Sons of Guns

[xj0hnx]

i am certainly no gun expert, but i would imagine your typical gunsmith has an assortment of hand and specialty tools, and a milling machine. i would think most of the stuff they need to do can be accomplished with some kind of lathe or vertical mill.

they don't look NEARLY big enough to be able to justify buying a huge computer-controlled CNC machine. they prob outsource to a local shop for things that require complex machining.

i am curious as to how they make suppressors. they all seem to be multipiece, so i imagine making the baffle set inside isn't THAT complex (or as much as it would be on a one piece suppressor, however the hell that's done).

Making it isn't the complicated part, it the design. Your normal K baffle system is pretty easy, that's why it's everywhere, but some of the designs coming out nowadays are really cool.

 

[Brigandier]

Get real, more dangerous information can be found using Google.

Sure, but a lot of people watch discovery, not a lot of people google for that information.

Well, a lot do, but a certain sort of folk do.

 

[xj0hnx]

Sure, but a lot of people watch discovery, not a lot of people google for that information.

Well, a lot do, but a certain sort of folk do.

Even if they should how they rigged up their explosions, the equipment and materials are not easily available. Knowing how something works is only a small part of it, having access to things like TNT, detonators etc isn't common, they aren't making garage napalm out of styrofoam and gasoline.

 

[montypythizzle]

I'd make babbies with the guy's daughter.

If only he could rig something up to fix her teeth.

 

[Brigandier]

Even if they should how they rigged up their explosions, the equipment and materials are not easily available. Knowing how something works is only a small part of it, having access to things like TNT, detonators etc isn't common, they aren't making garage napalm out of styrofoam and gasoline.

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the mechanics of gunsmithing. Do you know how dangerous it would be if the general public new the basics of turning a semi-auto to full, making a "silenced" barrel, etc?

The information is easy to learn, if you want to, it shouldn't be imprinted in everyone's psyche though.

 

[nick1985]

If only he could rig something up to fix her teeth.

lol...

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the mechanics of gunsmithing. Do you know how dangerous it would be if the general public new the basics of turning a semi-auto to full, making a "silenced" barrel, etc?

The information is easy to learn, if you want to, it shouldn't be imprinted in everyone's psyche though.

It doesn't matter if people know. I know how to make my AK full auto, and it's not easy. I work on guns and I wouldn't want to do it. There's very few semi autos that are easy enough to convert that a little information off TV could make it feasible. For one thing, if the fire arm doesn't fire from the open bolt, which VERY few semi autos do, you'll need a LOT of work. I've heard so much BS about "filing down this" and "shaving that off", it's ridiculous. Maybe if they showed what it really took to do that kind of thing people wouldn't be so gullible and keep spreading BS about it.

 

[Brigandier]

It doesn't matter if people know. I know how to make my AK full auto, and it's not easy. I work on guns and I wouldn't want to do it. There's very few semi autos that are easy enough to convert that a little information off TV could make it feasible. For one thing, if the fire arm doesn't fire from the open bolt, which VERY few semi autos do, you'll need a LOT of work. I've heard so much BS about "filing down this" and "shaving that off", it's ridiculous. Maybe if they showed what it really took to do that kind of thing people wouldn't be so gullible and keep spreading BS about it.

You've persuaded me; I agree.

It'd be nice to see just how good of people Will has working for him. My favorite character is Vince, just because he has to work long nights to make this shit Red Jacket. Will provides direction and insight, Vince gets it done, and all the others polish the finish product. It makes me have faith in their company.

I like the new reality show craze, it highlights a lot of small shops that put out good work, raising awareness of the craftsmen that are hidden in the midst of any town in America.

In the end, I guess I just don't want my dipshit friends trying this shit and blowing their arms off, or worse, and that was the basis of my argument.

 

[Nebor]

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the mechanics of gunsmithing. Do you know how dangerous it would be if the general public new the basics of turning a semi-auto to full, making a "silenced" barrel, etc?

The information is easy to learn, if you want to, it shouldn't be imprinted in everyone's psyche though.

Are you retarded? The information is freely available. Full autos and suppressors are fairly easily available. And yet they're virtually never used in crime. Yeah, real dangerous.

 

[xj0hnx]

You've persuaded me; I agree.

It'd be nice to see just how good of people Will has working for him. My favorite character is Vince, just because he has to work long nights to make this shit Red Jacket. Will provides direction and insight, Vince gets it done, and all the others polish the finish product. It makes me have faith in their company.

I like the new reality show craze, it highlights a lot of small shops that put out good work, raising awareness of the craftsmen that are hidden in the midst of any town in America.

In the end, I guess I just don't want my dipshit friends trying this shit and blowing their arms off, or worse, and that was the basis of my argument.

See, I love the technical aspect of it, it's interesting, to me, the differences between the semi auto, and full auto versions of my firearms. Gun smithing is art, even though the show's format leaves a lot to be desired, I was pleasantly surprised to see something like this get prime time coverage.

 

[schneiderguy]

She's fat. D:

Boobs stick out farther than stomach, good enough for me :thumbsup:

 

[Brigandier]

Are you retarded? The information is freely available. Full autos and suppressors are fairly easily available. And yet they're virtually never used in crime. Yeah, real dangerous.

I really don't see what my retardation has anything to do with it. In fact, I thought you swore at the meeting not to tell anyone. That's why it's RA.

 

[brblx]

It'd be nice to see just how good of people Will has working for him. My favorite character is Vince, just because he has to work long nights to make this shit Red Jacket. Will provides direction and insight, Vince gets it done, and all the others polish the finish product. It makes me have faith in their company.

I like the new reality show craze, it highlights a lot of small shops that put out good work, raising awareness of the craftsmen that are hidden in the midst of any town in America.

while i was bitching about these 'new' reality shows earlier in the thread, i will second this, though. at least some of these shows highlight some talented and often interesting people...as opposed to say, paris hilton, somethingsomething kardashian, or whatever. some people will never understand why i would watch a show where somebody builds a gun or a motorcycle or something. personally, i can't understand how you could watch a show that centers around nothing but an unemployed idiot going about their day-to-day.

 

[Brigandier]

while i was bitching about these 'new' reality shows earlier in the thread, i will second this, though. at least some of these shows highlight some talented and often interesting people...as opposed to say, paris hilton, somethingsomething kardashian, or whatever. some people will never understand why i would watch a show where somebody builds a gun or a motorcycle or something. personally, i can't understand how you could watch a show that centers around nothing but an unemployed idiot going about their day-to-day.

True this.

I love seeing final product, and the machinery and skills used to create it.

Every time I watch OCC I get a wet fantasy about owning a 3d flowjet. But some people just want nice clothes and expensive liquor. To each their own: I guess.

 

[brblx]

for years i have not been able to watch american chopper- paul sr really is a piece of shit and has done a pretty good job doing his best to destroy something that was mostly created by his son and a TV producer. OCC was NOTHING before they started filming paul jr build theme bikes.

but the recent stuff has been okay. it's pretty cool that paul jr went back to just designing stuff out of his head and you've kinda got the whole 'crew' back with vinnie, mikey, and cody. personally i think they should just lose the 'vs' angle and leave OCC out. i mean, look at the bikes from their first actual 'contest.'

and i definitely feel you on wanting awesome tools more than designer jeans.

 

[FDF12389]

I watch it but its usually in the background, I'm with everyone who thinks they should show what they do in more detail.

 

[pontifex]

Meh, could be so much more if they actually detailed some of the engineering and know how of an armorer. The rigged explosions when they go shooting are mega lame too, I think they give people the wrong impression of what a bullet does.

So I guess another interesting idea ruined by the 30 minute reality show formula. Too bad, because Wil seems like an interesting guy.

like every movie or tv show ever made is an accurate depiction of real life?

If those are your only 2 complaints then you really shouldn't be complaining.


Top Shot is the only show I've seen that accurately shows that bullets do, but even they use explosives too.

 

[pontifex]

I was kind of disappointed with that show. Some of the stuff they build looks really cobbed together. They basically buy off the shelf components and hack them up to make what they want. They really aren't fabricating stuff. Now if they had the shop the OCC guys have they could really fabricate some stuff.

It's protoypes. most of their business is modifying regular guns to work better and probably the suppressors.

The stuff they build on the show is probably only 1% of what the actual business does.

 

[Scotteq]

It doesn't matter if people know. I know how to make my AK full auto, and it's not easy. I work on guns and I wouldn't want to do it. There's very few semi autos that are easy enough to convert that a little information off TV could make it feasible. For one thing, if the fire arm doesn't fire from the open bolt, which VERY few semi autos do, you'll need a LOT of work. I've heard so much BS about "filing down this" and "shaving that off", it's ridiculous. Maybe if they showed what it really took to do that kind of thing people wouldn't be so gullible and keep spreading BS about it.

You've persuaded me; I agree.

It'd be nice to see just how good of people Will has working for him. My favorite character is Vince, just because he has to work long nights to make this shit Red Jacket. Will provides direction and insight, Vince gets it done, and all the others polish the finish product. It makes me have faith in their company.

I like the new reality show craze, it highlights a lot of small shops that put out good work, raising awareness of the craftsmen that are hidden in the midst of any town in America.

In the end, I guess I just don't want my dipshit friends trying this shit and blowing their arms off, or worse, and that was the basis of my argument.

Are you retarded? The information is freely available. Full autos and suppressors are fairly easily available. And yet they're virtually never used in crime. Yeah, real dangerous.

Yes, the information is available if you know where to look.

Yes, a half decent machinist could make the parts, if given diagrams/plans to work from.

Yes, combining correct/modified parts with other off the shelf components could/would result in a fully automatic weapon.

Yes - I (like many here,apparently) would like to watch these guys work their craft rather than ...herp~derp... blow up da watermelonz.... shewt duh waterbottles.... LOLZ...


But as far as why more actual crafting/machinging isn't on the show: Methinks we are underestimating the collective nervousness and power of the attorneys representing the network. For good or ill: I strongly doubt "The Suits" would permit such an opportunity/potential for a wrongful death lawsuit to be brought against the network.


My $0.02

 

[brblx]

Yes, the information is available if you know where to look.

Yes, a half decent machinist could make the parts, if given diagrams/plans to work from.

Yes, combining correct/modified parts with other off the shelf components could/would result in a fully automatic weapon.

Yes - I (like many here,apparently) would like to watch these guys work their craft rather than ...herp~derp... blow up da watermelonz.... shewt duh waterbottles.... LOLZ...


But as far as why more actual crafting/machinging isn't on the show: Methinks we are underestimating the collective nervousness and power of the attorneys representing the network. For good or ill: I strongly doubt "The Suits" would permit such an opportunity/potential for a wrongful death lawsuit to be brought against the network.


My $0.02

if 'don't do this at home' worked for jackass, mythbusters, ect...i would imagine it would cover them here.

 

[FDF12389]

if 'don't do this at home' worked for jackass, mythbusters, ect...i would imagine it would cover them here.

This.

 

[Scotteq]

if 'don't do this at home' worked for jackass, mythbusters, ect...i would imagine it would cover them here.

Perhaps.. perhaps not... And they do say "don't do this.... serious trouble.." etc...


But I would opine that testing a myth whether or not it's possible for a BMW to out~accelerate another one which was dropped from a helicopter is not nearly as contentious and politically charged as manufacturing a weapon.

It's that contention/fear/political aspect well explains why (Sons of Guns) would not show how to machine a receiver on an AR15, but (OCC, or Hot Rod, or whatever) could demonstrate how to machine the cases of a motor.. From a technical perspective, I should think that the motor is a more complex piece of machinery. We can watch that on TV, no problem, while the network (apparently) feels that machining a frame rail or making baffles for a supressor must be hidden.


again - My $0.02. I agree it's kind of stupid, but the Legal angle makes a certain amount of sense why it could be the case.

 

[Josh123]

I like the show.

 

[brblx]

Perhaps.. perhaps not... And they do say "don't do this.... serious trouble.." etc...


But I would opine that testing a myth whether or not it's possible for a BMW to out~accelerate another one which was dropped from a helicopter is not nearly as contentiontious and politically charged as manufacturing a weapon.


again - My $0.02

my thought was more along the lines of, while a jackass viewer might not try to build a weapon, they still might kill themselves or someone else, and there was a HELL of a lot more jackass copycatting than probably any other show ever.

and the mythbusters are kind of in the business of manufacturing bombs and various mechanical decapitation rigs.

 

[Wanescotting]

I like the show.