Sony Blocks Movies from Xbox 360

[JackBurton]

Don't know if this is a repost or not, but here you go.

Sony Blocks Movies from Xbox 360

 

[zixxer]

Wow. What a step in the wrong direction for streaming content.

 

[jdport]

I don't really understand what Sony hopes to gain by doing this. So, I have Netflix send me my blue ray or DVD of Spiderman instead of streaming it... or I just don't watch it at all and watch something else. All it's going to do is make people more annoyed with Sony, while not really gaining anything for them. It's just a ridiculous whiny immature Ego thing I think.... I don't see any gain for Sony at all but some negative. How much negative? Hard to say, but any negative at all is bad when there is nothing to be gained.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Sony sucks ass. This is news to some people?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

 

[Gooberlx2]

How do we know that MS blocked anything? It's possible that Sony already refused a contract with Netflix, or that Netflix refused Sony...or that neither company has ever talked to each other. In those cases the phrase stands true, but not because of any evil thing Microsoft did. Exclusivity contracts happen all the time, and they often have limits to how long they last (Ford + Microsoft sync being an example).

Are there more specific details about the partnership anywhere?

 

[Trader05]

yeah definitly not surprised. Im curious if Sony and blockbuster has anything planned.....

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

Bribe is a great way to describe paying a fee for a service. :roll:

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

I understand what people are getting at, but I really don't think that exclusive partnerships, and 'purchased' exclusivity are necessarily analogous to what Sony is doing by blocking the streaming of content to a specific piece of hardware that is otherwise available through the Netflix service.

 

[Queasy]

Netflix and MS have entered into a partnership. I don't think I would call that a bribe. One of the Netflix founders sits on the MS Board. Netflix also uses MS's Silverlight tech for video streaming.

 

[mc866]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

I understand what people are getting at, but I really don't think that exclusive partnerships, and 'purchased' exclusivity are necessarily analogous to what Sony is doing by blocking the streaming of content to a specific piece of hardware that is otherwise available through the Netflix service.

+1

We're talking about two different things here, MS was able to negotiate and secure a contract with Nextflix. Which is different then what appears to be a petty retaliation from Sony by blocking content it owns from Netflix.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: mc866

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

I understand what people are getting at, but I really don't think that exclusive partnerships, and 'purchased' exclusivity are necessarily analogous to what Sony is doing by blocking the streaming of content to a specific piece of hardware that is otherwise available through the Netflix service.

+1

We're talking about two different things here, MS was able to negotiate and secure a contract with Nextflix. Which is different then what appears to be a petty retaliation from Sony by blocking content it owns from Netflix.

But not from Netflix, just from viewing on the Xbox360...which makes it even pettier (more petty?). Of course, it's also possible that it is just that negotiations weren't completed before the NXE roll-out.

Do these companies seperate license negotiations for each piece of Netflix streaming hardware? One for Roku, another for PCs/Macs, another for the Xbox and another for the LG BD300?

 

[mc866]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: mc866

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

I understand what people are getting at, but I really don't think that exclusive partnerships, and 'purchased' exclusivity are necessarily analogous to what Sony is doing by blocking the streaming of content to a specific piece of hardware that is otherwise available through the Netflix service.

+1

We're talking about two different things here, MS was able to negotiate and secure a contract with Nextflix. Which is different then what appears to be a petty retaliation from Sony by blocking content it owns from Netflix.

But not from Netflix, just from viewing on the Xbox360...which makes it even more petty.

Exactly, thanks for the correction.

 

[Oyeve]

Fuck sony. I really am surprised they are still around at all. They have made shit for years yet still manage to stay alive. Their home audio stuff is utter crap, even their ES line is now crap. The PSP never took off as intended and just ended up being an emulators wet dream, the PS3 I cant comment on because I dont have one, because there is not one single game I would want to play on it. In fact, I believe the PS2 of all things is keeping sony afloat. They have made 100s of bone-headed decisions since Betamax and keep doing so. Idiots.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps it's in retaliation for MS blocking 100% of Netflix content from playing on PS3 and Wii (without using third-party hacks via a PC):

MS press release
"Microsoft and Netflix ... today unveiled an exclusive partnership to offer consumers the ability to instantly stream movies and TV episodes from Netflix to the television via the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system. Xbox 360 will be the only game system that lets users instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix."


Someone at Ars speculated it might just be negotiating over price though, with Sony wanting a bigger share of MS' bribe to netflix.

uhhh, MS didn't block anything....netflix did. If sony wanted streaming, they should have paid for the rights and absorbed it in their "omg free" online play for the PS3.

 

[Rage187]

In the end it only hurts Sony.

Why piss off a potential customer by being a douche?

 

[DaveSimmons]

How do we know that MS blocked anything?

The partnership is described as exclusive in the first paragraph of the press release, and MS uses "will be" (future tense) in describing the exclusivity.

Bribe is a great way to describe paying a fee for a service. :roll:

Netflix and MS have entered into a partnership. I don't think I would call that a bribe. One of the Netflix founders sits on the MS Board. Netflix also uses MS's Silverlight tech for video streaming.

It seems appropriate since MS must have done or given something extra (possibly not cash) to make the agreement exclusive to the 360.

If there was no bribe, wouldn't it be in Netflix's self-interest to leave open the possibility of getting money from Sony and/or Nintendo in the future? Wiiflix?

We're talking about two different things here, MS was able to negotiate and secure a contract with Nextflix.

An exclusive contract that blocks (direct) streaming to the PS3 and Wii.

Note that MS didn't block DVD player manufacturers, roku, etc. from making agreements with Netflix, just Sony and Nintendo.

 

[Kromis]

Cockblock

 

[MikeyLSU]

I'm guessing this has to do with Netflix signing to be exclusive with XBOX. If they won't play nice, neither will Sony, that is my guess on what happened.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

How do we know that MS blocked anything?

The partnership is described as exclusive in the first paragraph of the press release, and MS uses "will be" (future tense) in describing the exclusivity.

Bribe is a great way to describe paying a fee for a service. :roll:

Netflix and MS have entered into a partnership. I don't think I would call that a bribe. One of the Netflix founders sits on the MS Board. Netflix also uses MS's Silverlight tech for video streaming.

It seems appropriate since MS must have done or given something extra (possibly not cash) to make the agreement exclusive to the 360.

If there was no bribe, wouldn't it be in Netflix's self-interest to leave open the possibility of getting money from Sony and/or Nintendo in the future? Wiiflix?

We're talking about two different things here, MS was able to negotiate and secure a contract with Nextflix.

An exclusive contract that blocks (direct) streaming to the PS3 and Wii.

Note that MS didn't block DVD player manufacturers, roku, etc. from making agreements with Netflix, just Sony and Nintendo.

annnnndddd did they hold netflix for ransom to agree? No, they paid for the rights, netflix took the money, the end.

 

[DaveSimmons]

annnnndddd did they hold netflix for ransom to agree? No, they paid for the rights, netflix took the money, the end.

Annnnnnd was Sony legally obligated to offer content just to help MS sell 360s? Apparently not.

But MS was first to "not play nice" here.

So, as in most P&N discussions, the correct answer is "both parties are jerks."

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Annnnnnd was Sony legally obligated to offer content just to help MS sell 360s? Apparently not.

But MS was first to "not play nice" here.

So, as in most P&N discussions, the correct answer is "both parties are jerks."

Read the rest of the thread and explain your ignorant stance.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Annnnnnd was Sony legally obligated to offer content just to help MS sell 360s? Apparently not.

But MS was first to "not play nice" here.

So, as in most P&N discussions, the correct answer is "both parties are jerks."

Yes, but Sony doesn't gain anything from this. MS had a lot to gain (or lose) by purchasing sole streaming rights.

I don't think that there are any consumers out there who were thinking "Boy, I was going to get Xbox Live and Netflix, but not anymore since I can't get Sony movies".

Call Microsoft a jerk, but they had a reason to pay for the rights. Who knows how much they paid, and if ultimately it was a good business decision or not.

Sony however gains nothing. As an average user it means that I just wont watch their movies on my 360 (which probably actually lowers their licensing contract with Netflix) and I'll dislike Sony.

 

[herkulease]

Time for Microsoft to get petty. Block ps3 games from being played on the 360. That'll show sony.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Sony has something to gain, assuming this isn't just a negotiating tactic for more $$ (also a gain):

* content exclusives for their own movie service ( + attractiveness of PS3 & PSP)
* smaller selection of movies in 360 streaming ( - attractiveness of 360)

Since the 360 and PS3 are competing, both are good reasons for Sony to exercise its right to hold back content it owns from the 360, just like Resistance is PS3-only and Gears is 360-only.

So do we start saying it's "not playing nice" that Gears is 360-only?