Sorry, Brown People, Donald Trump Doesn’t Believe You’re Real Americans

[Victorian Gray]

Smartest thing you've said in months.

Sniff? Yep, still there.

 

[buckshot24]

So clueless. It's one thing to be seen as foreign in a foreign country and entirely another to be painted as foreign in your own.

How would this not apply if a white guy was born and raised in Japan. The initial reaction of Japanese people would be that he wasn't from there.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

bucky must have ripped into a carton of ex-lax, he's buckstatting like mad.

 

[DrPizza]

How would this not apply if a white guy was born and raised in Japan. The initial reaction of Japanese people would be that he wasn't from there.

You're aware that the demographics of Japan are entirely different than the U.S., right? Less than 0.2% of Japanese citizens aren't of Japanese descent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Japan Your comment is as ludicrous as claiming that seeing a black person in the United States, one would assume they were born in Africa and brought here in a slave ship. In case you've never noticed, our population is very diverse. It would be difficult to just look at someone and know where they were born in this country. Though, there would be other clues that they might have been foreign born - accent, language, etc. But, accent, language, etc., don't apply in this case.

 

[trenchfoot]

Trump calls for violence & gets violence. How is that difficult to comprehend?

I learned that because Trump is now the heir apparent Repub nominee, any and all logical explanations for why his "calls to action" are causing an opposing reaction in kind miraculously no longer apply.

I tried explaining that in another Trump thread and I realized then that the only folks responding to it were Trump supporters. I got a very stern but (in my eyes) humorous lecturing about how the valid principle of cause and effect was not applicable to Trump or any of his demagoguery, no matter how disturbing, rancorous or inflammatory.

At that certain point in time where Trump became the nominee-in-waiting, it became apparent that he was no longer going to be held responsible for his words and deeds and the consequences thereof.

 

[buckshot24]

You're aware that the demographics of Japan are entirely different than the U.S., right? Less than 0.2% of Japanese citizens aren't of Japanese descent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Japan Your comment is as ludicrous as claiming that seeing a black person in the United States, one would assume they were born in Africa and brought here in a slave ship. In case you've never noticed, our population is very diverse. It would be difficult to just look at someone and know where they were born in this country. Though, there would be other clues that they might have been foreign born - accent, language, etc. But, accent, language, etc., don't apply in this case.

So what I said was correct? A white guy would be treated as a foreigner, initially, regardless if he was born there or not. Nothing wrong with that and definitely not something to get all upset about.

My comment is correct and you're needlessly quibbling so you can get some pot shots in on me via condescension.

 

[sportage]

By the way, is anyone keeping count of everyone Donald dislikes so far?
I lost track.
Lets see...
Women, liberals, liberal women, republican Hispanic women, republican Hispanic women holding office, news anchors, Hispanic news anchors, bleeding women, bleeding Fox news anchor women, Muslims, blacks (you know that is coming), Hispanics, Canadians, Canadians running against Donald, the wives of Canadians running against Donald, little people, little people running against Donald, Hispanic little people running against Donald, war heroes, war heroes serving in the US senate, smart people, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, President Obama, Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, WHEW....
My fingers are cramping.

Now, lets look at who Donald says he "does" like...
Putin, dump people.

If this doesn't make one want to run right out and vote for Donald Trump, I don't know what would? Trump for president! Oh joy.

 

[Painman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMZSn8iLr4

 

[brycejones]

I read all sources.

All the best sources obviously.

 

[DrPizza]

So what I said was correct? A white guy would be treated as a foreigner, initially, regardless if he was born there or not. Nothing wrong with that and definitely not something to get all upset about.

My comment is correct and you're needlessly quibbling so you can get some pot shots in on me via condescension.

But an Asian looking person in the U.S. would NOT be treated as a foreigner.

 

[DrPizza]

<<<<When you look different, there&#8217;s still an assumption that you&#8217;re a bit foreign. Sure, you&#8217;ve lived in the United States your whole life and you&#8217;re a citizen. Maybe you and your parents &#8212; or even grandparents &#8212; were born here. But you still must have ties to wherever your ancestors came from, because you&#8217;re not white.>>>

Boo hoo...

I've spent time in Japan and Singapore - the same thing happens to me there because I am white and non-indigenous - people assume I'm John Wayne or something... Don't see me crying about it.

So clueless. It's one thing to be seen as foreign in a foreign country and entirely another to be painted as foreign in your own.

How would this not apply if a white guy was born and raised in Japan. The initial reaction of Japanese people would be that he wasn't from there.

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So what I said was correct? A white guy would be treated as a foreigner, initially, regardless if he was born there or not. Nothing wrong with that and definitely not something to get all upset about.

My comment is correct and you're needlessly quibbling so you can get some pot shots in on me via condescension.

Context means a lot. You were defending A&S's comment. It's indefensible in the case we're discussing. At least, I assume that since you're posting in this thread, your comment was relevant to this thread. Void of any context, sure your quote was correct. But, you were either completely off topic else backing up A&S.

 

[trenchfoot]

By the way, is anyone keeping count of everyone Donald dislikes so far?
I lost track.
Lets see...
Women, liberals, liberal women, republican Hispanic women, republican Hispanic women holding office, news anchors, Hispanic news anchors, bleeding women, bleeding Fox news anchor women, Muslims, blacks (you know that is coming), Hispanics, Canadians, Canadians running against Donald, the wives of Canadians running against Donald, little people, little people running against Donald, Hispanic little people running against Donald, war heroes, war heroes serving in the US senate, smart people, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, President Obama, Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, WHEW....
My fingers are cramping.

Now, lets look at who Donald says he "does" like...
Putin, dump people.

If this doesn't make one want to run right out and vote for Donald Trump, I don't know what would? Trump for president! Oh joy.

When you have a very weak hand as the Repubs do in Trump, you double-triple-quadruple down on his shenanigans and then go all in with the diversions, rumor mongering, swiftboat-style demagoguery and blatant outright lying to bluff your way for the win. The Repubs have done it before with impressive results, so if it worked well before.......

Too bad the Supreme Court isn't controlled by the RNC any more. The Repubs could really use their help if another close race requires the Court to anoint the next president.....again. And their expert use of gerrymandering and creating those alleged "Voter Rights Laws" to disenfranchise likely Dem voters won't get them very far when it comes to getting a president of their choice elected.

Something is really going wrong in their party when guys like Trump end up winning their primaries. Eh, when the crazy far-right wingnuts took over the party, I guess that was the beginning of the rotting from within and the end result of what we see now.

Too bad though, the nation needs a very healthy and balanced Repub Party as an effective counterweight to the Dems.

But any time a party has to resort to the kinds of aforementioned disingenuous ploys and propagandistic mind massaging that the Repubs have been using on their constituency and their opponents indicates that they have nothing of value to offer the majority of those that would put them in office.

 

[Art&Science]

So clueless. It's one thing to be seen as foreign in a foreign country and entirely another to be painted as foreign in your own.

I know, I know - you really ARE clueless. Sorry, sometimes I forget.

The people in Asia-Pac had zero way of knowing I wasn't born there... they judged me 100% based on my appearance - most of the time without speaking to me. For all they knew, I was born there but still obvious a minority.

Conversely, the people here had no way of knowing our bitchy friend was from Buffalo (who would admit to that anyway?). That's why they asked him, as he points out. They judged him 100% based on his appearance.

The point that you missed, while trying to pick a side in this, is that in both cases judgments were made based on appearance and that it happens EVERYWHERE.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I know, I know - you really ARE clueless. Sorry, sometimes I forget.

The people in Asia-Pac had zero way of knowing I wasn't born there... they judged me 100% based on my appearance - most of the time without speaking to me. For all they knew, I was born there but still obvious a minority.

Conversely, the people here had no way of knowing our bitchy friend was from Buffalo (who would admit to that anyway?). That's why they asked him, as he points out. They judged him 100% based on his appearance.

The point that you missed, while trying to pick a side in this, is that in both cases judgments were made based on appearance and that it happens EVERYWHERE.

I have a colleague who was born in Singapore, his parents had been citizens since the end of WWII. He was still treated the same as a other foreigners because he was of English descent and looked the same as the other foreign English citizens that work there.

 

[Art&Science]

I have a colleague who was born in Singapore, his parents had been citizens since the end of WWII. He was still treated the same as a other foreigners because he was of English descent and looked the same as the other foreign English citizens that work there.

Well that mirrors my experience. Your friend was born there, I wasn't - but we were both judged on appearance.

Our other friends in this thread would like to think only "evil white people" are capable of racism... but the truth is, the world is a racist place. That doesn't mean it's ok, but it is a fact.

 

[buckshot24]

Context means a lot. You were defending A&S's comment. It's indefensible in the case we're discussing. At least, I assume that since you're posting in this thread, your comment was relevant to this thread. Void of any context, sure your quote was correct. But, you were either completely off topic else backing up A&S.

Turns out the distinction doesn't make a difference which is why I ignored it. These conversations are fluid and not frozen in place.

 

[MongGrel]

I know, I know - you really ARE clueless. Sorry, sometimes I forget.

The people in Asia-Pac had zero way of knowing I wasn't born there... they judged me 100% based on my appearance - most of the time without speaking to me. For all they knew, I was born there but still obvious a minority.

Conversely, the people here had no way of knowing our bitchy friend was from Buffalo (who would admit to that anyway?). That's why they asked him, as he points out. They judged him 100% based on his appearance.

The point that you missed, while trying to pick a side in this, is that in both cases judgments were made based on appearance and that it happens EVERYWHERE.

The points you're trying to make are not really applicable to the thread topic in general.

It's not a case of mistaken identity.

 

[buckshot24]

But an Asian looking person in the U.S. would NOT be treated as a foreigner.

Not as often but I'm sure it happens and it isn't "wrong" to make the wrong initial assumptions either. It's like wining about water being wet, you can't do anything about it people make some assumptions about just about everybody they meet.

 

[Jhhnn]

I know, I know - you really ARE clueless. Sorry, sometimes I forget.

The people in Asia-Pac had zero way of knowing I wasn't born there... they judged me 100% based on my appearance - most of the time without speaking to me. For all they knew, I was born there but still obvious a minority.

Conversely, the people here had no way of knowing our bitchy friend was from Buffalo (who would admit to that anyway?). That's why they asked him, as he points out. They judged him 100% based on his appearance.

The point that you missed, while trying to pick a side in this, is that in both cases judgments were made based on appearance and that it happens EVERYWHERE.

So lame. A federal judge is quite obviously an American, not a Mexican, regardless of their appearance. But when Donald calls them a Mexican, well, it must be true in the minds of true believers.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

CNN host Jake Tapper pointed out that Curiel is from Indiana. Trump replied that Curiel is of “Mexican heritage” and “very proud of it.”

He is of Mexican heritage and is apparently very proud of it given that the affadavit he provided to the US Senate for his confirmation hearing cites five different Hispanic activist organizations in his cv.

He cites being a guest speaker for a La Raza organization.

He was the keynote speaker for the Spanish Honors Society.

He's been singled out for honors by the La Raza Lawyers of San Diego.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GonzaloCuriel-PublicQuestionnaire.pdf

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I'm not taking sides here just putting up the judge's own words here so he can speak for himself.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He is of Mexican heritage and is apparently very proud of it given that the affadavit he provided to the US Senate for his confirmation hearing cites five different Hispanic activist organizations in his cv.

He cites being a guest speaker for a La Raza organization.

Quick look at their website topics include
How to protect yourself from Zika
Sponsor a underprivileged kid
How to register to vote
And something about families I forgot

He was the keynote speaker for the Spanish Honors Society.

Assuming this is the right place its funny. Below is their mission:

sponsored by the American Association of Teachers of Spanish and Portuguese. Each chapter has its own unique name, which is associated with some aspect of the Spanish or Portuguese culture. Each society member must have taken three semesters of Spanish or Portuguese. He/she is required to maintain a "honor grade" or GPA, which correlates with the Society's mission of high academic achievement.

He's been singled out for honors by the La Raza Lawyers of San Diego.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GonzaloCuriel-PublicQuestionnaire.pdf

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I'm not taking sides here just putting up the judge's own words here so he can speak for himself.

Haha keep on keep'in on

Haha/quote]

 

[JockoJohnson]

So lame. A federal judge is quite obviously an American, not a Mexican, regardless of their appearance. But when Donald calls them a Mexican, well, it must be true in the minds of true believers.

And there are some asswipes that refer to black people as African-Americans still. When will that stop? At this point, they are AMERICANS. Why do we have this need to hyphenate everyone who isn't white? The majority of black people have not just come here from Africa. Yet, we still refer to them that way. Either stop all of this nonsense with hyphenated names and, in general, giving a fuck where people are from and just call people what they are: Americans.

So until we stop actually referencing everyone's race, guess what....we will continue to notice people's race/ethnicity and refer to it on a daily basis. This includes Mexican-Americans, Asian-Americans, Indian-Americans, European-Americans and any other "-"American the PC crowd can think of.

 

[Meghan54]

And there are some asswipes that refer to black people as African-Americans still. When will that stop? At this point, they are AMERICANS. Why do we have this need to hyphenate everyone who isn't white? The majority of black people have not just come here from Africa. Yet, we still refer to them that way. Either stop all of this nonsense with hyphenated names and, in general, giving a fuck where people are from and just call people what they are: Americans.

So until we stop actually referencing everyone's race, guess what....we will continue to notice people's race/ethnicity and refer to it on a daily basis. This includes Mexican-Americans, Asian-Americans, Indian-Americans, European-Americans and any other "-"American the PC crowd can think of.

So, they were "PC" back in 1782? (The first documented printed use of the term African American was a book printed in Philadelphia in April, 1782 of the Sermon on the Capture of Lord Cornwallis.)

 

[Jhhnn]

And there are some asswipes that refer to black people as African-Americans still. When will that stop? At this point, they are AMERICANS. Why do we have this need to hyphenate everyone who isn't white? The majority of black people have not just come here from Africa. Yet, we still refer to them that way. Either stop all of this nonsense with hyphenated names and, in general, giving a fuck where people are from and just call people what they are: Americans.

So until we stop actually referencing everyone's race, guess what....we will continue to notice people's race/ethnicity and refer to it on a daily basis. This includes Mexican-Americans, Asian-Americans, Indian-Americans, European-Americans and any other "-"American the PC crowd can think of.

In the context of what Trump said that's completely immaterial. He questioned the loyalty, patriotism & ethics of a federal judge based on their ethnic background. Because Wall.

That's completely indefensible no matter how much weaseldom & diversion are applied.

 

[jackstar7]

Again, the racism is likely a smokescreen to divert from the fraud.

People are less sympathetic to a blatant fraud than they are to a racist.