Sony Trinitron Monitors...what is with those black lines???

[julianf]

multiscan's usually have those...

 

[Bozz]

http://www.sony.com.sg/asianit/support/monitor/mfdtttour.html

I'm an ex-electronics engineer so if you have any tech questions then let me know

 

[Salvador]

Hehe.. Off Topic, but I was in Milwaukee over the weekend for Summerfest and we caught a Brewers game at the new Miller Field on a whim. What an amazing place with that retractable dome. I still like old Wrigley much, much better though.

Anyway. I was looking at their huge tv and noticed that they had a stuck pixel in it. After dealing with it in digital camera's and laptop's, I thought it was funny. I wonder if it is still under warrantee. I can't see it being cheap to replace.

Sal

 

[randomlinh]

I'm unfortunately one that has the damn wires annoy the crap outta me The Samsung DF series is acually very nice, my sis has the 753.. and after I "tested" it for a few days, I went back to my fishbowled/dull CTX But colorwise, trinny/dimatron kicks everything in da booty.

 

[skace]

I have a Hitachi Shadowmask monitor at home and an HP P1100 Aperature Grill monitor at work. The Lines bug the hell out of me at work. Perhaps its the lighting - but everytime I glance over my monitor I see the 2 lines. To me they look like very fine cuts on the glass, like someone damaged the monitor. I always find myself touching the lines to see if the monitor really IS damaged . Hitachi has spoiled me .

 

[bigd480]

i used to have a 17" trinitron and my g/f has the 753DF and i have to say there is very little difference and depending on personal preferences you may like the Samsung better (no lines, very crisp)

 

[jaggrey]

<< I have owned my IBM P96 monitor (19&quot; FD Trinitron) for several months now and I never even notice the 2 lines. >>



Hey fellow IBM P96 user! Pearl White or Stealth Black? Stealth Black here!

 

[RayH]

<< &quot;information was out of scan range&quot; >>



Just means the monitor refresh rate setting in the video drivers was set to a frequency that the monitor couldn't handle for the resolution you were using. Setting the frequency lower usually fixes the problem.

 

[QwErTyBk]

I dont own the monitor, but I was just wondering, how do I set the refresh rate lower in the game? I tried seeting it lower on the monitor (down to 60hz) but it just hurt my eyes and refused to work.

So the consensus seems to be that the Samsung is almost as good as the Sony Trinitron but with no lines? Are te Viewsonics any better than the Samsungs.

Bythe way, these monitors were in all likelyhood refurbs. The labels on the back said that they were made this year, but under that sticker you could see the real manufacture date. They were circa 1997-1998. Is it possible that these older monitors' lines are more visible or that the refurbs have more distinct lines? These were very noticeable and very distinct. As I said it looked like a row of dead pixels. Maybe on newer non refurbs, the lines are much less noticeable. Anyone know?

 

[Phatty106]

I have the Samsung 753 DF and I love it. My only complaint is that its max resolution is 1280x1024@66Hz. Sometimes I want to bump up my resolution, but 66Hz is not acceptable. Not that big of a deal though.

phatty

 

[randomlinh]

yeah, that's the big reason I didn't get a 753 or 755, neither can do 12x9 res @85hz Or else I'd have one right now.. well.. maybe I think the 700IFT has it.. but that thing is expensive and hard to find

 

[thephew]

Think of it this way: The Trinitrons have two visible horizontal lines, but shadow mask monitors effectively have 1023 (for 1280x1024 res)lines, one between each row of pixels. Shadow mask monitors have empty space on all 4 sides of each pixel, whereas aperture grille monitors, like Trinitrons, only have empty space on the left and right of the pixel. This results in MUCH better image quality, because more phosphor is exposed to the user.

 

[RayH]

<< I dont own the monitor, but I was just wondering, how do I set the refresh rate lower in the game? I tried seeting it lower on the monitor (down to 60hz) but it just hurt my eyes and refused to work. >>



It depends on your video card but usually if you go into the same resolution in windows that the game uses and set the refresh rate there before going back to your original windows resolution, the video card will remember that setting when the game uses that resolution.

 

[QwErTyBk]

Interesting...thanks...I should have tried that with the game. Funny thing is that Unreal Tourney worked, but Halflife didn't.

My dilemma: I dont want to go for the Refurbished trinitrons. I have about $165 to spend on a 17&quot; monitor that will be used for everything including programming and gaming
I like a crisp good quality monitor, and one that has a decent refresh rate that wont hurt my eyes (over 70 hz or so)

Should I go with the Samsung or look into the Viewsonics or what?

 

[Skoalboy]

KDS are good monitors, decent prices.

I just bought a Avitron AV-195TF, only thing that thrue me off is the name, but its a KDS monitor so used to there products say Vis Sensations etc etc, but so far Im very pleased with it, course it has a Trinitron tube in it.

 

[nEoTeChMaN]

Just get Samsung 19&quot; SyncMaster 955 DF and be worry-free.

 

[raven82]

I think that would get annoying after awhile.

 

[Electricice]

i dont even see mine anymore, its not bad at all. only time i can see them is on all white.

 

[billyjak]

Another vote for Hitachi Superscan Shadowmask
I'll put it side by side with any Sony apature grill monitor and let people choose.
The lines do bug you when you know they're there.
They also have Flat Shadowmasks now.
I know my Hitachi has brighter crisper color than my Sonny monitor in the other room.
I seen the new Flats and they are very good, almost as good as the Hitachi's
But knowing them lines are there just plain bugs me, even though you get used to it.But when going from apature to Shadow a couple times a day, the Apature lines are really noticed.

 

[Tartrazine]

One time when I was giving an elderly woman computer lessons, her monitor's damper wires were very obvious and annoying (her monitor was about 17&quot. However, a few months later I was play Action Half-Life at a LAN gaming place and only noticed the damper wires after I noticed &quot;Trinitron&quot; printed on the front of the monitor and specifically looked for them.

My advice would be to go to your nearest Sony store and stare at a modern aperture grille monitor and see how annoying the wires are to you - screw this 1997-era-trash stuff.

 

[Pikachu]

KDS Avitron AV-7TF 17 Monitor $216.49 from Staples
Add a $30.00 off $150 coupon and free shipping. Not bad for a True Flat 17&quot; Trinitron® from a decent company. Best of both worlds. Flat, sharp, vivid... oh, but it has those dreaded lines I'd give it a look before writing it off.

 

[jaggrey]

That's a phat deal on that monitor.

 

[NOX]

I?ve been using Sony Tubes for years, and have gotten so used to them even if I looked for the damper wires I can barely see them.

QwErTyBk,

Let me know if what RayH said works for you, pertaining to Half-Life being out of scan range. This was a problem for me too (3yr?s ago when I first got the FD series). Though I used another method to remedy the OSR problem.

 

[bgatot]

My Mitsubishi monitor (Diamond Pro 91TXM) has those wires too. But it's not at all obvious, and actually quite hard to see. Doesn't bother me at all.

 

[DaejangNim]

at a garage sale on saturday my friend got one for $1 cus they thought it was broken. we tested it, worked fine, no lines and the image is really crisp. it is a sony, and i dont see anything wrong with these monitors at all.