Sony Blocks Movies from Xbox 360

[mugs]

Originally posted by: destrekor
I posted my opinion, because people need to stop hating on Sony but yet praising Microsoft/Netflix. Both Microsoft and Sony are competing, and they are going to do things that in effect, hurts the other, not necessarily just do things that help them.

I'm just going to repost my response from the NXE thread:

Funny, those titles did work last weekend. I watched some of the Dilbert series (which I also own on DVD) on my 360. Stupid Sony... yeah, Microsoft is their competitors. But technically so is Netflix and so is Roku (both compete with Sony's video rental service), and so is every other computer manufacturer other than Sony. Has LG released that Netflix/Blu-ray hybrid thing they were talking about? LG competes with Sony in the entire consumer electronics market. Any device that you could possibly stream Netflix to (other than a Sony PC) is competing with Sony.

Dumbasses. I might be tempted to stop buying Sony products if I hadn't already stopped buying Sony products years ago (aside from game consoles) because they use their reputation for good quality to charge premium prices for shit quality.



Edit:
And I'll add that if Sony does refuse to allow their content on the 360, what's going to happen when purchasable, downloadable DRMed movies are mainstream? Am I going to have to worry that Sony isn't going to let me transfer their movies to my Panasonic device because Sony has a competing device?

 

[oznerol]

When I come in to threads like these, I am almost always certain which people will post what comments before I even read any.

It's like NPD threads only nowhere near as funny.

When a company does something shitty, they shouldn't be defended. Period. It doesn't matter if it's "just business" or if their competitor has also done something shitty. If you don't call these assholes out for, well, being assholes, then they're going to shit on you every chance they get.

Anyway, I'm fairly certain this will get resolved. Sony will get paid, the licensing issue will be settled and everyone will be happy. Sure, Microsoft is Sony's competitor, but limiting distribution is not a sound business practice. Especially not when it's just a matter of paying fees.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: destrekor
I posted my opinion, because people need to stop hating on Sony but yet praising Microsoft/Netflix. Both Microsoft and Sony are competing, and they are going to do things that in effect, hurts the other, not necessarily just do things that help them.

I'm just going to repost my response from the NXE thread:

Funny, those titles did work last weekend. I watched some of the Dilbert series (which I also own on DVD) on my 360. Stupid Sony... yeah, Microsoft is their competitors. But technically so is Netflix and so is Roku (both compete with Sony's video rental service), and so is every other computer manufacturer other than Sony. Has LG released that Netflix/Blu-ray hybrid thing they were talking about? LG competes with Sony in the entire consumer electronics market. Any device that you could possibly stream Netflix to (other than a Sony PC) is competing with Sony.

Dumbasses. I might be tempted to stop buying Sony products if I hadn't already stopped buying Sony products years ago (aside from game consoles) because they use their reputation for good quality to charge premium prices for shit quality.



Edit:
And I'll add that if Sony does refuse to allow their content on the 360, what's going to happen when purchasable, downloadable DRMed movies are mainstream? Am I going to have to worry that Sony isn't going to let me transfer their movies to my Panasonic device because Sony has a competing device?

the console market is basically a completely separate market than CE, obvious by the fact that an entire department at Sony is dedicated to just console devices, with CE handled by the rest of Sony. So, just because they are competitors elsewhere I doubt you'll see much issues.
And no doubt Sony has a history of overcharging for products that are far from worth their price. Aside from Sony's LCoS TVs, I haven't been impressed with much from them at all, and even less when looking at their pricing. In fact, I pretty much abstain from purchasing anything Sony except for consoles too. In fact, I'm pretty sure their consoles ARE the only things I own from Sony. I more often buy Philips, Samsung, or LG for CE.

If downloadable, DRM movies become mainstream, then I doubt you'll see Sony start preventing their movies from being played on any particular device. But the fact is, at this moment, Sony is doing what it can to get BD to be the mainstream format for the next decade, while the broadband capability of the US catches and is able to handle BD-quality streaming with full master-quality surround sound. I'm sure Sony is betting on the fact that eventually streaming/downloading will be the most common movie viewing style, however, I wonder if we'll ever completely ditch disc-based media. I mean, I'd rather have a physical copy if I'm going to own a movie.

 

[Kur]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Kur
I thought the year of sony bashing was done?

It appears that the sudden yoinking of Columbia Pictures films from NXE Instant Queue access is a licensing issue with Sony after all. MTV Multiplayer pinged us with word that, on the rental service's official blog, Netflix corp. communications VP Steve Swasey writes:

"As watching instantly becomes a more prominent part of the Netflix service, our goal is to have all of our streaming content licensed for all of our partner devices. We're doing well in this area, but it will take some time before we fully achieve that goal. Today, titles regularly come in and out of license and there is a natural ebb and flow to what we have on license at any given point in time. In the case of Xbox 360, a few hundred titles are temporarily unavailable to be streamed via the Xbox game console. Those titles are still available to be watched on subscribers' computers and on TVs via other partner devices, and we hope they'll be licensed for Xbox 360 shortly."

Source

I see you guys are using the jump to conclusions mat again...

Good job bolding the part of the post that is not applicable to this thread. There is a natural ebb and flow to what is available, and you'll see that in your Netflix queue as "Until <date>." Separate from that there is a set of movies, coincidentally the ones from Sony-owned Columbia Pictures, that are available to be streamed on any Netflix-enabled device except the Xbox 360 (and which were, as it happens, available to be streamed to the Xbox 360 this past weekend if you had the new dash). Netflix hopes to have those movies available later, but that's up to Sony.

This has nothing to do with the "natural ebb and flow" of movies going in and out of license.

You don't see to understand the movie industry's licensing concept. New hardware = new contract. So you bought that movie on tape, wait you want it on DVD too? Buy it again.

It's the same concept, just sony most likely wants more money because it's being streamed to a competitor's console instead of their own. How you feel if you were in sony's shoes?

You can buy Sony movies through XBL, so sony will come around just late to the game like always. So stop crying about it, it's not the end of the world, hell won't freeze over.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Baked
I laughed.

MS: "LOL, let's throw another chunk of money at Netflix and get exclusive rights like everything in our library. Don't worry, as long as we throw contents at the consumers, they'll forget about the shitty quality of our systems."

Sony: "Fuck it, have our lawyers write a letter to Neflix and block all our movies from getting streamed to Xbox 360."

I find it funny that you think the 360 is a shitty console. Yes, there was one problem with the initial design, but it carries a 3 year warranty now for that problem, and the redesign runs great.

I wouldn't consider Netflix's streaming movies just more content either.

It's even funnier considering his PS3 broke Some are blinded by their fanboyism.

EDIT: just to add to the thread, it's Columbia Pictures (owned by Sony) streaming rentals to the 360 that don't work. Sony Picture Entertainment movies still work. I'll bet it really is a licensing issue as the Netflix Comm VP stated.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: mugs
Edit:
And I'll add that if Sony does refuse to allow their content on the 360, what's going to happen when purchasable, downloadable DRMed movies are mainstream? Am I going to have to worry that Sony isn't going to let me transfer their movies to my Panasonic device because Sony has a competing device?

There are similarities, but there's so much more going on here. The PS3 and 360 are competing devices, but they differ from your example because they play different games and therefore have different audiences. By MS getting Netflix to agree to a console exclusive deal with the 360 they [MS and Netflix] crossed a distinct line which makes this a different situation than simply competing movie players that play the same media. They turned the movie content into a bullet point for the 360 over the PS3. But since Sony owns some of said content they still have the ability to throw a wrench into the deal. This is NOT the same situation as with PCs or other general media players.

 

[AstroManLuca]

So I suppose it is too much to ask to be able to pay a certain monthly rate to be able to stream whatever movies I want to whatever hardware I already own? It's bad enough that copyright holders are so stingy that they charge ridiculous rates to access this oh-so-valuable content they all have and force me to sign up for multiple things just to be able to see what I want. I know $9/mo for Netflix streaming isn't crazy, but that's just one library of movies. Then there are music subscription services, and alternative movie streaming services that have different movies from Netflix. On top of all that, now I have to buy special hardware just to use them?

It's ridiculous. Back in the days of VHS, it was simple. Put tape in player, go. DVDs made it a bit harder with regions, but that was not usually a big issue, and it was pretty easily circumvented with a computer and a DVD burner. Now we have a gigantic clusterfuck where you could theoretically pay all these huge companies hundreds of dollars a month and still not be able to watch or listen to whatever you damn well please.

Fuck it. Like I said, it's no surprise people are downloading stuff online more now than ever before.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
So I suppose it is too much to ask to be able to pay a certain monthly rate to be able to stream whatever movies I want to whatever hardware I already own? It's bad enough that copyright holders are so stingy that they charge ridiculous rates to access this oh-so-valuable content they all have and force me to sign up for multiple things just to be able to see what I want. I know $9/mo for Netflix streaming isn't crazy, but that's just one library of movies. Then there are music subscription services, and alternative movie streaming services that have different movies from Netflix. On top of all that, now I have to buy special hardware just to use them?

It's ridiculous. Back in the days of VHS, it was simple. Put tape in player, go. DVDs made it a bit harder with regions, but that was not usually a big issue, and it was pretty easily circumvented with a computer and a DVD burner. Now we have a gigantic clusterfuck where you could theoretically pay all these huge companies hundreds of dollars a month and still not be able to watch or listen to whatever you damn well please.

Fuck it. Like I said, it's no surprise people are downloading stuff online more now than ever before.

That's what happens when you get different companies offering their own flavor of movie service. You'll get certain studios signing on for some services, or only certain movies available from most/all studios, but again, not all movies. The streaming from netflix is a big point for this: they offer a shit-ton of movies for disc-rental, but only a handful in comparison for streaming. Sure, a lot of big movies, but far from all.
And now with the discs, finally all studios signed on to Blu-ray, and the region system is far more friendly with BD than DVD, but it'll take forever for even recent catalog movies to hit BD, but thankfully every major studio is now releasing BD the same date as the DVD. But due to the HD market penetration, it's not going to sell as well as DVD, possibly for BD's entire lifespan.

And that's free market competition for ya, what with proprietary systems/services everywhere. But the big point I see you making, and I agree, yeah, every movie offered on disc should be available to stream. But that's not going to happen for a long time, and with netflix, it's simply an extra feature that you technically aren't paying for, rather, you are paying for the disc rentals and streaming is a luxury.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: destrekor
I posted my opinion, because people need to stop hating on Sony but yet praising Microsoft/Netflix. Both Microsoft and Sony are competing, and they are going to do things that in effect, hurts the other, not necessarily just do things that help them.
While 'fueling' was a bad word, it still is pretty much correct, because if you still rent a disc or stream in some other manner, Sony is still winning out. Either being paid for streaming rights, or potentially getting Netflix to purchase more copies of the disc if demand increases. Because one person, yes, won't do anything, but a lot can definitely have that effect.

The fact that you keep reiterating that you're tired of people hating on sony but not microsoft/netflix (lol cause they had an agreement together), shows your bias enoguh already. Going into an agreement with another company to be exclusive is one thing. To be bitter and to do something distasteful as this is another such as PURPOSELY pissing off consumers that are legally trying to enjoy content that is available to everything else. Microsoft may have done some dirty stuff before, but in this case, I would hardly say a exclusivity contract is one of them...

Like i said earlier, this is most likely a licensing issue so this is pointless.

And no one is debating whether or not streaming gives the same high quality. We all know it isn't, hence why I'm not just paying ONLY to stream. Hell, you pay 40 bucks for cable television, but for 8.99, you can rent unlimited amount of blurays and dvds PLUS you can stream SD and HD content instantly.

Also, TECHNICALLY we are paying for it. Go read up on it before you go spouting your mouth about something you have no clue about.

 

[Ramma2]

Microsoft Windows runs on Sony computers.

Fuck Sony.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: NaOH
The fact that you keep reiterating that you're tired of people hating on sony but not microsoft/netflix (lol cause they had an agreement together), shows your bias enoguh already. Going into an agreement with another company to be exclusive is one thing. To be bitter and to do something distasteful as this is another such as PURPOSELY pissing off consumers that are legally trying to enjoy content that is available to everything else. Microsoft may have done some dirty stuff before, but in this case, I would hardly say a exclusivity contract is one of them...

You act like Sony owes MS something. Why should they stand by and allow MS and Netflix to use their content for a directly competing platform when they are in a position to leverage some sort of concession out of the deal? There's nothing personal here, it's just business. And don't bother talking about their customers as they have a PS3 customer base to make happy as well. In the end something will likely get worked, but chances are Sony will come away with something more than if they hadn't done anything. I mean, I know it's popular to bash on Sony, but it's just business.

 

[Oyeve]

All MS has to do is come out with a BRD player for the 360, either as an add-on or incorporated into another model 360, at a cheap price and this will put Sony in the coffin they so deserve to be in.

 

[tk149]

The fanboism is strong here. How do we know that Sony is the culprit here?

The original article is very misleading and consists of mere speculation.

The author mentions that Netflix wouldn't comment, but didn't bother trying to contact Sony. It's pretty clear that there's some serious bias here.

The MTV article gives more information, but again only mentions Netflix's comments. No mention of an attempt to contact Sony.

Maybe Netflix is the one who decided not to carry Sony content for the 360? A previous poster mentioned that Netflix has Director-level ties with Microsoft. Maybe Netflix is trying to screw Sony. Netflix's comments in the MTV article make it sound like they're still in contract negotiations, but doesn't specifically say so. Who knows what the truth is?

That being said, if this really is Sony's fault and their motivation is trying to push the PS3 over the 360, then they really suck donkey balls. Same for Netflix if they're trying to screw Sony. The only real losers here are the customers who lose out on content. 🙁

And it sucks that MS bought exclusivity rights to Netflix downloads.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: NaOH
The fact that you keep reiterating that you're tired of people hating on sony but not microsoft/netflix (lol cause they had an agreement together), shows your bias enoguh already. Going into an agreement with another company to be exclusive is one thing. To be bitter and to do something distasteful as this is another such as PURPOSELY pissing off consumers that are legally trying to enjoy content that is available to everything else. Microsoft may have done some dirty stuff before, but in this case, I would hardly say a exclusivity contract is one of them...

You act like Sony owes MS something. Why should they stand by and allow MS and Netflix to use their content for a directly competing platform when they are in a position to leverage some sort of concession out of the deal? There's nothing personal here, it's just business. And don't bother talking about their customers as they have a PS3 customer base to make happy as well. In the end something will likely get worked, but chances are Sony will come away with something more than if they hadn't done anything. I mean, I know it's popular to bash on Sony, but it's just business.

I think what people find stupid is that they are already licensed and agreed to the service, however they restrict streaming to one particular box, which is really an abstract variable when you think about it.

Anyways I'm a believer in the idea that this will be cleared up in the near future because it's not like MS and Sony don't need each other in other markets. MS has Sony BMG content on the Zune marketplace, although perhaps Sony has given up on that market.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: tk149
Maybe Netflix is trying to screw Sony.

I doubt this. All the movies in question work everywhere except on an Xbox 360 so it really isn't doing anything to hurt Sony.

 

[Dumac]

ITT people hate on Sony for no reason while slobbering over Microsoft's assery at the same time.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dumac
ITT people hate on Sony for no reason while slobbering over Microsoft's assery at the same time.

ITT people get butt-hurt because Sony is being criticized yet again.

 

[Jeffg010]

Instead of Sony pissing on people why don't they get something to the market that is innovative? When was Sony going to do movie streaming Oh Ya that right there was nothing in the near future from Sony. MS gets shit to the market. Look at live it gets to the market first and where is Sony's home Oh Ya that?s right it is becoming anther Duke Nukem. The last thing Sony had was the PS2 since then they done nothing innovative. I'm not trying to be a Sony hater but the fact is that Sony has not done anything innovative for quite sometime. MS gives what people want and Sony gives us NOTHING.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasianValid as your points may be, you have to look at this from the consumers perspective, and to most people what MS did is okay, and what Sony did is just low and immature.

Yeah, I understand that part, I don't like either side doing what they did. I'm getting sick of the exclusive crap like XBOX did with HDDVD and now this. I get why they did it, and I also get why Sony did what they did, but I don't like either.

I'm with you. I didn't know that MS bought exclusivity rights to Netflix streaming for consoles, but that is pretty low IMO. They've been doing that for a lot of stuff (lots of Xbox-exclusive DLC). They should be trying to make the Xbox 360 good on its own merits, not just from buying exclusive rights to stuff. That's something EA would do.

And Sony has their blu ray player, and their own exclusive games...what's your point. Every console has their exclusive content or else we would have the same consoles..

This does nothing but further piss off people who just want to enjoy services that they are paying for. I'm not going to go out and buy a ps3 because they blocked off some movies that I can still rent normally through the regular disc method.

And what are you doing there? Giving Sony what they want.

Sony's end goal here, is not necessarily to get people to buy their consoles, but to take away from the 360/Netflix streaming partnership. And what will people do? If they want to watch movies that happen to be under Sony, they'll just rent/buy the discs. That's fueling the disc-based revenue for Sony, which is partly the end goal.

As a consumer, I do not care what so ever about either issue here: Microsoft having an exclusive Netflix agreement, and Sony blocking netflix-x360 streaming. Why? I do not subscribe to Netflix and do not care, and even if I did, I hate streaming as I foam at the mouth for HD.

What are you talking about? I have always been subscribed to one of these online rental places. I just recently switched to netflix because they have this streaming option which is a big plus in my book even if sony takes away streaming their movies only on the 360. You know why? Because I can still stream on my computer. I can still rent them like i normally would through the mail. So I'm only being inconvenienced by not having the option to stream these certain movies, which only a handful I would watch anyways. How am I fueling anything if I was already subscribed because I like to get movies in the mail? Explain that to me.

Also, even if they wanted more profits, they would make a whole lot more if they would allow netflix to pay them for a license to stream AND rent out their discs. You can't stream bluray now can you? You can't stream extra dvd content now can you?

If you don't care then why are you in here posting. Obviously you care enough to have your opinion heard. Also, if you read up, you will learn that they also allow streaming in HD (maybe not hddvd or bluray quality, but it's a nice perk to not have to run to the store or wait for something to come in the mail regardless).


I'm sure if Microsoft crippled Windows in some way for people running bootcamp just to get people to buy a REAL PC to get the full usage out of it, you'd be singing a different tune for them.

I posted my opinion, because people need to stop hating on Sony but yet praising Microsoft/Netflix. Both Microsoft and Sony are competing, and they are going to do things that in effect, hurts the other, not necessarily just do things that help them.
While 'fueling' was a bad word, it still is pretty much correct, because if you still rent a disc or stream in some other manner, Sony is still winning out. Either being paid for streaming rights, or potentially getting Netflix to purchase more copies of the disc if demand increases. Because one person, yes, won't do anything, but a lot can definitely have that effect.

But my point was, you would still be renting the video, so while it may be an inconvenience to you, you still went and rented it and thus, no loss to Sony. Now whether this happens all the time, I don't know. Sony is taking a gamble, but they likely felt they needed to do something to hurt the Microsoft/Netflix agreement.
Still waiting for Sony to get with Blockbuster, although that might hurt their Netflix relationship even more.

Sony is still allowing streaming of movies, just not to 360s. So, no loss there in terms of streaming rights. And, sure, while you can stream HD, the video will not be up to par, and the audio is going to be lackluster. Part of the package of Blu-ray is the amazing HD picture, but the other part, just as important, is the increased surround sound quality. Heck, does streaming even include surround sound? That's the one thing I'm not aware of, but it definitely won't include the HD audio codecs, because the data would be too much to tack onto the video stream.

Nobody gets your point because every single damn post of yours is so long winded.

You can sum up a half hour sitcom in 45 minutes.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Jeffg010
Instead of Sony pissing on people why don't they get something to the market that is innovative? When was Sony going to do movie streaming Oh Ya that right there was nothing in the near future from Sony. MS gets shit to the market. Look at live it gets to the market first and where is Sony's home Oh Ya that?s right it is becoming anther Duke Nukem. The last thing Sony had was the PS2 since then they done nothing innovative. I'm not trying to be a Sony hater but the fact is that Sony has not done anything innovative for quite sometime. MS gives what people want and Sony gives us NOTHING.

Sony has a free service, so their push to renovate the service's offerings is not a priority, and the customers accept this.
Home is entering 1.0 final beta testing shortly, it could be in the hands of testers in the next week. Sony is a hardware company, while Microsoft is a software company. Thus, Live was more of a priority for Microsoft, and with a larger software team, was easier to pull off. Sony has been working on the software end, but the PSN is brand new, whereas Microsoft had a start with the Xbox, so they had something to build on.
Home is kind of revolutionary in terms of network functions, so big deal it's taking awhile. Still going to be free, so it's kind of a moot point. I don't expect speedy development on free products.
Movie streaming has been on the PSN for awhile now, and the library is constantly being updated with a large amount of content.
I think you need to stop drinking the Microsoft koolaid and actually see what Sony has been doing. The PSN has dramatically increased in service options and quality over the past year.

Now, I won't argue that some things the people want, Sony has yet to give us, but considering the PSN started with pretty much a blank state, I'd say Sony has done wonders. In two years time, they have pretty much revolutionized the PS3 over it's launch state.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasianValid as your points may be, you have to look at this from the consumers perspective, and to most people what MS did is okay, and what Sony did is just low and immature.

Yeah, I understand that part, I don't like either side doing what they did. I'm getting sick of the exclusive crap like XBOX did with HDDVD and now this. I get why they did it, and I also get why Sony did what they did, but I don't like either.

I'm with you. I didn't know that MS bought exclusivity rights to Netflix streaming for consoles, but that is pretty low IMO. They've been doing that for a lot of stuff (lots of Xbox-exclusive DLC). They should be trying to make the Xbox 360 good on its own merits, not just from buying exclusive rights to stuff. That's something EA would do.

And Sony has their blu ray player, and their own exclusive games...what's your point. Every console has their exclusive content or else we would have the same consoles..

This does nothing but further piss off people who just want to enjoy services that they are paying for. I'm not going to go out and buy a ps3 because they blocked off some movies that I can still rent normally through the regular disc method.

And what are you doing there? Giving Sony what they want.

Sony's end goal here, is not necessarily to get people to buy their consoles, but to take away from the 360/Netflix streaming partnership. And what will people do? If they want to watch movies that happen to be under Sony, they'll just rent/buy the discs. That's fueling the disc-based revenue for Sony, which is partly the end goal.

As a consumer, I do not care what so ever about either issue here: Microsoft having an exclusive Netflix agreement, and Sony blocking netflix-x360 streaming. Why? I do not subscribe to Netflix and do not care, and even if I did, I hate streaming as I foam at the mouth for HD.

What are you talking about? I have always been subscribed to one of these online rental places. I just recently switched to netflix because they have this streaming option which is a big plus in my book even if sony takes away streaming their movies only on the 360. You know why? Because I can still stream on my computer. I can still rent them like i normally would through the mail. So I'm only being inconvenienced by not having the option to stream these certain movies, which only a handful I would watch anyways. How am I fueling anything if I was already subscribed because I like to get movies in the mail? Explain that to me.

Also, even if they wanted more profits, they would make a whole lot more if they would allow netflix to pay them for a license to stream AND rent out their discs. You can't stream bluray now can you? You can't stream extra dvd content now can you?

If you don't care then why are you in here posting. Obviously you care enough to have your opinion heard. Also, if you read up, you will learn that they also allow streaming in HD (maybe not hddvd or bluray quality, but it's a nice perk to not have to run to the store or wait for something to come in the mail regardless).


I'm sure if Microsoft crippled Windows in some way for people running bootcamp just to get people to buy a REAL PC to get the full usage out of it, you'd be singing a different tune for them.

I posted my opinion, because people need to stop hating on Sony but yet praising Microsoft/Netflix. Both Microsoft and Sony are competing, and they are going to do things that in effect, hurts the other, not necessarily just do things that help them.
While 'fueling' was a bad word, it still is pretty much correct, because if you still rent a disc or stream in some other manner, Sony is still winning out. Either being paid for streaming rights, or potentially getting Netflix to purchase more copies of the disc if demand increases. Because one person, yes, won't do anything, but a lot can definitely have that effect.

But my point was, you would still be renting the video, so while it may be an inconvenience to you, you still went and rented it and thus, no loss to Sony. Now whether this happens all the time, I don't know. Sony is taking a gamble, but they likely felt they needed to do something to hurt the Microsoft/Netflix agreement.
Still waiting for Sony to get with Blockbuster, although that might hurt their Netflix relationship even more.

Sony is still allowing streaming of movies, just not to 360s. So, no loss there in terms of streaming rights. And, sure, while you can stream HD, the video will not be up to par, and the audio is going to be lackluster. Part of the package of Blu-ray is the amazing HD picture, but the other part, just as important, is the increased surround sound quality. Heck, does streaming even include surround sound? That's the one thing I'm not aware of, but it definitely won't include the HD audio codecs, because the data would be too much to tack onto the video stream.

Nobody gets your point because every single damn post of yours is so long winded.

You can sum up a half hour sitcom in 45 minutes.

:laugh: yeah, I do that.
Though, I have a lot I'd rather say in one post, then spend a day's time saying that same thing in 20 replies. I'd rather say something and move on. I guess I support my ADD tendencies. 😛

 

[Jeffg010]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Jeffg010
Instead of Sony pissing on people why don't they get something to the market that is innovative? When was Sony going to do movie streaming Oh Ya that right there was nothing in the near future from Sony. MS gets shit to the market. Look at live it gets to the market first and where is Sony's home Oh Ya that?s right it is becoming anther Duke Nukem. The last thing Sony had was the PS2 since then they done nothing innovative. I'm not trying to be a Sony hater but the fact is that Sony has not done anything innovative for quite sometime. MS gives what people want and Sony gives us NOTHING.

Sony has a free service, so their push to renovate the service's offerings is not a priority, and the customers accept this.
Home is entering 1.0 final beta testing shortly, it could be in the hands of testers in the next week. Sony is a hardware company, while Microsoft is a software company. Thus, Live was more of a priority for Microsoft, and with a larger software team, was easier to pull off. Sony has been working on the software end, but the PSN is brand new, whereas Microsoft had a start with the Xbox, so they had something to build on.
Home is kind of revolutionary in terms of network functions, so big deal it's taking awhile. Still going to be free, so it's kind of a moot point. I don't expect speedy development on free products.
Movie streaming has been on the PSN for awhile now, and the library is constantly being updated with a large amount of content.
I think you need to stop drinking the Microsoft koolaid and actually see what Sony has been doing. The PSN has dramatically increased in service options and quality over the past year.

Now, I won't argue that some things the people want, Sony has yet to give us, but considering the PSN started with pretty much a blank state, I'd say Sony has done wonders. In two years time, they have pretty much revolutionized the PS3 over it's launch state.

Wow your post sounds like bunch of excuses to me. Even though it free it still not out! Please drink a cup of reality.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
I think what people find stupid is that they are already licensed and agreed to the service, however they restrict streaming to one particular box, which is really an abstract variable when you think about it.

But that's exactly what MS did to Sony and the PS3 when they got Netflix to agree to give console exclusive rights to the 360. Which essentially results in Netflix saying to Sony, "Yeah, we like using your content for our streaming service, but we're not going to allow you to stream your own content to your own system via our service because MS dropped a wad of cash in our pockets". So people can get on the lets-all-bash-Sony-again bandwagon all they want, but make no mistake that MS started this. In the end though it's all just a business chess match on both ends.

Of course, this whole debate may be over nothing if this really has nothing to do with Sony taking a shot at the 360 specifically. But despite the PR-spin happening on all sides now, I still find I very suspicious that it was all Sony content that got yanked on the eve of the NXE launch.

And, guys, I don't care what side you are on in this debate would you mind stopping all the damned nested quoting? Seriously, it's annoying.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Jeffg010

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Jeffg010
Instead of Sony pissing on people why don't they get something to the market that is innovative? When was Sony going to do movie streaming Oh Ya that right there was nothing in the near future from Sony. MS gets shit to the market. Look at live it gets to the market first and where is Sony's home Oh Ya that?s right it is becoming anther Duke Nukem. The last thing Sony had was the PS2 since then they done nothing innovative. I'm not trying to be a Sony hater but the fact is that Sony has not done anything innovative for quite sometime. MS gives what people want and Sony gives us NOTHING.

Sony has a free service, so their push to renovate the service's offerings is not a priority, and the customers accept this.
Home is entering 1.0 final beta testing shortly, it could be in the hands of testers in the next week. Sony is a hardware company, while Microsoft is a software company. Thus, Live was more of a priority for Microsoft, and with a larger software team, was easier to pull off. Sony has been working on the software end, but the PSN is brand new, whereas Microsoft had a start with the Xbox, so they had something to build on.
Home is kind of revolutionary in terms of network functions, so big deal it's taking awhile. Still going to be free, so it's kind of a moot point. I don't expect speedy development on free products.
Movie streaming has been on the PSN for awhile now, and the library is constantly being updated with a large amount of content.
I think you need to stop drinking the Microsoft koolaid and actually see what Sony has been doing. The PSN has dramatically increased in service options and quality over the past year.

Now, I won't argue that some things the people want, Sony has yet to give us, but considering the PSN started with pretty much a blank state, I'd say Sony has done wonders. In two years time, they have pretty much revolutionized the PS3 over it's launch state.

Wow your post sounds like bunch of excuses to me. Even though it free it still not out! Please drink a cup of reality.

And you sound like you need to drink less of that MS koolaid and some of that reality as well. What do you expect? Something like Home to be developed in under a year, when there is no promise of recouping development costs through subscription fees, and amidst a time when Sony has been struggling to get PS3 sales, even with blockbuster games? I think you have some unreal expectations.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
All MS has to do is come out with a BRD player for the 360, either as an add-on or incorporated into another model 360, at a cheap price and this will put Sony in the coffin they so deserve to be in.

haha....what? So by incorporating SONY'S high def format into their console, and encouraging 360 owners to purchase movies on SONY'S high def format, they're putting the nail in Sony's coffin?




Seriously?





You think that?