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wabwab

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Regarding tape lubricants: I'm going to take back what I said earlier. I just took apart a Sony, a Fuji, a Panasonic and a TDK tape and found no evidence of any lubricants in the tape, either particulate or liquid. So from that, I'd say it probably doesn't hurt a thing to switch brands.

Regarding TDK Red & Green: This is the same tape as the black and gold packaged tapes at most retail outlets in the US but we imported the Red and Green ones from Japan ourselves right after Christmas.

Regarding slow speed recording: I never recommend slow speed recording for any format, but I know lots of people do it and are ok with the results. No matter what you do, slow speed recording means you are more likely to have a dropout and the dropouts you have are going to be worse. The slower the recording speed the more important the finer grain tape becomes. With slow speed recording I'd only consider using Sony EX tapes or Panasonic PQ tapes. The best would probably be to use DVCam tapes, if your camera will accept them.

Regarding SVHS vs VHS tapes: Myself, I go the other extreme I use SVHS tapes for my VHS recordings. I find that SVHS tape is worth the extra money because the tape surface seems to be more consistent and gives me a better signal to noise ratio, which is the sticking point for VHS. I've always hated how noisy the video is on VHS recordings and using a really high quality VHS deck with SVHS tapes gives me the best result. Many of the better decks will play back SVHS recordings. I'm not familiar with the Philips deck that you mention, but perhaps you should buy one SVHS tape and experiment with it.
 

wabwab

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Does any body know where these articles on the internet are that talk about problems with switching brands of Mini DV tape? I'd like to read them myself and see what I think.
 

try

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The switching-tape-brands thing was a big deal a couple of years ago (incomplete spec apperently) but was supposed to have been fixed back then. All the same, I stick with Sony media unless I'm on vacation and didn't bring enough blanks.
 

Ahhhk

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TapeResources has always treated me GREAT and is just an all-around great company - something rare these days. <cough> Maybe BestBuy should take some pointers! hehe

Anyway, my attitude has always been "If it aint broke, dont fix it". So, it would take a LOT more than 10 cent a tape to get me to even try a differant company than TR.

Just my 10 cents worth,

Ahhhk!
 

thomaspan

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Hi,

I have found out this web site talking about miniDV Lubricants:
http://www.hosannaproductions.com/tips/minidv_lubricants.html

Tonight, I went to Fry's to check out and only found clean tapes for dry lubricants. Notice Panasonic PQ and Sony PR2 all have wet lubricants. Don't mention Sony EX though.

Another question I have is that besides Sony EX and Panasonic EJ, we still have IC miniDV tapes on the market, such as Sony E and Panasonic EL. What's the difference compared to those tapes without IC chips?

-Thomas
 

junthin

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Just some feedback about this company since I bought some tapes a few weeks back.

The Good:
They Shipped Promptly (same day shipping)
Items came as described
Fast replies to emails

The Bad:
Lack of packaging material to protect tape (filler, bubble wrap, newspaper, etc)

That's my take on it. Would I order from them again, yes, but I would request that they at least put some packaging material in the box they put the tapes in, since the tapes were just banging around (didn't hurt anything, but I'm paranoid :eek:). :( But good overall service. ;)
 

alexruiz

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I usually buy at tapeandmedia.com, they have great selection, good prices and good shipping.

I have used both panasonic and sony. The panasonic PQ is better IMO than the sony PR (almost a tie with the sony EX). However, the best tape you can get right now is the panasonic MQ (master quality). Those tapes are fantastic. If you have a 3 CCD miniDV camcorder and use the panasonic MQ tapes, you have almost broadcast quality.

Switching tapes is not bad, but I try to do it by "batches" (use all the sonys, then all the panasonics) Clean the heads when switching to a different kind of tape (5 secs is plenty)

my 2 cents
 

wabwab

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Regarding tapes with memory chips: The recording quality is the same with or without a memory chip in the tape. 99% of the people who buy the tapes with the memory chip do so because the Sony manual recommends tapes with memory chips. However at least 90% of these same people don't use any of the features and functions that require the memory chip. Before you spend the extra money to buy tapes with memory chips I'd recommend that you read your manual very carefully, looking for features that are only available if you use the tapes with the memory chips.

We sell both:
tapes with memory chips and tapes without memory chips.
 

stlblew

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I checked out the link above about tape lubricants as well as the Maxell tech bulletin found there. So...what it basically sounds like is that the Sony DVM60PR2 tapes area not wise to use because of their wet lubricants. Not necessarily gumming up the heads but more the tape transport. I'm not sure I know how to thoroughly clean the tape transport. I'm very new to mini DV use and started with a Sony tape. I haven't really run even an entire tape through the camera yet and am feeling I should quickly switch to some Fuji DVM60ME's I've bought already. I purchased my camera online and they didn't suggest a cleaner. What with CD's and the a self-cleaning VHS player I've had for so many years I didn't even think about cleaning tapes. I suppose they'll have them at CC or Best Buy.
 

blahsome

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A little OT, but could any experts here point me to a site that provides comprehensive camcorder guides and reviews?

I'm looking for a digital camcorder with the following characteristics:

1. around or below $1,000
2. IEEE 1394
3. good video and passing audio quality
4. external mic supported, if possible

Any recommendations?

Thanks.
 

Rainguy

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wabwab, I bought 10 tapes from you and they were shipped fairly fast and the price was good. One thing I was disappointed in was that you sent out the invoice in the box with the full credit card # displayed. That is a big No No. You need to have your invoicing software strip all but the last 4 digits before printing it out and shipping.
Thanks
 

wabwab

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That's a good point about the credit card number. We use Yahoo Store and unfortunately that's how the orders get faxed to the warehouse. I'll look into getting it changed.

I really think the stuff about the lubricants is a bunch of crap. See my earlier posts to this thread.

Regards,

Christian Swanson
TapeStockOnline.com
Your lowest price source for video tape

Mini DV * Hi-8 * SVHS * VHS * Betacam SP * Digi Beta * DVCPro * DVCam * DAT * DVD-R
 

alexruiz

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Hey wabwab, nice prices. I have usually bought at the competition, but I can make the switch. Have you thought about including Panasonic MQ tapes (Master quality - white tapes)???

By the way, what is the difference between the TDK green and red???
 

bannstr

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<< Dude, if you say the Sony and Panasonic tapes use different lubes, what does the TDK use? Or Fuji, for that matter? >>



Note that certain OEM store brands use no lubricant. For example, Best Buy uses no lubricant. BB just has you bend over and then tells you to enjoy it.
 

wabwab

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Regarding tape lubricants: I recently took apart a Sony, a Fuji, a Panasonic and a TDK tape and found no evidence of any lubricants in the tape, either particulate or liquid. So from that, I'd say it probably doesn't hurt a thing to switch brands.

Regarding TDK Red & Green: This is the same tape as the black and gold packaged tapes at most retail outlets in the US but we imported a large quantity of the Red and Green ones from Japan ourselves right after Christmas.
 

SugarTooth

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All MiniDV tapes have lubricant. This is a fact. Some use "wet" lubricant (like Sony), some use "dry" lubricant. You generally can't see the lubricant. It is also true that many people have had a "tape crinkle" problem and have deduced through careful process of elimination that the cause was almost certainly "gunk" that was caused by mixing lubricants. It is not as common these days as it was a few years ago, as the problem usually involves Sony tapes and it was rumored that Sony changed their formulation. Also, it seems to affect certain cameras more than others. It most commonly occurs when one particular brand is used for a long period of time, and then another brand is used. The problem will probably never affect anyone reading this, but if you are worried, the best way to avoid it is to either:

A) Stick with one brand forever.
B) Switch brands every once in awhile (every 5 tapes maybe?)

Happy shooting,

ST
 

mrbass

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I bought 75 Panasonic mini-dv 60 min tapes in 1996 for $8/each in Japan (Nipponbashi). Panasonic AY-DVM60E. So I'll vouch that prices have come down in half in 6 years which is great. Time to pick up a bunch more. My camera was $2,200 at the time and I'm sure it'd be around $800-$1,000 now.
 

wabwab

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As I mentioned before, I took them apart and found no evidence of lubrication. If there's lubrication, its something applied to the tape surface with some pretty tight adhesion, because I can't scrape it off with a knife. I've saved samples of each brand of tape, so if anyone has an idea how I can test it to see what lubricant has been applied, I'll do it.

Regards,

Christian Swanson
TapeStockOnline.com
Your lowest price source for video tape

Mini DV * Hi-8 * SVHS * VHS * Betacam SP * Digi Beta * DVCPro * DVCam * DAT * DVD-R
 

Yipee

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I inadvertently placed my order twice!

How do I cancel an Order at TapeStockOnline.com...Help!
 

FreebieBoy

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Mar 10, 2002
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i just want to buy 1 but you can't do that with these guys. I want to test the quality of 2-3 different brands but i am not ordering 4 minimum of each. anyone know of any other deals out there because cc and bb just want to rip you off by charging over 10$ for each.