national do-not-spam registry.

Rep. Markey stated, "Spam to a desktop computer is bad enough, but at least
a consumer can turn off their computer and walk away. Wireless spam
received over your mobile phone follows you wherever you go. This bill
will, for the first time, reach this rising menace."

"Unsolicited wireless text messages have plagued wireless users in Europe,
South Korea, and Japan over the last few years as wireless companies in
such countries have offered wireless messaging services," Rep. Markey
continued. "In Japan alone, NTT DoCoMo estimates that its wireless network
processes some 800 million wireless spam messages a day."

The CAN-SPAM Act of 2003:
Requires the FCC to promulgate rules in order to put strong consumer
protections on the books.

Requires the FCC to consider certain provisions with an eye toward
assessing the unique capabilities or limitations of wireless devices.

Will allow the FCC to promulgate rules requiring a consumer "opt-in" for
wireless email messages while examining the nature of a consumer's
relationship with their wireless phone and service, and to take into
account the unique service and technical characteristics that may warrant
wireless-specific rules affecting consumer and carrier rights and
obligations.

The wireless spam provision would also require "express prior
authorization" from the consumer before an entity could send spam to their
wireless device.

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12-5-2003Yahoo Proposes New Internet Anti-Spam Structure

Internet services company Yahoo Inc. on Friday said it is working on technology to combat e-mail spam by changing the way the Internet works to require authentication of a message's sender.

One of the core problems with spam is we don't know, Yahoo doesn't know, the user doesn't know ... if it really came from the party who it says it came from," Brad Garlinghouse, vice president for communication products at Yahoo, told Reuters. "What we're proposing here is to re-engineer the way the Internet works with regard to the authentication of e-mail."

SpamCon's Barrett cautioned, though, that implementation would not be without its costs.

"It's a good approach for those that are willing to use it," he said. "Any kind of cryptographic solution is going to involve some computing overhead, and that's not cheap."
 

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Not only is this not going to work, it will effectivley turn E-mail off by making it useless.

Currently I get at least 200 Spam E-mails a day. This Law says I must reply to each and every one of these E-mails telling the originator I do not want their Spam. There is no limit on how many addresses that very same Originator can then turn around and send more of the same crap. So potentially there could be millions of E-mails coming to every E-mail address and expected to reply back to each and every one. Another clear example the Politicials are total Technological IDIOTS and have no business passing Technology issues.


12-9-2003 U.S. Congress OKs National Anti-Spam Bill

To reply, or not to reply? The new legislation Congress approved to stem the flood of unwanted e-mails will require a fundamental change in ways that Internet users respond to overflowing inboxes.

As the deluge of unsolicited pitches offering prescription drugs and cheap loans worsened during the Internet's growth, experts have cautioned computer users against doing what comes naturally: Reply to unwanted e-mails to demand an end to them.

The reason? Unscrupulous spammers deem each such demand a verification that someone actually received their e-mails ? and promptly sent dozens more to the same address.

But the "can spam" legislation that Congress approved Monday requires unsolicited e-mails to include a mechanism so recipients could indicate they did not want future mass mailings. Computer users are being asked to ignore years of anti-spam training.

"It will require a change in behavior," acknowledged Rep. Heather Wilson, R-N.M., one of the bill's sponsors.

Some critics said the bill didn't go far enough to discourage unwanted e-mails. The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mails called the congressional effort "really disappointing." The group prefers a law requiring marketers to obtain someone's permission before sending them any e-mails. It said the alternative method of consumers asking marketers not to send them any more messages hasn't worked.

"What Congress is effectively doing is ignoring these laws that haven't worked everywhere else they've tried," said the group's spokesman, John Mozena. "This bill fails the most basic tests for anti-spam legislation; it doesn't tell anybody not to spam."


 

Gaard

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Title of this thread - U.S. makes Law everyone must reply back to every Spam E-mail is untrue.

This statement by Dave - This Law says I must reply to each and every one of these E-mails telling the originator I do not want their Spam is untrue.


This paragraph - "But the "can spam" legislation that Congress approved Monday requires unsolicited e-mails to include a mechanism so recipients could indicate they did not want future mass mailings. Computer users are being asked to ignore years of anti-spam training" reminds me of the spam I used to receive. It included a linked address that if I clicked on it and sent a blank e-mail I would automatically be removed from their list.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Title of this thread - U.S. makes Law everyone must reply back to every Spam E-mail is untrue.

This statement by Dave - This Law says I must reply to each and every one of these E-mails telling the originator I do not want their Spam is untrue.


This paragraph - "But the "can spam" legislation that Congress approved Monday requires unsolicited e-mails to include a mechanism so recipients could indicate they did not want future mass mailings. Computer users are being asked to ignore years of anti-spam training" reminds me of the spam I used to receive. It included a linked address that if I clicked on it and sent a blank e-mail I would automatically be removed from their list.

So having to click and send back (even though blank) is not a reply in your definition?

 

Gaard

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So having to click and send back (even though blank) is not a reply in your definition?>>


That's the point Dave. I didn't 'have' to do it. Nor does this bill (is it law yet?) say everyone 'must' reply to spam. Maybe you could add 'in order to be removed from the list' from you title and statement?
 

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So having to click and send back (even though blank) is not a reply in your definition?

OK, I'm biting my tongue.

Dave, it's the "must" part he takes issue with. This legislation does not force anyone to reply to spam, only that spammers must include a vehicle to have someone removed from their spam lists.

For god's sake.................
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Corn

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Maybe you could add 'in order to be removed from the list' from you title and statement?

Now why on earth would he correct another bogus thread title when he hasn't done it on any other of his bogus threads?

For a moment I thought that Dave is simply a moron, incapable of comprehending what he reads and even what he writes.

However, I'm starting to see a pattern with him. I believe he intentionally misrepresents his thread titles to get people to post in these "mega-threads". Why? Self-importance? Ego?

Dunno, don't really care.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Gaard
<<
So having to click and send back (even though blank) is not a reply in your definition?>>


That's the point Dave. I didn't 'have' to do it. Nor does this bill (is it law yet?) say everyone 'must' reply to spam. Maybe you could add 'in order to be removed from the list' from you title and statement?

'in order to be removed from the list' . That makes SPAM LEGAL and your inbox will flow over such big time you have NO chance of stopping it because the senders will have a gazillion valid adresses to SPAM you with.

 

Gaard

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Do we get ....
"Yeah, you're right Gaard. The way the title is worded it's misleading. I'll change it."

No, we get...
"'in order to be removed from the list' . That makes SPAM LEGAL and your inbox will flow over such big time you have NO chance of stopping it because the senders will have a gazillion valid adresses to SPAM you with."


You're right Mr Doom-n-Gloom. The law says I 'have' to respond to spam. Carry on.