SONY PSP is a piece of crap

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Weak lineup? I challenge you to find a recent better console lineup at launch.

NDS or XBox spring quickly to mind. They each at least had one killer app- PSP has none. It has a lot of titles, which ones are really that good? I've gone through the critics picks- I'm open to suggestions. In terms of quantity of relatively decent games sure the PSP is hard to beat, but I'm not really looking for a stack of 'relatively decent' games.

Housecat-

All this. Coming from the guy who begs up CRTs as well... do you pick the outdated product every time??

Want to bring up the 'quality' of the LCD used for the PSP? Even for Sony it is sub par and that is really saying something.

So WHAT you can play GBA games WOOT! I'd rather play PS2 games.

God of War on the PSP? No. Any of the J&D or R&C series? Nope. How about GT4 Mobile which was supposed to be out by now? Not a chance. Alright, I'll settle for DMC- not even that? I would much rather play good GBA games then lousy PS2 games. It seems you have a pattern going- 'newest no matter how poor the quality must be best'. I was there picking up my pre paid PSP on launch day- and it is a KA media machine- just has a lousy gaming lineup right now.

As if they are going to blow Half Life 2 out of the water.

Since you brought it up, which titles on the PSP is it that blow HL2 out of the water?

Went right over your head.

The point was that GBA games are old, like 80s DOS games.
Whats it worth bragging about either? HL2 or Ridge Racer are not going to be defeated by DOS 80s games or GBA games, for their respective systems of course.

So what? A PC can play a large back catalog too? Is that what makes it the "Xbox killer"? No way in hell.

Its the killer new games and the versatility. Something BOTH the PC and PSP has.

DS has neither. :thumbsdown:

 

[VIAN]

Both the DS and the PSP are weak portables. They each have their fair share of problems, though, I would still rather be playing a PSP than any DS game, but then again Final Fantasy Tactics for GBA is a killer game that would put any PSP game to shame at the moment, and I would rather play Final Fantasy Tactics on a DS screen than the cheap ass lit screen of the GBA SP. Just for the nice lit up screen it is worth getting apposed to the SP. SP screen makes playing games a burden, so don't even bring the subject of - you can play it on the cheaper SP.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Went right over your head.

Reading comprehension is truly weak today..

The point was that GBA games are old, like 80s DOS games.

Where to start- first off is that new GBA games are still coming out quite frequently, actually far more frequently then PSP, NDS, GC or XBox games most of the time. Next up is that DOS based games were big in the early to mid 90s- the first consumer 3D add in board didn't appear until 1996.

Whats it worth bragging about either?

Huh?

HL2 or Ridge Racer are not going to be defeated by DOS 80s games or GBA games, for their respective systems of course.

RidgeRacer is easily inferior to more games on the GBA then the PSP games number in total. I have played through RR through the EX courses- the game is reasonably entertaining, and that's about it.

Of course, it sounds like you aren't a gamer at all. You don't seem to care in the slightest if a game is good or not, only if it is new(your continued tangent about '80s DOS games' makes that quite clear). If you are a technology zealot unconcerned with quality just say it.

So what? A PC can play a large back catalog too? Is that what makes it the "Xbox killer"? No way in hell.

Too complex without explenation..... when the PS3 comes ou and we are starting to see NV50/R500 based parts on the market noone is going to bash the PC because the only game out for it is Quake4. The large back catalog of titles makes 'launching' a new round of technology a relatively minor bump on the software side. No console is quite as smooth in terms of evolution as the PC, but the ones that have backwards compatability at the very least need not be overly concerned with their launch lineup.

Its the killer new games

What killer games? It is the question I keep asking and you refuse to answer.

Rage-

Lumines; case closed.

A solid puzzle title. I think it is overhyped and doesn't compare to Tetris or even SuperMonkeyBall. Decent game- way too much hype for what it is.

Also GTA and Midnite Club 3 come out next month, GTA by itself is worth the cost of the PSP alone.

A scaled down port of a gameplay lacking title. Gee whiz. GT4 Mobile should easily be vastly superior to either of them.

Error-

Ridge Racer seems to be a killer app as well. It's sold out everywhere I've checked.

It is a good seller, its visuals are easily the best on the system- it is also very short(for a racer) and has very simplistic play mechanics. They needed to flush out drifting a bit more, they needed more then three types of cars(even Devil, Angel and Pac-Man are still just different skins of the same three base models). It is enjoyable, but far from a killer app.

Vian-

but then again Final Fantasy Tactics for GBA is a killer game that would put any PSP game to shame at the moment,

Somebody gets it

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Vian-

but then again Final Fantasy Tactics for GBA is a killer game that would put any PSP game to shame at the moment,

Somebody gets it

Tell me about it. I'm the kind of person who does not log huge hours into any game, but last night I'm sitting in bed with my PSP sitting on the nightstand unused, flying through my 48th hour on FFTA. There are so many great GBA games. And yes, Lumines is good, but no, you can't compare that to Tetris DX, I agree with that point.

PSP has complex graphical games, and like I said, Wipeout is fun (though with Mario Kart DS on the horizon, and if GB Evo gets a waverace port, it's ALL OVER for me), and I'm sure Ridge Racer is pretty fun too, but to compare the library to what you can get now on GBA is just silly, because it's just not a fair comparison.

 

[kki000]

im glad for the dead pixels and other minor problems the psp has.
Yeah you heard me right.
Its a by product of of the sony engineers pushing the envelope.
Theres a fine line between shooting the moon and pushing out a crappy product, but i think sony's done an admirable job here.
Would i like a perfect screen, absolutely, but i would rather have my one dead pixel in the corner that i never notice during reg use over a smaller screen with prefect pixels.
Would i like a longer battery life, sure, but i wouldnt want to trade the video horespower for that.

The answer to all yer complaints already exists, been around for a long ass time enjoying its monopolistic run.
You want a perfect tiny screen, long ass battery life with crappy graphics, pokemon titles up the ass, gba is calling out for you.
Go buy one and have a great time.

Any tech head who holds a psp for any length of time and doesnt appreciate the engineering and technology that went into it, i dunno what u guys really want, some alien technology? You cant get graphics this good without using optical media and lots of juice on processing. I think a gorgeous display like this is worth the gamble and return trips to walmart/target. In fact, I think the psp is undervalued at 250. Ive paid more for pdas with less battery life, crappier interface, and less processing power, i bet alot of you have.

You guys want some nuclear powered device with a perfect 9 inch screen that weighs nothing, folds into yer pocket and costs 99 cents. Good luck.
If nintendo comes out with something with better graphics and games, im all over it. I have no loyalty to sony.
I bet the nintendo engineers are struggling with the same problems the psp faces.

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Went right over your head.

Reading comprehension is truly weak today..

The point was that GBA games are old, like 80s DOS games.

Where to start- first off is that new GBA games are still coming out quite frequently, actually far more frequently then PSP, NDS, GC or XBox games most of the time. Next up is that DOS based games were big in the early to mid 90s- the first consumer 3D add in board didn't appear until 1996.

Whats it worth bragging about either?

Huh?

HL2 or Ridge Racer are not going to be defeated by DOS 80s games or GBA games, for their respective systems of course.

RidgeRacer is easily inferior to more games on the GBA then the PSP games number in total. I have played through RR through the EX courses- the game is reasonably entertaining, and that's about it.

Of course, it sounds like you aren't a gamer at all. You don't seem to care in the slightest if a game is good or not, only if it is new(your continued tangent about '80s DOS games' makes that quite clear). If you are a technology zealot unconcerned with quality just say it.

whoa whoa whoa. i gotta stop you there.

im mentioning 80s dos games because i love 80s dos games. im about gameplay, but im not saying hold things back to DS quality, holding it back by making it backwards compatible to get there. and ya, it does hold it back.. it isnt using any optical disc access method nor has half the abilities the PSP does.
so plz dont even attempt that one.

its like my widescreen, i love 80s games.. but im not holding back from going widescreen in new games to be able to have better backwards compatibility.

give me advancement FIRST (like the PSP) then if possible backwards compatibility.

that said, dos games work great on widescreen. sometimes not holding back on tech doenst hurt things at all.

i think i enjoy old dos games like lucasarts adventures more on this LCD than i did on any 4:3 crt i've ever seen.

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: kki000
In fact, I think the psp is undervalued at 250.

Of course it is, Sony cut costs by buying defective LCDs and jacking up the software prices.

 

[Avalon]

I rather enjoyed Wipeout Pure for the week that I played it, and now I am addicted to Untold Legends. It's not a fantastic game, but it's an eerily addictive and enjoyable hack and slash.
For those of you with Wipeout Pure, head to PSP-hacks.com and enable web browsing support through your game. It's kinda neat

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Weak lineup? I challenge you to find a recent better console lineup at launch.

NDS or XBox spring quickly to mind. They each at least had one killer app- PSP has none. It has a lot of titles, which ones are really that good? I've gone through the critics picks- I'm open to suggestions. In terms of quantity of relatively decent games sure the PSP is hard to beat, but I'm not really looking for a stack of 'relatively decent' games.

I said, at launch. Dont try to pretend the Xbox had a better launch lineup.

And as has been said, Lumies is awesome.

Do you even own a PSP, and tried these games?

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Weak lineup? I challenge you to find a recent better console lineup at launch.

NDS or XBox spring quickly to mind. They each at least had one killer app- PSP has none. It has a lot of titles, which ones are really that good? I've gone through the critics picks- I'm open to suggestions. In terms of quantity of relatively decent games sure the PSP is hard to beat, but I'm not really looking for a stack of 'relatively decent' games.

I said, at launch. Dont try to pretend the Xbox had a better launch lineup.

And as has been said, Lumies is awesome.

Do you even own a PSP, and tried these games?

Hey, you're right about that. The Xbox's launch lineup sucked ass. I'm still sticking with GBA as the winner in terms of launch lineup, and N64 had a terrible software library in a cumulative sense, but a great launch lineup, since they had Super Mario 64 and Waverace.

Lumines is prtty good. I agree that there's no killer must-have game here, Acid SHOULD have been it, but apparently someone decided to mail it in. If Kojima directed this game, he should be ashamed of himself. Otherwise, he should have learned the Contra lesson from his own freaking company.

 

[QueBert]

Sony didn't need to lauch PSP with any killer apps. They knew off their name alone they would move a hell of a lot of units.

Lumines = Fun, I suck at it, but I like it. Not a must buy title, but keeps me entertained.
Ridge Racer = Great, gets boring for me in long spells, but I seem to wind up playing it a whole lot. I think last time I played it, it said I have driven 3000+ miles

Wipeout Pure = bad ass, not much different then the Wipeout's of the past, but why fix something that ain't broke? Love this game

NFL Streets = I have fun with this, reviewers seem to give it slightly lower score then I would, but this is a great multiplayer game.

those are just a few games. I think I'll go for a solid lineup with some selection, then a crappy lineup with ONE killer app. Matter of fact I think I'm about to go get NBA Showdown, was released today!

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Sony didn't need to lauch PSP with any killer apps. They knew off their name alone they would move a hell of a lot of units.

However, though their sales were solid, it was below expectations, so that's not entirely true.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Any tech head who holds a psp for any length of time and doesnt appreciate the engineering and technology that went into it, i dunno what u guys really want, some alien technology?

It is "engineered" in the Apple sense of the word too much unfortunately. The screen is unuseable with bright light due to the reflective surface they put over it. It would have been much better if they had made it a flip design(no need for the glossy screen cover and far more ergonomic button placement would be possible), went with a 16:9 aspect ratio screen instead of the halfway there(as stated, mine is mainly used for movies) and a set of $.10 speakers would have been a great improvement over the included ones. Earbuds pretty much suck too- although that is at least somewhat understandable as you have to spend ~$40 to get remotely decent portable cans anyway.

I think a gorgeous display like this is worth the gamble and return trips to walmart/target. In fact, I think the psp is undervalued at 250.

I would gladly have paid $400 for a PSP built by Nintendo or Matsushita, someone with much higher QC control then Sony(and vastly superior usability standards also).

I said, at launch. Dont try to pretend the Xbox had a better launch lineup.

Is that a joke? Halo and PGR are easily better then every game the PSP has to date without question. DOA3, which was a mediocre title in terms of the rest of the XB launch lineup, fairs quite well compared to anything on the PSP.

Sony didn't need to lauch PSP with any killer apps. They knew off their name alone they would move a hell of a lot of units.

If they had launched without any games I would have bought it and been quite pleased with it overall. It has served me very well as a media player. Actually looking a lot harder at the dual core chips(AMD and Intel) now as the idea of keeping PSP9 in the background busy encoding movies while still maintaining a responsive machine is becoming a big factor in the house.

An all around statement- I think this forum has way too many devout followers of companies. I'll gladly rip anyone when they screw something up even if it is a part of a product overall I like a lot. I've "sold" three PSPs now from my raving about it and showing it off to various people(along with some nice memory stick licensing kickback to Sony for the 512MB sticks) between those I work with and friends. Numerous others are now considering one who haven't before and none of them were too concerned with what games are available now or down the pipe. Sony designed an excellent media machine with a few faults- they made a platform with decent gaming potential- we have to wait to see if it will be exploited.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: kki000
Any tech head who holds a psp for any length of time and doesnt appreciate the engineering and technology that went into it, i dunno what u guys really want, some alien technology?

I wish there was a handeheld that had a DS flip design and Nintendo quality control with the PSP screen on top part. That it supported a some kind of common cheap removeable flash disk. Have Dreamcast graphics. And have 2 expansion ports, 1 which one battery has already taken up, but still removable, and another for interchangeable features, or... another battery for extra portability. And I would like it to be a MP3 and Movie player as well just as the PSP does.

Oh and have 6 button design like the sega genesis controllers. Get rid of the select button which is useless. Keep the start button and have some nice shoulder buttons. None of the buttons are pressure sensitive, just plain old digital. Hate that feature.

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: kki000
Any tech head who holds a psp for any length of time and doesnt appreciate the engineering and technology that went into it, i dunno what u guys really want, some alien technology?

This is not an engineering marvel, it's an ode to excess with poor QC. The GBASP was an engineering success.

By the way, as an addendum, the blur on Untold Legends makes my eyes hurt, and the location of the analog stick is uber-uncomfortable.

 

[Ackmed]

If its not an engineering marvel, tell me what other product does as much as it does, as good as it does?

How many games did the Xbox launch with... ? Halo? I dont like playing FPS' on the console, sorry. The PSP had a better lauch as far as games are concerned.

 

[VIAN]

Amped was just totally awsome. New type of innovational gameplay and some pretty cool tricks.

Halo (I don't like playing FPS on console either, but boy did this game kick ass) made me play it straight from 10 o'clock at night to 7 in the morning and I was bummed that my parents made me go to sleep.

Oddworld Munch's Oddysee. Holy crap was this game freakin awsome. Couldn't put it down. I call it the Super Mario of Xbox.

DOA3 was a pretty good game too, I like it better than Tekken.

Bloodwake was amazingly hard and a bit boring, but damn were the freaking graphics awsome on that game. And if it wasn't so hard, it might have been a better game.

Jet Set Radio FUture was also an amazing title, sure to hold you over for a month or more of nonstop playing.

Max Payne, nough said.

Other non-launch games that soon followed:

Gun Valkyrie. Amazing game, hard last boss, but wow, it's an amazing game. Never played anything like it before that gave me such an adrenaline rush. Timed levles that I used to think were a cheap way of having fun in every other game, but this game was so fcking awsome.

The game from the PSP are just rehashes, nothing new. If you own a PS2, then It's not worth it getting the PSp for gaming.

 

[Ackmed]

You call the games for the PSP a rehash? What do you think DOA3, Oddworlds, and other installments of the same game are?

If the PSP isnt any good, why is it out selling the DS in Japan? The DS used to dominate, but not anymore. The Nintendogs and Naruto are helping the DS though. Gimmicks only last so long..

Here is a news flash for some of you: You dont have to buy the PSP. You sound like babies crying about it too.

 

[doublejbass]

Those were all launch titles? Damn, not bad. And Ackmed, your personal hangups with FPS on consoles doesn't change the fact that Halo was an excellent game.

You may want to bow out until you learn the correct usage of "engineering."

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You call the games for the PSP a rehash? What do you think DOA3, Oddworlds, and other installments of the same game are?

If the PSP isnt any good, why is it out selling the DS in Japan? The DS used to dominate, but not anymore. The Nintendogs and Naruto are helping the DS though. Gimmicks only last so long..

Here is a news flash for some of you: You dont have to buy the PSP. You sound like babies crying about it too.

They are rehashes. Everything on the PSP can be found on the PS2. Maybe some aren't but half of those so called killer apps are.

It doesn't matter if cow crap was selling more than the DS in Japan. Who the hell are the Japanese anyway?! Go play your horse riding RPG.

You are right I don't have to buy a PSP, and I'm probably not going to. I had a bad first impression of the PSP. I don't buy garbage. I'm just trying to make the people who bought it feel like ass.

 

[imported_Noob]

Anybody know what the percentage is for defective PSP's?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: VIAN


Here is a news flash for some of you: You dont have to buy the PSP. You sound like babies crying about it too.

They are rehashes. Everything on the PSP can be found on the PS2. Maybe some aren't but half of those so called killer apps are.

It doesn't matter if cow crap was selling more than the DS in Japan. Who the hell are the Japanese anyway?! Go play your horse riding RPG.

You are right I don't have to buy a PSP, and I'm probably not going to. I had a bad first impression of the PSP. I don't buy garbage. I'm just trying to make the people who bought it feel like ass. [/quote]

I didnt say most of the PSP games were not a rehash. I said the first Xbox games you listed were too, making you hypocritical.

It does matter if it selling in Japan. Its not been out here long enough to enough stats to compare. While what sells in Japan, doesnt always mean it will sell the same way over here, it can be an indicator. I dont play RPG's, let alone a horse riding one, good try though.

System Sales this week Total this year
PlayStation 2 30,572 755,273
PlayStation Portable 28,950 724,872
Nintendo DS 21,698 579,119

http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm

You are not doing a good job. I like my PSP, and I play it a lot. I also like having portable movies, music and pics. The only reason I even have second thoughts about buying it, is because I could have gotten new pipes for my bike.. now I gotta hold off on that for a few more months.

 

[VIAN]

I don't see them as rehashes.

DOA3 doesn't count. Most sport games are rehashes.

 

[Ackmed]

Of course you dont, that would make you a hypocrite.

 

[BenSkywalker]

How many games did the Xbox launch with... ?

Project Gotham Racing and Madden were also launch titles that Vian missed listing. In the case of PGR it is easily better then any of the titles on the PSP as of now(I have high hopes that GT4 Mobile will bury it though).