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Spain's Troops Will Leave Iraq

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Ornery

Lifer
First of all, what does Al-Qa'ida care what happens to Iraq, since there were no ties after all?

Secondly, what kind of mental midgets have they voted into power over there? 😕

I would have added this question to this thread, but it's so completely fvcked up with nested quotes, I refuse to be a part of it!
 
Nice choices on the voting Ornery. Why not stack the deck? How about a third alternative? Government should pay more attention to the will of the people or suffer the consequences. The Spanish population, as opposed to the government was overwhelming against involvement in Iraq.

I must say that the two "alternatives" you posted are the stupidist I've ever seen in a poll.
 
Making a poll 'fair' regarding terrorism, is like making a poll 'fair' regarding pedophilia, although I suppose some folks around here would try.
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More than 90 percent of Spaniards opposed the war and Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's decision to support the U.S. attack on Iraq. Zapatero today called the war and occupation of Iraq a ``disaster,'' as evidence mounted that al-Qaeda carried out Thursday's bombings in revenge for Spanish support for the war.

``I disagreed with the military intervention,'' he said at a Madrid press conference. ``Time has shown that the arguments for the war weren't justified. The occupation of Iraq has been managed poorly.''
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"Zapatero today called the war and occupation of Iraq a ``disaster,'' as evidence mounted that al-Qaeda carried out Thursday's bombings in revenge for Spanish support for the war."

Yeah, we better let al-Qaeda have their way, or God knows what else they'll do!
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BTW, WTF does al-Qaeda care what happens in Iraq? 😕
 
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Zapatero today called the war and occupation of Iraq a ``disaster,'' as evidence mounted that al-Qaeda carried out Thursday's bombings in revenge for Spanish support for the war."

Yeah, we better let al-Qaeda have their way, or God knows what else they'll do!
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BTW, WTF does al-Qaeda care what happens in Iraq? 😕
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Al Qaeda wants the U.S. presence and influence out of the Middle East and a Palestinian homeland. Bush keeping a strong U.S. presence in Iraq is ammunition for their cause.

BTW, the last portion of the sentence you quoted has nothing to do with Zapatero's opinion. He has opposed Spain's support of the U.S.-led war on Iraq (along with 90% of Spain's population.)
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
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so the more terroist attacks the better the job at stopping terrorism is going, nice logic
 
the US led intervention in Iraq will just create another timebomb for the West

the moment western troops leave Iraq you will see a civil war and the real possibility that the Shia (sp?) majority will install a fundamentalist regime just like in Iran

the violence and clashes you see for the moment in Iraq will be nothing compared to that

nice job Dubya:beer:
 
If you run away with your tail between your legs, because of a terrorist attack, you're sending a message that terrorism is the best way to achieve your ends. Capitulating to the demands of terrorists is the most retarded policy... EVER!
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
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so the more terroist attacks the better the job at stopping terrorism is going, nice logic
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Afghanistan was never attacked. So they were doing the best job at combating terrorism? Nice logic.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
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tell that to the 200 deaths and 1200 wounded in Madrid

I bet that they will appreciate your comment

 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
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so the more terroist attacks the better the job at stopping terrorism is going, nice logic
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Afghanistan was never attacked. So they were doing the best job at combating terrorism? Nice logic.
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what?
 
"...the moment western troops leave Iraq you will see a civil war and the real possibility that the Shia (sp?) majority will install a fundamentalist regime just like in Iran"

Not a problem. We'll just bomb the sh|t out of their trade centers and innocent civilians, and threaten to continue if they don't do things our way. Seems to be a perfectly acceptable means to an end for half of this board.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
BTW, WTF does al-Qaeda care what happens in Iraq? 😕
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Well, it's like this. Al-Qaeda might have disliked hussein, but they hate the US (and anyone who allies themselves with it) and since spain allied themselves with the US against them in the war on terror (No, I'm not talking about Iraq here, I'm talking about BEFORE the Iraq war) they became a target. The fact that spain supported the US in Iraq is irrelavant really (And anyone who thinks otherwise, hasn't been paying attension 😛), since they would have attacked them anyway, sooner or later. What the Iraq war might have done however is give Bin Laden and his band of loonies more incentive to attack them. You know, yet another county for them to whine about and blow things/themselves up over.

So, basicly, Al-Qaeda wanted Hussein gone, but not replaced by the US or any of its (as they call it) puppet regimes. That's what they "Care" about in regards to Iraq.

Hope that answers your question.

Now, as for people (spanish or otherwise) thinking that pulling out of Iraq will make them any less of a target, well, they're wrong. They became targets the moment they supported the US in the WoT (again, this support started before Iraq). It's to late now.

P.S: I was against the war in Iraq (No, not against the war on terror), not that it matters now.
 
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
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tell that to the 200 deaths and 1200 wounded in Madrid

I bet that they will appreciate your comment
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Why don't you tell them that they died or were wounded by the same terrorists the government is now giving in to?
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
Click to expand...

tell that to the 200 deaths and 1200 wounded in Madrid

I bet that they will appreciate your comment
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Why don't you tell them that they died or were wounded by the same terrorists the government is now giving in to?
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hey, it's you that is claiming that the fight against terrorism is going well because they just killed 200 people

it seems to me that the Spanish people realize that they were a prime target for Islam terrorism because of their involvement in Iraq. I don't say that it can't happen in Paris or Brussels but Spain was sure high on the list of countries to attack because of their support for the Dubs illegal holy crusade in Iraq.
90% of the Spaniards was against the war to begin with. Aznar and his lapdogs got what they deserved, a swift kick in the a$$ in the elections. They tried to deceive the Spanish public opinion by stating all the time that ETA was responsible for the bombing but the Spaniard saw right through it :beer:

the "coalitian of the willing and the bribed is falling apart". Maybe Dubya can do a formal request to Micronesia and Mongolia for troops to replace the Spanish forces
 
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The fact that terrorists targeted Spain for their support of the Iraq war SHOULD have been a sign that what they were doing was right. If terrorists are unhappy with you, you know what you're doing is to their detriment. I bet most of you free thinkers missed that, didn't you.
Click to expand...

tell that to the 200 deaths and 1200 wounded in Madrid

I bet that they will appreciate your comment
Click to expand...

Why don't you tell them that they died or were wounded by the same terrorists the government is now giving in to?
Click to expand...

hey, it's you that is claiming that the fight against terrorism is going well because they just killed 200 people

it seems to me that the Spanish people realize that they were a prime target for Islam terrorism because of their involvement in Iraq. I don't say that it can't happen in Paris or Brussels but Spain was sure high on the list of countries to attack because of their support for the Dubs illegal holy crusade in Iraq.
90% of the Spaniards was against the war to begin with. Aznar and his lapdogs got what they deserved, a swift kick in the a$$ in the elections. They tried to deceive the Spanish public opinion by stating all the time that ETA was responsible for the bombing but the Spaniard saw right through it :beer:

the "coalitian of the willing and the bribed is falling apart". Maybe Dubya can do a formal request to Micronesia and Mongolia for troops to replace the Spanish forces
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That's idiotic. Why doesn't Spain become a fundamentalist Islamic state and end any possibility of further terrorist attacks? Once you know what the terrorists want you to do, you need to do the opposite. Think about it.
 
Spain also said they'd stay in Iraq if the UN became involved. So THEN they'd think it was just? Can't they make up their own minds? WTF?
 
No matter what side of the Iraq issue you are on, no matter what your opinion is on the connection with Iraq and terrorist before the war, one thing is for sure, Iraq is now the front on the war on terrorism. This was a clear victory for terrorist and a major blow on the war against them. Their tactics worked in Spain and will only bring more attacks. The Spanish have every right to elect a new government, but the former elected government set them on a course that if stopped premature will embolden the scumbags that have no problem targeting women and children if they feel it supports there agenda.
Remember that Islamic terrorists hate us for what/who we are and how we live not for anything we have done.
They don?t want us to leave the Middle East alone, they want to change us to be like them.
This is a religious war to them; appeasement will not stop a religious zealot.
 
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