Sources: U.S. kills Cole suspect (CIA drone launched missile)

[Moonbeam]

What has two ears and cannot hear?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: Mookow
The more I think about it, the more I like tha Yamamoto analogy

I hadn't even thought of that, but it's just about perfect.

Yup... they both planning and executed attacks on the naval forces of the USA, and both were kill by USA aircraft.

 

[Corn]

Come to me Moonie, for I am the path to truth.


All things are relative Moonie. Relative to the victims of murder, the reason the murderer acted on his impulses to murder, even the reason he might have had those impulses to begin with, are unimportant. We are not discussing whether the criminal who faced his punishment was justified in his crime against humanity. The "unknown" you speak of is of little significance because it cannot change what has already been done.

 

[Corn]

So tell me Moonie, what is the importance of "understanding" what makes murderers tick?

What would this "relevation" be used for? Screening out those who might carry the "murder" gene? Programming our popluation to not be killers?

Hell, why not just lobotomize everyone at birth, problem solved.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nothing can change what has already been done, Corn. What it can change is how you perceive what has been done and what should be done next. I think what you are saying is that a man who kills, as in murder, must be stopped regardless of why he kills. I don't disagree. Where you go all goofy, in my opinion, is when you assume that understanding why people murder, comprehending the genetic factors, if any, or the more obvious social and environmental ones, in other words, adducing cause other than personal responsibility, somehow weakens the case for the need for justice. It does not. What it weakens is the smug sense of self satisfaction people get out of punishment, the satisfaction of revenge. You want to justify your feelings of revenge. I say you feel that way for the same reasons that people kill. You and a killer have one thing in common, the certainty that the other person must die and deserves to die. I am interested only in making sure that a murder doesn't murder again. What is done is done and vengeance can never undo the original crime. It just assures that vengeance is endless. You cannot get off the wheel of karma without personal death, dying to the illusion of deserved retribution. To close that door is to open the door to another world, another vision of reality, one where you have a fine view from the cross.

We know not what we do.

 

[Moonbeam]

A very common thinking pattern I observe, Corn, is that where a person feels a distaste to go, for example, considering the implications of an idea they don't like, what happens is that the person will invent a series of false arguments and hypothetical situations in which the distasteful idea is applied in imaginary reality, a reality that is absurd on its face. This is then used to explain why the idea is a bad one. At least you put yours in the form of a question even though you couldn't help drawing a conclusion:

"So tell me Moonie, what is the importance of "understanding" what makes murderers tick?

What would this "relevation" be used for? Screening out those who might carry the "murder" gene? Programming our popluation to not be killers?

Hell, why not just lobotomize everyone at birth, problem solved."

I have said that self hate is the origin of evil. If so than one might conclude that work to repair such a condition would be work to save humanity from it's worst enemy.

 

[Corn]

....adducing cause other than personal responsibility.....

It's all about personal responsibility Moonbeam. Aside from the clinically insane, we are responsible for that which we do.

The severity, and the circumstance surrounding the crimes, are all considered prior to meting out punishment.

Because the thought of punishment makes you queasy, you wish to assauge the crimes of the guilty.

Typical of the modern liberal mindset--there are only victims. You are not nearly as solitary of thought regarding this matter than you earlier claimed to be Moonie.

 

[Corn]

I have said that self hate is the origin of evil. If so than one might conclude that work to repair such a condition would be work to save humanity from it's worst enemy.

And how do you plan to impose your "repair" on to the unenlightened masses?

The honor system?

All those with feelings of self-hate, please present yourselves at once to the repair center.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm not nearly as solitary of thought as I would like to be if you keep putting me in one of your neat little boxes. 😀

Corn, we are not responsible for anything we do. We are not we. There is no I who is Corn. Corn is an ego construct, a false self, a protection from being who you were born to be and who you were convinced is worthless. You are unconscious of huge tracts of what you feel and how it motivates you. But the minute you cross the magic line and act out in such a way as to harm others, you must be stopped. it's not about responsibility, It's about acceptable and unacceptable actions. Your idea of punishment, what is it but vengeance? The only real aim in stopping a killer is to stop the killing. You want the luxury of your hate. You need to feel your blame is justifiable. It isn't. As long as you maintain the illusion that hate is justifiable you are a criminal waiting to happen. You, of course wouldn't use the word hate because it isn't very flattering.

 

[Moonbeam]

A very common thinking pattern I observe, Corn, is that where a person feels a distaste to go, for example, considering the implications of an idea they don't like, what happens is that the person will invent a series of false arguments and hypothetical situations in which the distasteful idea is applied in imaginary reality, a reality that is absurd on its face. I note too, that pointing it out does little good. It would seem that you either see it or you don't:

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And how do you plan to impose your "repair" on to the unenlightened masses?

Maybe we will have to plant some trees. 😀

The honor system?


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Hehe, I wish it were that simple. I mentioned. did I not, that people can't report in till they realize they have a problem. New ways of understanding occur when there is a need for them. To solve this problem let's first get to the point where people see the need. I don't have an answer. Certainly part of my answer would be the exploration of our feelings in a setting of some sort specifically for that purpose. It's what the Buddha did, I think, when he sat under the Bo tree and felt it all. Maybe we will have to plant some trees. 😀

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: CurtCold
I read that article last night, I still am baffled as to why they needed to launch an anti-tank missle to take out a car? Lil overkill much? lol Just got me thinking when they said they "found a piece of his leg near the vehicle" damn

What? You think we have a "anti-commercial-grade-car" missile? It did the job, didnt it?

isn't it more of a dinky rocket then a missle? thats why they can be carried by a dinky drone.

i could be wrong🙂

Hahahahahaha... NO. The Hellfire missile is (last time I checked) the standard AT missile for an Apache helicopter. It might not have long range or be all that big, but it is a full fledged anti-tank missile.

Here are a few shots...

Someone has incoming

On target

You have a funny definition of the word "dinky"

well i meant relatively dinky. rarely do u see other missles in 4 per pod configurations😛

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Our minds will always self-justify. Until any of us can witness this we are the same and as much so deserving of pain and non-existance as anyone of the people who flew the planes into the WTC. As soon as you read this your mind will start to rationalize "but....". Humor yourself and try to stop this process, just for the heck of it make an effort practice full consideration.