SPACE FORCE! SPACE FORCE! SPACE FORCE!

[GoodRevrnd]

 

[Darwin333]

Ok seriously, I'll tell you what the issue really is. Trump is scared shittless of aliens, first the illegal earth-born kind and now the illegal extraterrestrial kind. Gotta keep those illegals out at every possible entry point!

 

[sandorski]

Pence nailed it!

 

[Alpha One Seven]

NASA is the space force.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

It should be Pluto and beyond, since Pluto is farther out.

 

[wiyakpa]

Maybe instead of talking crap you should look at facts we have had some form of this for over 30 years but facts are not what you seem to be interested in

Air Force Space Command

afspc.af.mil

Air Force Space Command, sometimes referred to informally as U.S. Space Command, is a major command of the United States Air Force, with its headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado. AFSPC supports U.S. military operations worldwide through the use of many different types of satellite, launch and cyber operations. Operationally, AFSPC is an Air Force component command subordinate to U.S. Strategic Command, a unified combatant command. It is the primary space force for the U.S. Armed Forces.More at Wikipedia

Active:1 September 1982–present

Branch:This article incorporates public domain material from the United States Air Force website of agency test->

Type:Major Command

Role:"To provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

Size:19,944 airmen

Part of:U.S. Strategic Command, U.S. Cyber Command

Headquarterseterson Air Force Base, Colorado, U.S.

Motto(s):"Guardians of the High Frontier"

Decorations:Air Force Organization Excellence Award

Commander:Gen John W. Raymond

Deputy Commander:Maj Gen Robert J. Skinner

Command Chief:CCM Brendan I. Criswell

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[renz20003]

Maybe instead of talking crap you should look at facts we have had some form of this for over 30 years but facts are not what you seem to be interested in

Air Force Space Command

afspc.af.mil

Air Force Space Command, sometimes referred to informally as U.S. Space Command, is a major command of the United States Air Force, with its headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado. AFSPC supports U.S. military operations worldwide through the use of many different types of satellite, launch and cyber operations. Operationally, AFSPC is an Air Force component command subordinate to U.S. Strategic Command, a unified combatant command. It is the primary space force for the U.S. Armed Forces.More at Wikipedia

Active:1 September 1982–present

Branch:This article incorporates public domain material from the United States Air Force website of agency test->

Type:Major Command

Role:"To provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

Size:19,944 airmen

Part of:U.S. Strategic Command, U.S. Cyber Command

Headquarterseterson Air Force Base, Colorado, U.S.

Motto(s):"Guardians of the High Frontier"

Decorations:Air Force Organization Excellence Award

Commander:Gen John W. Raymond

Deputy Commander:Maj Gen Robert J. Skinner

Command Chief:CCM Brendan I. Criswell

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[Darwin333]

NASA is the space force.

No, that would be the Air Force.

 

[Darwin333]

It should be Pluto and beyond, since Pluto is farther out.

Woooooosh, that went over your head.

Besides, Pluto isn't even a planet anymore.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Maybe instead of talking crap you should look at facts we have had some form of this for over 30 years but facts are not what you seem to be interested in

Air Force Space Command

afspc.af.mil

Air Force Space Command, sometimes referred to informally as U.S. Space Command, is a major command of the United States Air Force, with its headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado. AFSPC supports U.S. military operations worldwide through the use of many different types of satellite, launch and cyber operations. Operationally, AFSPC is an Air Force component command subordinate to U.S. Strategic Command, a unified combatant command. It is the primary space force for the U.S. Armed Forces.More at Wikipedia

Active:1 September 1982–present

Branch:This article incorporates public domain material from the United States Air Force website of agency test->

Type:Major Command

Role:"To provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

Size:19,944 airmen

Part of:U.S. Strategic Command, U.S. Cyber Command

Headquarterseterson Air Force Base, Colorado, U.S.

Motto(s):"Guardians of the High Frontier"

Decorations:Air Force Organization Excellence Award

Commander:Gen John W. Raymond

Deputy Commander:Maj Gen Robert J. Skinner

Command Chief:CCM Brendan I. Criswell

 

[Mayne]

 

[Mayne]

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Gotta love how it has the ring on the finger as well just for emphasis.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Woooooosh, that went over your head.

Besides, Pluto isn't even a planet anymore.

Where did it say Pluto was a planet? I said it was more distant from the sun, if you don't believe it google it yourself.

No, that would be the Air Force.

No, NASA is NOT the Air Force, it is a separate entity that does share a lot of resources with the Air Force.

 

[Darwin333]

Where did it say Pluto was a planet? I said it was more distant from the sun, if you don't believe it google it yourself.

Well yes it is more distant from the sun, a lot of other objects are even farther so why not name them? And me thinks you still don't get the joke but that's ok.

No, NASA is NOT the Air Force, it is a separate entity that does share a lot of resources with the Air Force.

I have read absolutely nothing that says the Space Force will be taking over NASA. NASA doesn't even launch the military's satellites anymore, private contractors do that. Sure they provide the infrastructure and maybe a little help but otherwise NASA has zero military objectives. Why would we ever want to roll them up into a branch of the military? NASA's objectives are largely pure science, how do you square that with whatever military military objective the Space force will have?

The Air Force currently handles all of our military space assets.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Well yes it is more distant from the sun, a lot of other objects are even farther so why not name them? And me thinks you still don't get the joke but that's ok.




I have read absolutely nothing that says the Space Force will be taking over NASA. NASA doesn't even launch the military's satellites anymore, private contractors do that. Sure they provide the infrastructure and maybe a little help but otherwise NASA has zero military objectives. Why would we ever want to roll them up into a branch of the military? NASA's objectives are largely pure science, how do you square that with whatever military military objective the Space force will have?

The Air Force currently handles all of our military space assets.

NASA was an offshoot from the Air Force, why would you want to re-integrate it?
ARPA, which later became DARPA was the branch that develops space tech for military use. It was created in Feb., 1958, NASA was created in July that year on the 29th, it just had it's birthday last month.

 

[Red Squirrel]

All jokes aside this feels so much like science fiction. I don't know if it's cool, or scary. I imagine most targets will be unmanned, such as satellites, but it does set a potentially dangerous precedent depending on who they plan to attack. Ex: if they were to attack north korean satellites, NK could retaliate by striking the ISS.

The good news is I imagine we will see some pretty crazy advancements as far as rocketry and thrust goes. If there's one motive to making new tech, it's war.

 

[Darwin333]

NASA was an offshoot from the Air Force, why would you want to re-integrate it?
ARPA, which later became DARPA was the branch that develops space tech for military use. It was created in Feb., 1958, NASA was created in July that year on the 29th, it just had it's birthday last month.

DARPA does do pure science but it does so in the advancement of the defense which is military. It says so right in their name, the D stands for DEFENSE. NASA has never had any such mission much less put in their name.

 

[Darwin333]

All jokes aside this feels so much like science fiction. I don't know if it's cool, or scary. I imagine most targets will be unmanned, such as satellites, but it does set a potentially dangerous precedent depending on who they plan to attack. Ex: if they were to attack north korean satellites, NK could retaliate by striking the ISS.

The good news is I imagine we will see some pretty crazy advancements as far as rocketry and thrust goes. If there's one motive to making new tech, it's war.

We start attacking satellites and they start attacking ours and then the debris field literally shuts all of us out of space. So.... win?

 

[Red Squirrel]

We start attacking satellites and they start attacking ours and then the debris field literally shuts all of us out of space. So.... win?

Yeah I imagine it will only take a couple major strikes to cause a ridiculous amount of flying debris, which will hit other things, and just cascade. The whole idea of having any kind of military/war activities in space just seems like such a bad idea to me.

 

[BoomerD]

So...is Trump gonna depend on the Russians to send out Space Force into space to defend US satellites against Russian attack?

How long would it take the US to ramp up launch capabilities, let alone actual space craft that the Space Marines would fly around in, doing battle?

 

[Red Squirrel]

So...is Trump gonna depend on the Russians to send out Space Force into space to defend US satellites against Russian attack?

How long would it take the US to ramp up launch capabilities, let alone actual space craft that the Space Marines would fly around in, doing battle?

Probably go through SpaceX, though I could see Lockheed Martin being interested in just buying out SpaceX as they are already heavily involved with the US military.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah I imagine it will only take a couple major strikes to cause a ridiculous amount of flying debris, which will hit other things, and just cascade. The whole idea of having any kind of military/war activities in space just seems like such a bad idea to me.

Yup, it's called the Kessler syndrome

"The Kessler syndrome is troublesome because of the domino effect and feedback runaway wherein impacts between objects of sizable mass spall off debris from the force of "collision. The shrapnel can then hit other objects, producing even more space debris: if a large enough collision or explosion were to occur, such as between a space station and a defunct satellite, or as the result of hostile actions in space, then the resulting debris cascade could make prospects for long-term viability of satellites in low earth orbit extremely low"

We'd lose most satellites in low earth orbit and wouldn't be able to launch anymore into LEO until we figured out how to clean up the massive debris field which would take a very very long time. Losing LEO would be devastating as that is where most of the satellites we use on a daily basis reside along with the ISS and the Hubble Telescope. Something like 1,100 active commercial and government satellites in LEO. The majority of those government satellites, at least for the US, are science satellites operated by NASA.

Then there is the issue of who the hell would want to launch anything beyond LEO if there is a chance some foreign government might shoot your rocket/payload down?

 

[Alpha One Seven]

DARPA does do pure science but it does so in the advancement of the defense which is military. It says so right in their name, the D stands for DEFENSE. NASA has never had any such mission much less put in their name.

You read what I wrote, well done.

 

[Darwin333]

You read what I wrote, well done.

Yes, I did. You still haven't said why NASA should be rolled into a new branch of the military? Are we going to start sending up astronauts with guns now? I mean currently there are only 6 people in space so one dude with a gun could take over all that shit. Other than that it's just military satellites and as I said, the Air Force already does a great job at handling those. Best case is we'd take all of the people from the Air Force that currently work in their Space portion (they have a name but I can't recall) and move them to the new Space Force and pay a bunch more money to get the same shit done.