Sony PSP 2 to use Nvidia'a Tegra 2 chip

[SlowSpyder]

They have been pissed off since the GTX460 *shrugs*

Yea, I'm sure AMD fans are really pissed that Nvidia was finally able to get a decent, well rounded part out. Something they haven't been able to do since January of 09. A year and a half later they finally get a decent part out, I'm sure AMD fans are quite angry.

The 460 rules at $200. Below that the 5770. The 5850 at $280 falls in line (though given the 460's performance I think the 5850 should be closer to $250). Than the 470, 5870, 480, 5970... everything is priced as it should as you go up the performance ladder. What's there to be pissed at by AMD or Nvidia fans? Nvidia released a part that should put some pressure on AMD, we really haven't seen that since the GTX2xx / Radeon 4xxx days.

As far as Tegra is concerned, I do think this is semi big for Nvidia if true. It may or may not be a huge money maker, but Tegra seems to reallly be struggling in the market place. If they can get Tegra 2 in the PSP that could be the life line Tegra may need. Despite the hype, it's just not in a lot of devices at this point. But, is Tegra 2 really powerful enough for PSP2? I thought it was aimed more at cell phones and such. I'm not super familiar, so maybe I'm wrong? If it is aimed at cell phones and PDA / GPS type devices, it's and odd choice in my opinion.

 

[tincart]

If this is true, then given the lack of design wins for Tegra 2 thus far, the biggest benefit will probably be increased exposure to other vendors.

The discussions about possible revenue, interesting as they may be, are just too speculative to be useful. Some companies, such as Cirrus Logic are making some great revenue selling 90 cent audio chips to Apple, but Cirrus is an order of magnitude smaller than nV.

Either way: Another thread of bombast and idle speculation starring happy_medium. What's new?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yea, I'm sure AMD fans are really pissed that Nvidia was finally able to get a decent, well rounded part out. Something they haven't been able to do since January of 09. A year and a half later they finally get a decent part out, I'm sure AMD fans are quite angry.

The 460 rules at $200. Below that the 5770. The 5850 at $280 falls in line (though given the 460's performance I think the 5850 should be closer to $250). Than the 470, 5870, 480, 5970... everything is priced as it should as you go up the performance ladder. What's there to be pissed at by AMD or Nvidia fans? Nvidia released a part that should put some pressure on AMD, we really haven't seen that since the GTX2xx / Radeon 4xxx days.

As far as Tegra is concerned, I do think this is semi big for Nvidia if true. It may or may not be a huge money maker, but Tegra seems to reallly be struggling in the market place. If they can get Tegra 2 in the PSP that could be the life line Tegra may need. Despite the hype, it's just not in a lot of devices at this point. But, is Tegra 2 really powerful enough for PSP2? I thought it was aimed more at cell phones and such. I'm not super familiar, so maybe I'm wrong? If it is aimed at cell phones and PDA / GPS type devices, it's and odd choice in my opinion.

I only care for one thing:
Performance

The rest is only stuff that get brought up when ones favourite sides dosn't have the performance crown.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I only care for one thing:
Performance

The rest is only stuff that get brought up when ones favourite sides dosn't have the performance crown.

That's why you were loudly championing the 5870 when it was the fastest single GPU for half a year, right? Since you only care about performance, I'm sure you have a 5970... oh, wait.

 

[Keysplayr]

That's why you were loudly championing the 5870 when it was the fastest single GPU for half a year, right? Since you only care about performance, I'm sure you have a 5970... oh, wait.

Way to perpetuate the animosity. I hope you got your fix for today.

In the end, you shouldn't care what he likes or does not like. As he shouldn't care about what you like or do not like.

 

[Lonbjerg]

That's why you were loudly championing the 5870 when it was the fastest single GPU for half a year, right? Since you only care about performance, I'm sure you have a 5970... oh, wait.

I always run single GPU, because SLI/Crossfire isn't a sure thing.
I always wait for both compaines to deliver before buying.

List looks like this:

RIVA TNT2 Ultra
GeForce 256
GeForce 2 Pro
GeForce3 Ti 500
GeForce4 Ti 4200
Radeon 9800 Pro
GeForce 6800 GT
Radeon X1900 Pro <-( Here I changed to buying "refresh", more mature cards)
GeForce 8800 GT
GeForce GTX 285

IMHO the best of the "ages".

And it will be either the S.I. or "Fermi" refresh that gets my money.
Most likely NVIDIA since I like GPU physics and ATI hasn't done much but talk about it since 2006.

And NVIDI's tessalation(DX11) looks to perform better ATM...but the list of DX11 games are smaller than PhysX games, so DX11 isn't all that important for me right now.

If I cared about watt/noise/fanstickers/fuzzy-warm-feelings the list might look different, but I am to old for that sort of fluff...performance is king, as I buy enthusiast grade....no grandma-looky-feely-nicey-cards.

 

[happy medium]

Lonyo, that 300 million over 5 years is from one single handheld product. I think you are overlooking that amazing little detail. For a single handheld device, 300 million is absolutely enormous. As we continue to see Tegra make it's way into cell phones, tablets, automotive GPS, and keep going.

@ Happy Medium. Maybe you could back off a little on your Nvidia ad campaign? You've started a lot of threads lately (page 1 has six) and I think it might be just to piss ATI fans off.
I'm sitting here, aging, waiting for your maturity to arrive.

What you should be looking at is the interest in my threads?
6 threads with 4,800 views. Just because a chosen few don't like it, I should post less? is this another new rule for just for me?

Oh, and thanks for the personal attack, insulting my maturity level?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

What you should be looking at is the interest in my threads?
6 threads with 4,800 views. Just because a chosen few don't like it, I should post less? is this another new rule for just for me?

Oh, and thanks for the personal attack, insulting my maturity level?

Don't worry as long as you are starting nvidia related threads nothing is going to be done to them.

 

[happy medium]

Don't worry as long as you are starting nvidia related threads nothing is going to be done to them.

There is just no real ATI news, the cards have been disected for months.
Just S.I. and theres really nothing concrete about it.

Am I wrong?

 

[extra]

I'm waiting to see if microsoft makes a zune hd 2 with a tegra 2, lol.

 

[happy medium]

I'm waiting to see if microsoft makes a zune hd 2 with a tegra 2, lol.

I want them to make a portable Xbox system with it....Hint hint

 

[RussianSensation]

Unless someone can post numbers I'd like to make it simple. ATI powers the Xbox 360 and pretty much all Nintendo systems since the Game Cube. And ATI was still having financial problems.

AMD had financial problems. ATI has been profitable for a long time. On an aggregate basis, AMD was having financial problems even with profitable ATI division.

As far as Tegra goes, it is true that it's not a $ maker for NV at this point.
"The company is also developing Tegra-series of system-on-chips (SoCs) for smartphones, slates and other ultra-mobile devices. But that consumer products business (CPB), which also includes license, royalty, other revenue and associated costs related to video game consoles and other digital consumer electronics devices only brought about $31.23 million to the company last quarter, which is 3.11% of the revenue.'
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...ersonal_Computers_Will_Soon_Seem_Archaic.html

 

[wlee15]

AMD had financial problems. ATI has been profitable for a long time. On an aggregate basis, AMD was having financial problems even with profitable ATI division.

As far as Tegra goes, it is true that it's not a $ maker for NV at this point.
"The company is also developing Tegra-series of system-on-chips (SoCs) for smartphones, slates and other ultra-mobile devices. But that consumer products business (CPB), which also includes license, royalty, other revenue and associated costs related to video game consoles and other digital consumer electronics devices only brought about $31.23 million to the company last quarter, which is 3.11% of the revenue.'
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...ersonal_Computers_Will_Soon_Seem_Archaic.html

That division actually had operating lost of about $40 million in the last two quarters.

 

[CZroe]

I highly doubt ATI gets even $5 per Gamecube/Wii. The chip was designed and completed by ArtX as an independant GPU design firm. ATI bought them just close enough to the Gamecube's launch to get their logo on it. The team eventually went on to produce the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, which put ATI back on top for a while.

Anyway, the Wii has the same GPU. Smaller process, faster clock speeds, same engineering. Engineering-wise, all Nintendo did was add a little ARM CPU hidden to handle protections and that's it, so we have a 10 year old GPU powering the Wii. $5 per console to ATI for that would surprise me. If every component maker got $5 out of the Gamecube, it would not have been profitable at $100 (supposedly, it was).

 

[BenSkywalker]

NintendoDS- 11/24/2004
Radeon x800/850- 12/1/2004

XBox 360- 11/22/2005
Radeon x1900- 12/4/2006

Wii- 11/19/2006
Radeon 2900xt- 5/14/2007

People wondering why the console contracts are so incredibly lucrative should keep the above in mind. ~8&#37; of ATi's revenue is coming from parts released, at the most recent, prior to the the 2900xt timeframe. How much money you think ATi has made of the x800 in the last three years? Or the x1900 in the last two years, or the 2900 in the last year? While the total revenue for any given quarter on the consoles is not going to look that good, it is absolute insane in terms of RoI when looked at from a long term perspective. Unlike the GPU market, you make money for years after all R&D costs are long covered as the norm.

If this is true, then given the lack of design wins for Tegra 2 thus far, the biggest benefit will probably be increased exposure to other vendors.

They could land the 3DS and PSP2 and it wouldn't impact their exposure to other vendors at all. Dell and Moto both have major designs coming using Tegra2(along with several others on the drawing board, those two have simply started hyping their products). The ultra portable market works a lot differently then bleeding edge GPU/CPUs- finished products often take more then a year before they actually appear in anything for sale.

On the general PSP2/Tegra2 rumor- not sure that I buy it. Last I was hearing was Sony using a basic rasterizer with Cell backing it up. Not saying it wouldn't be a better setup, but Sony building the PSP with what is looking to be the standard cell phone setup for next years high end doesn't make a lot of sense to me.