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Astaroth33 quote:

"True, that... These people are NOT Americans, they are willing to blow themselves up fighting our way of life. There really isn't anything you can do with these people other than to kill them."
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Did you read that in the Koran.

Boy oh boy does this story pump my ego. I have been feeling so insecure, so filled with impotent rage. The source of my identity, the thing that helps me to feel like I'm not the worthless piece of crap I feel inside, the United States of America, was attacked. Somebody has to die because I was disrespected. I'm a brother from the hood and somebody needs offing cause I was dished. Did you see the small pieces, the big hole. Wow, am I strong. Nobody better mess with me. I bet Osama crapped his pants. Ahahahahahaha!

I am an American. God is on my side, not theirs. See my mighty weapons. I'm the greatest. Nobody makes me feel helpless and lives. I have lawyers that can make the truth fit what I want it to. I will never never never never never ever grow up and face the crushing weight of complexity posed by a complex world. I will kill. I'm a simple minded kind of guy. I am not worthless. I am not.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Astaroth33 quote:

"True, that... These people are NOT Americans, they are willing to blow themselves up fighting our way of life. There really isn't anything you can do with these people other than to kill them."
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Did you read that in the Koran.

Boy oh boy does this story pump my ego. I have been feeling so insecure, so filled with impotent rage. The source of my identity, the thing that helps me to feel like I'm not the worthless piece of crap I feel inside, the United States of America, was attacked. Somebody has to die because I was disrespected. I'm a brother from the hood and somebody needs offing cause I was dished. Did you see the small pieces, the big hole. Wow, am I strong. Nobody better mess with me. I bet Osama crapped his pants. Ahahahahahaha!

I am an American. God is on my side, not theirs. See my mighty weapons. I'm the greatest. Nobody makes me feel helpless and lives. I have lawyers that can make the truth fit what I want it to. I will never never never never never ever grow up and face the crushing weight of complexity posed by a complex world. I will kill. I'm a simple minded kind of guy. I am not worthless. I am not.
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What are you trying to do, become the MrPaltroll of the Libs?

 
I agree with moonbeam to an extent, about the whold innocent til proven guilty, but even the Yemeni supported this move, as they had attempted to oust this do0d.

I don't think "somebody has to die because I was disrespected," I think this is more a Private Ryan scenerio, where if you don't force someone to cease and disist, then they'll come back to kill again and again. These people obviously weren't everyday citizens.
 
What are you trying to do, become the MrPaltroll of the Libs?
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Oh man, you nailed me. You win. I now see exactly where my post was in error. Thanks.
 
By the way, I don't think you'll find a Liberal with my point of view in a thousand miles. They are no more interested in what makes them tick than anybody else. People clammor for freedom never realizing that most of our chains are psychological. For people in denial the truth doesn't look like truth. It looks like an attack. What's your suggestion for getting around that fact? I'm all ears.
 
By the way, I don't think you'll find a Liberal with my point of view in a thousand miles. They are no more interested in what makes them tick than anybody else. People clammor for freedom never realizing that most of our chains are psychological. For people in denial the truth doesn't look like truth. It looks like an attack. What's your suggestion for getting around that fact? I'm all ears.
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LOL, talk about denial.......

Here some truth for you Moonie. Some people are just bad. Either they are born that way, or they learn it. All civilizations throught time have had to live with the fact that some people delight in the harm of others.

Even if we ever are to discover the source of why people are born, or turn, bad, wouldn't it be up to the bad individual to seek the help he might not even consider useful to himself?

I'm gonna be somewhat skeptical of a "test" to determine predisposition to murder, even more skeptical of having everyone tested, and highly skeptical with regard to punishing those who would test positive prior to acting on any of their "impulses" against their will...........

So, while you and other liberals preoccupy yourselves in your debates about why it is that certain people kill other people, I'll be applauding those who do something constructive with their time by administering punishment to those who have already committed those crimes.
 
Originally posted by: Blindman
Err its just a thought. When I first read it yesterday that was the idea that came to mind. Just we arnt in the assination business.

And there was no trial before the excution, some judge should have approved it, would have more justification.


And since this was done "assination", the CIA should have keep quite about it because I dont remember the rule has changed.
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Nope, we are in the retaliatory business. We did not start it, but we will be more than glad to finish it.
 
Corn Quote:
LOL, talk about denial.......

Here some truth for you Moonie. Some people are just bad. Either they are born that way, or they learn it. All civilizations throught time have had to live with the fact that some people delight in the harm of others.

Even if we ever are to discover the source of why people are born, or turn, bad, wouldn't it be up to the bad individual to seek the help he might not even consider useful to himself?

I'm gonna be somewhat skeptical of a "test" to determine predisposition to murder, even more skeptical of having everyone tested, and highly skeptical with regard to punishing those who would test positive prior to acting on any of their "impulses" against their will...........

So, while you and other liberals preoccupy yourselves in your debates about why it is that certain people kill other people, I'll be applauding those who do something constructive with their time by administering punishment to those who have already committed those crimes.
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Corn, I know you get me confused with the fantasy straw man you create in your head. There is nothing in your post that I disagree with up to the last paragraph where you reveal you're not actually talking to me. As is my want, I point out the flaws in a line of reasoning that somebody puts up for debate. I tried to show what is wrong with that kind of thinking. That does not mean that I support some imaginary opposite point of view. To be concrete here, because I am interested in the origine of pathology does not mean I'm going to sit around and wait for an answer before doing something about it. I'm saying that not thinking about the origin, or thinking you know, or acting unconsciously, with the unexamined assumption that you know, is dangerous because your actions are based on ignorance, a concealed fanaticism, the certainty that one is right. To applaud that is a fools game.

In short, one can seek to understand the origin of evil and fight it at the same time. One just doesn't get too self convinced that one's efforts are the most effective knowing that one may be fighting to an unknown degree in the dark.
 
Originally posted by: Blindman
Err its just a thought. When I first read it yesterday that was the idea that came to mind. Just we arnt in the assination business.

And there was no trial before the excution, some judge should have approved it, would have more justification.


And since this was done "assination", the CIA should have keep quite about it because I dont remember the rule has changed.
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Why am I not shocked that this opinion comes from someone in California?

You want justification? Go look at the hole where the WTC once stood.

 
....because I am interested in the origine of pathology .....
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To what end and purpose? Your own simple curiosity? Unfortunately satisfying that curiosity on a personal level achieves no real tangible benefits to society as a whole. Unless of course, you wish to relate those findings to someone whom can impose those findings on the rest of us.........

A genetic test for a predisposition to murder? A phychological test for a predisposition to murder?

You claim I am not speaking to you, yet here I am and there you are, and I'm responding to that which you say you didn't say, but there it is.....

So, while you and other liberals preoccupy yourselves in your debates about why it is that certain people kill other people, I'll be applauding those who do something constructive with their time by administering punishment to those who have already committed those crimes.
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In short, one can seek to understand the origin of evil and fight it at the same time.
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Your first post in this thread does not jive with that last quote of yours.
 
I'm saying that not thinking about the origin, or thinking you know, or acting unconsciously, with the unexamined assumption that you know, is dangerous because your actions are based on ignorance, a concealed fanaticism, the certainty that one is right. To applaud that is a fools game.
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The "origin" of the criminal's behavior is of no importance after that act has been committed. Your original reply in this thread was to mock the punishment (and punisher) enforced upon a mass murderer.

I have not claimed to know the origin of evil, therefore I suppose you aren't talking to me as well. I simply applaud the swift justice carried out in this instance, wheras you, apparently, do not. Just don't be suprised or offended if I believe you to be a terrorist sympathiser when you act like one. 😉
 
The sources who spoke to CNN said the Hellfire missile was launched from an unmanned Predator aerial vehicle. All six people in the car died, they said. (More on Predator)

Video from the scene in Yemen's oil rich Marib province showed the car blown apart, with most of it reduced to black ash in the desert
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Best news I've read all day. 🙂 A taste of your own medicine. Death from the sky!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Blindman
Err its just a thought. When I first read it yesterday that was the idea that came to mind. Just we arnt in the assination business.

And there was no trial before the excution, some judge should have approved it, would have more justification.


And since this was done "assination", the CIA should have keep quite about it because I dont remember the rule has changed.
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Why am I not shocked that this opinion comes from someone in California?

You want justification? Go look at the hole where the WTC once stood.
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Cheap shot Shiner. That's like me saying I'm not surprised that the incidents of lead poisining resulting from eating paint Chips off of Window Sills of House Trailers is higher in Oklahoma. We can hate the enemy just as well as you guys🙂
 
Unfortunately Red, there wouldn't be stereotypes if there weren't some truth to them. 😉

But us right thinking folk know you aren't the average Californian......heh.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Blindman
Err its just a thought. When I first read it yesterday that was the idea that came to mind. Just we arnt in the assination business.

And there was no trial before the excution, some judge should have approved it, would have more justification.


And since this was done "assination", the CIA should have keep quite about it because I dont remember the rule has changed.
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Why am I not shocked that this opinion comes from someone in California?

You want justification? Go look at the hole where the WTC once stood.
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Cheap shot Shiner. That's like me saying I'm not surprised that the incidents of lead poisining resulting from eating paint Chips off of Window Sills of House Trailers is higher in Oklahoma. We can hate the enemy just as well as you guys🙂
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Bah...shows what you know...house trailers are painted with aluminum paint. 😉

Sure you can hate the enemy just as well as we can....just seems that California has more of the "why can't we all just get along" crowd than anywhere else.
 
That first post of mine pointed out how people are responding and how not to respond. It jibes in a larger picture. Glee is a function of ego satisfaction. Eliminating evil is a profoundly serious job. It should bring no blustering joy. I explained that challenging an approach is not the same as challenging the direction. When we become the same gloating slavering beasts that our enemies are, they will have won. "We have met the enemy and they are us. If you are going to go after the enemy you'll want to get at him as quickly as he appears and wherever that is, no?

I often get accused of making points that don't jibe, but I think the problem is that any one point is a piece of a picture or world view in which it is totally consistent.

Also, I feel that I have identified a central component to pathology, hidden self hate. The benefits to an understanding of this would have world shattering consequences if it could be taken seriously. It, of course, cannot be taken seriously because it is a secret that protects itself. To know how you feel, you would have to feel. You cannot feel because you don't want to know how you feel. The door to the underworld hell that leads to paradise is guarded by the Hounds of Hell. Only the hero may pass. You have to take the red pill.
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Unfortunately Red, there wouldn't be stereotypes if there weren't some truth to them. 😉

But us right thinking folk know you aren't the average Californian......heh.
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Heh the average Californian is like the average American because California is populated by those from all regions of the country. Here in Central Ca there is a strong conservative base, in certain parts of Southern Ca there is also strong conservative base. Only in LA and NorCal will you find a strong liberal base and even there the majority is more Moderate than Liberal. The Liberal Strongholds are San Francisco and most Communities with a UC Campus (you know, all those enlightened educated types
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Unfortunately they are building a UC Campus here in Merced and bringing a lot of the Faculty over from BeZerkley (that's the unfortunate part) so it wont be long before Merced goes of its rocker too!

Keep in Mind the 45% of the Voters here in CA cast their Ballot for Dubya. We are talking Millions of Voters.



Originally posted by: shinerburke


Sure you can hate the enemy just as well as we can....just seems that California has more of the "why can't we all just get along" crowd than anywhere else.
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Probably has to do with us having more people than any other state🙂
 
Corn Quote:

The "origin" of the criminal's behavior is of no importance after that act has been committed. Your original reply in this thread was to mock the punishment (and punisher) enforced upon a mass murderer.

I have not claimed to know the origin of evil, therefore I suppose you aren't talking to me as well. I simply applaud the swift justice carried out in this instance, wheras you, apparently, do not. Just don't be suprised or offended if I believe you to be a terrorist sympathiser when you act like one.
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It is interesting that you can dismiss as unimportant what you claim you do not know. How exactly do you reach the conclusion that an unknown is unimportant. An unknown is of unknown importance, no?

No problem applauding swift justice, the problem is in thinking you know what justice is. For all you know that car might have been full of children on their way to school. What would surprise me is if you had the self modesty not always to assume you know a terrorist sympathizer when you think you see one.
 
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