Sosa ejected for using a corked bat.

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habib89

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oh man.. i love this!! i'm gonna watch espn till i see more of it

finally! soso sosa is goin down!! i hope he leaves baseball forever
 

LeeTJ

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

ya, i think so. but no one knows for sure.

but it would give him a longer bat with less weight meaning better coverage and faster bat speed.
 

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

really its that you might be able to get around on a ball better. a harder bat actually gives more bounce since less energy is absorbed by it during the collision between it and the ball.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

really its that you might be able to get around on a ball better. a harder bat actually gives more bounce since less energy is absorbed by it during the collision between it and the ball.

thank you.

it's about being able to pull the ball vs sending it the other way. and even when you do send it the other way, you'll have more bat speed, sending the ball farther out.

 

Pr0Hawk

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NOOO!!!!!!!

JUST WHEN THE CUBS WERE FIRST IN THEIR DIVISION!


ARGH!!! Stupid Sosa!
 

Atrail

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For every one that gets caught, 3 or 4 slide by I bet.
He just got unlucky.
No Hall of Fame for him.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

Not if it's surrounded by wood. Not like the wood would bend with any significance to make a difference.

 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

really its that you might be able to get around on a ball better. a harder bat actually gives more bounce since less energy is absorbed by it during the collision between it and the ball.

That's not true. Any tennis player will tell you if the string are tighter (more tension), you get more control. If the strings are looser (less tension), you get more power.
 

konichiwa

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He's now claiming that he uses cork for HR competitions, and accidentally picked it up for tonight's game, and that he's never used cork before in a game. Sounds believable considering I doubt he's never had a broken bat before, and if he had, he'd be found. But nice PR move anyway, maybe he can weasel his way out of this one.
 

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

Not if it's surrounded by wood. Not like the wood would bend with any significance to make a difference.

didn't see it but the cork does lessen the structural integrity of the wood so you are more likely to break the bat.

like i said tho, barry actually uses a heavier, harder bat than the kind most of the league uses. he is such a great hitter tho that if he gets a pitch to hit he gets to it and puts it in play rather than fouling it off like a lot of hitters do. he obviously doesn't have a problem getting around to the ball, so the harder wood gives him more pop than he would with a northern ash bat.
 

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

really its that you might be able to get around on a ball better. a harder bat actually gives more bounce since less energy is absorbed by it during the collision between it and the ball.

That's not true. Any tennis player will tell you if the string are tighter (more tension), you get more control. If the strings are looser (less tension), you get more power.

might be how it is in tennis but its not the same as baseball. might have something to do with the ball getting a lot more compression in tennis. just look at laminate bats and how much easier it is to drive the ball.
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
He's now claiming that he uses cork for HR competitions, and accidentally picked it up for tonight's game, and that he's never used cork before in a game. Sounds believable considering I doubt he's never had a broken bat before, and if he had, he'd be found. But nice PR move anyway, maybe he can weasel his way out of this one.


how often is ther a HR competition to have the bats mixed up ..
I call BS
 

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I'm not a huge fan of Sammy or anything (twins fan), but this can't be good for the game. It's really hard to believe this is the first time he's used a corked bat.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

Not if it's surrounded by wood. Not like the wood would bend with any significance to make a difference.

didn't see it but the cork does lessen the structural integrity of the wood so you are more likely to break the bat.

like i said tho, barry actually uses a heavier, harder bat than the kind most of the league uses. he is such a great hitter tho that if he gets a pitch to hit he gets to it and puts it in play rather than fouling it off like a lot of hitters do. he obviously doesn't have a problem getting around to the ball, so the harder wood gives him more pop than he would with a northern ash bat.

That's what i'm not entirely understanding why he used cork. The heavier the wood, would mean the more momentum he'll have on a swing...
 

KK

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God damn, the democrats are trying to screw with a republican again. ;)

KK
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

really its that you might be able to get around on a ball better. a harder bat actually gives more bounce since less energy is absorbed by it during the collision between it and the ball.

That's not true. Any tennis player will tell you if the string are tighter (more tension), you get more control. If the strings are looser (less tension), you get more power.

might be how it is in tennis but its not the same as baseball. might have something to do with the ball getting a lot more compression in tennis. just look at laminate bats and how much easier it is to drive the ball.

momentum = mass*velocity

Lighter bat, faster swing, more momentum. Heavier bat, slower swing, more momentum. I believe the advantage is that you can get to the ball quicker with a corked (or aluminum) bat, therefore letting you look at the pitch a bit longer than with a harder, heavier bat:

Lets assume that the average time a ball travels from the pitcher's hand to the plate in about .46 seconds (assuming an average fastball travels 90mph and the distance between the plate and the pitcher's mound is 60'6''). If a bat's weight is reduced from 38 ounces to 32 ounces, the average time gained would be about 0.0133 seconds. By drilling a hole into the 32-ounce bat, thus reducing the weight by 1.5 ounces, the time gain would be 0.005 seconds. Does this time gain justify using a lighter bat? Who knows.
 

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For every one that gets caught, 3 or 4 slide by I bet.
Really? I'd say the ratio is more like 20 to 1. Baseball is so corrupt it's not even funny.

But considering it was McGwire's and Sammy's 'roid-powered HR race that saved baseball after the strike I can't imagine the powers that be cleaning up the game any time soon. It doesn't take a genius to work out the equation:

more drugs & cheatin = more HRs = more ticket sales = more $$$$

 

Looney

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't the cork kinda give the bat a little more bounce?

really its that you might be able to get around on a ball better. a harder bat actually gives more bounce since less energy is absorbed by it during the collision between it and the ball.

That's not true. Any tennis player will tell you if the string are tighter (more tension), you get more control. If the strings are looser (less tension), you get more power.

might be how it is in tennis but its not the same as baseball. might have something to do with the ball getting a lot more compression in tennis. just look at laminate bats and how much easier it is to drive the ball.

It doesn't... look here A Study of the Barrel Constructions of Baseball Bats

A variety of laminated wood bats are now on the market. They offer patented joining methods, combinations of wood materials and fiberglass, and Kevlar or carbon reinforced handles and barrels. The question arises; does the epoxy in a composite-encased barrel enhance the bat?s performance? For that matter, what is the performance effect on a wood barrel if it is ?boned?, flame tempered or cryogenically frozen? The answers to these questions have not been determined, but it is likely that they have more of an effect on the bat?s durability and marketability than its batted-ball performance.

Even if you look at websites selling laminated by, they'll mention how much more durable they are, but won't mention a performance increase. Example

BTW, that studies talk about corked bats as well... very interesting.


EDIT: Here's another quote from that study:
Adair also states that the wood bat has poor energy efficiency, similar to that of the ball (if the COR of the ball is 0.500 then its kinetic energy efficiency is the square root of the COR or 71%). The efficiency of the aluminum barrel is closer to 99% if it stays in the elastic range, and the resulting energy exchange has been referred to as a ?trampoline effect?
 

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic

That's what i'm not entirely understanding why he used cork. The heavier the wood, would mean the more momentum he'll have on a swing...

imagine getting a heavy bat around on a 97 mph fastball and then getting a lighter bat around on it. much easier to move the lighter bat in time than a heavier bat. thats a reason why i don't buy the corked bat used for home run exhibitions argument. in an exhibition he knows exactly what is coming so using a denser bat instead of one he can whip around faster would be better since more energy is imparted to the ball with the denser bat.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Moralpanic

That's what i'm not entirely understanding why he used cork. The heavier the wood, would mean the more momentum he'll have on a swing...

imagine getting a heavy bat around on a 97 mph fastball and then getting a lighter bat around on it. much easier to move the lighter bat in time than a heavier bat. thats a reason why i don't buy the corked bat used for home run exhibitions argument. in an exhibition he knows exactly what is coming so using a denser bat instead of one he can whip around faster would be better since more energy is imparted to the ball with the denser bat.

Yeah, i understand now. I'm not a big ball player, so i didn't know that extra 1/10 of a second to see where the ball is going is important.
 

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For those of you too lazy to look at links, here's the breakdown of corking a bat:

you drill a 7-ish inch long by 1/2-5/8 inch wide hole down your bat. The cork doesn't really serve an important purpose, nor do the superballs some people put in the bats; they're just supposed to make the bat not sound hollow. Then you patch it up.

Now the advantage, surprisingly enough, isn't really well worked out. Some people say you get a tiny bit more elasticity in the bat when it's corked, which is reasonable when you consider you're dealing with objects moving at 100 mph with significant weight. The more common explanation is that you get a lighter bat with the same size as a heavy bat, and the weight distribution is then such that you hit the ball farther.

That you hit the ball farther is only debated by the sorts of people who believe that a) you can't throw a rising fastball, b) a curveball never breaks more than 4 inches, and c) you lose time sliding headfirst into home--that is to say people who ignore the empirical (sp) evidence to the contrary. To quote Harold Reynolds, who ought to know, "I hit with a corked bat in BP once and I felt like superman."
 

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Hockey: playing with an illegal stick (curve) = unsportsmanlike penalty: 2 minutes in the box, grab a new stick, nobody remembers afterward

Baseball: playing with an illegal bat (corking) = inductee to the hall of shame for life