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Londo_Jowo

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The point is other countries have a strategy to bring broadband to as many people as possible as affordably as possible. US has a strategy of maximizing profits of one or two providers in each area that buy politicians along the way.

It's obvious you haven't been to any of these countries as they're no better than the US in the rural areas.
 

nehalem256

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The point is other countries have a strategy to bring broadband to as many people as possible as affordably as possible. US has a strategy of maximizing profits of one or two providers in each area that buy politicians along the way.

They appear to have a policy of giving people insane amounts of bandwidth that no one has any use for.

How is giving people things they have no use for an efficient use of resources?:confused:
 

Londo_Jowo

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He didn't say anything about 'rural'.

How does a country "have a strategy to bring broadband to as many people as possible as affordably as possible." if this doesn't include those who live in rural areas? Also many people in these countries utilize prepaid plans rather than postpaid plans as they can't afford the later.
 

Engineer

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How does a country "have a strategy to bring broadband to as many people as possible as affordably as possible." if this doesn't include those who live in rural areas? Also many people in these countries utilize prepaid plans rather than postpaid plans as they can't afford the later.

He simply said as many 'areas' as affordably as possible. If rural areas are affordable at the highest speed technology, they get it. Otherwise, they get the best that can be afforded at the time and upgraded after the fact. Regardless, majorities of people live in urban areas that are not as difficult to bring better broadband too.

By the way, you must not have been to many rural parts of the US to see how bad it is. There are parts of KY that don't get anything except satellite broadband and it's expensive and very slow (and has daily caps). They cannot reliably get cellular service much less any type of data speed.
 
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glenn1

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He simply said as many 'areas' as affordably as possible. If rural areas are affordable at the highest speed technology, they get it. Otherwise, they get the best that can be afforded at the time and upgraded after the fact. Regardless, majorities of people live in urban areas that are not as difficult to bring better broadband too.

By the way, you must not have been to many rural parts of the US to see how bad it is. There are parts of KY that don't get anything except satellite broadband and it's expensive and very slow (and has daily caps). They cannot reliably get cellular service much less any type of data speed.

Infrastructure of all kinds is typically poor in remote rural areas since the costs of extending it that far make no economic sense.

And I suppose it never occurred to you to question *why* faster broadband service isn't being extended in high density urban areas and why infrastructure of all kinds is so deficient in most American cities.
 

Atreus21

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It is no defense of government power to say that it can quickly do by brute force what the market slowly does by natural tendency.
 

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Infrastructure of all kinds is typically poor in remote rural areas since the costs of extending it that far make no economic sense.

And I suppose it never occurred to you to question *why* faster broadband service isn't being extended in high density urban areas and why infrastructure of all kinds is so deficient in most American cities.

I've read enough to know that it's power of the current ISP's to lobby (i.e. bribe) the government enough to cut off competition. It's as plain as that. No competition = no need to upgrade and it's cheaper to lobby than to have competition. Hell, San Antonio already has a fully laid fiber network and can't use it because the local ISP successfully lobbied the government to block its' usage for consumer broadband in the city.
 

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The evolution of mobile broadbands has been huge. A few years ago I had mobile broadband which usually reached 5-8 Mbps download and slightly lower upload speeds, now I can get a 150Mbps no data-cap for less than 20 euros a month, USB-modem included. There's fierce competition between the operators and prices are going down all the time. That's less than I'm paying for my 30MBps cable and way less than 100/100Mbps fibre connection which is 72 euros a month. The downsides of mobile broadband are high ping when gaming and the speed drops to 42 or 21 Mpbs when leaving the town. Also those are theoretical maximums.

I live in an area with a population density of 3,27/km2 or 8,2/sq mile(?) (Less than Canada) and we're building new fibre optic connections even in small towns of 2 500 people. Not every rural area is as lucky. Many rural areas are stuck with mobile broadband which luckily reaches speeds of 21 Mbps in every inhabitated part of the country. In many rural areas ISPs aren't bothering building high speed land connections even with government subsidies because there's no profit to be made. Understandable.
 

mikegg

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The evolution of mobile broadbands has been huge. A few years ago I had mobile broadband which usually reached 5-8 Mbps download and slightly lower upload speeds, now I can get a 150Mbps no data-cap for less than 20 euros a month, USB-modem included. There's fierce competition between the operators and prices are going down all the time. That's less than I'm paying for my 30MBps cable and way less than 100/100Mbps fibre connection which is 72 euros a month. The downsides of mobile broadband are high ping when gaming and the speed drops to 42 or 21 Mpbs when leaving the town. Also those are theoretical maximums.

I live in an area with a population density of 3,27/km2 or 8,2/sq mile(?) (Less than Canada) and we're building new fibre optic connections even in small towns of 2 500 people. Not every rural area is as lucky. Many rural areas are stuck with mobile broadband which luckily reaches speeds of 21 Mbps in every inhabitated part of the country. In many rural areas ISPs aren't bothering building high speed land connections even with government subsidies because there's no profit to be made. Understandable.

Competition... makes me jealous. In the U.S., AT&T and Verizon are basically the same damn company.
 

StinkyPinky

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Need more speed. I was downloading Deus Ex: HR Directors Cut yesterday at 1.3 MB/s and it took forever (game was 15.1 GB).

It's funny how needs change. 10 years ago 1.3MB/s would be a dream speed for me. Now i find it restricting.
 

charrison

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Nobody said that the entire US had to be instantly transformed. The population centers of the US could be scaled up similar to other countries but they are not even close. The rest of the world sees the internet as infrastructure.....the US sees it as milking profit for as long and as much as possible before doing any significant upgrades and on top of that, lobbies to make sure that it stays that way (i.e. blocking competition from doing it).

2g gear is dead, 3g gear is headed out the door. 4g/lte is being modified to get more speed out of what has already been deployed. And this is all within 10-15 years. The telcos have been pretty busy getting new gear out the door, only to scrap it a few years down the road.


And more speed continues to be deployed...


http://gigaom.com/2013/12/05/verizo...monster-tripling-4g-capacity-in-major-cities/
 

charrison

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I've read enough to know that it's power of the current ISP's to lobby (i.e. bribe) the government enough to cut off competition. It's as plain as that. No competition = no need to upgrade and it's cheaper to lobby than to have competition. Hell, San Antonio already has a fully laid fiber network and can't use it because the local ISP successfully lobbied the government to block its' usage for consumer broadband in the city.

Ok, what fiber network in san antonio are you talking about?