Sons of Guns

[Zargon]

Meh, could be so much more if they actually detailed some of the engineering and know how of an armorer. The rigged explosions when they go shooting are mega lame too, I think they give people the wrong impression of what a bullet does.

So I guess another interesting idea ruined by the 30 minute reality show formula. Too bad, because Wil seems like an interesting guy.

some of that is probably them shooting tannerite.....

I was kind of disappointed with that show. Some of the stuff they build looks really cobbed together. They basically buy off the shelf components and hack them up to make what they want. They really aren't fabricating stuff. Now if they had the shop the OCC guys have they could really fabricate some stuff.

half the OCC bikes are straight from a catalog

 

[AMCRambler]

It's protoypes. most of their business is modifying regular guns to work better and probably the suppressors.

The stuff they build on the show is probably only 1% of what the actual business does.

I guess I understand they look crappy because it's proof of concept work, but some of the stuff they've built just looked really half assed. Like they could have built it better but since EVERYTHING they're asked to do, Will only gives them a week, it looks like shit. Take two weeks and make a nice prototype.

I would point to the ATV mounted Saiga shotgun as an example. The mount they had that thing attached to looked like it was made entirely of epoxy that they glopped on by hand. Looks pretty darn sloppy. Here's the best picture I could find.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/out3toi.png/sr=1

I mean shoot, they couldn't come up with something cleaner looking than that? The guy paid them a big hunk of money to put that together. They ought to produce a professional looking product at least. Sand, fill and paint that thing. I could do a better job in my garage to be honest.

 

[AMCRambler]

some of that is probably them shooting tannerite.....



half the OCC bikes are straight from a catalog

I guess I'm not sure I follow. Don't they build their own frames, cnc their own master cylinders, bend their own handle bars etc? The wheels, the forks and the motors I guess are catalog ordered. Everything else is pretty much built from scratch. They even CNC'ed an AR-15 receiver at one point, didn't they? It wasn't to spec internally, it was a solid block of aluminum but that's more than I've seen them do on Sons of Guns. Most of the time they're cutting up parts made to mount to other rifles and drilling and grinding them to work on other weapons.

The episode where they built the M2 machine was pretty cool, but they didn't even have the know how to put it together themselves. They had to fly some guy in to help them build it. They seem like a pretty small operation to have their own tv show. I would think a larger company like Rock River Arms or DPMS would make for better tv. Maybe Discovery couldn't get them to sign on though.

 

[Modelworks]

Do you know how dangerous that information is?

Seriously, try talking about it in popular company, I double dog dare you.

It isn't dangerous at all. There are books on how to convert AK, M16, browning, and more. Even the plans on how to build an AK47 from scratch using nothing but sheet metal . The information is widely available on how to convert to full auto, etc. I have plans for about 100+ different types of firearms, they interest me for engineering reasons.

 

[Doppel]

Is definitely an interesting show. The owner of the store makes the show, a classic case of complete Southern redneck combined with obvious intelligence at the same time, and fairly well spoken.

I am no more into guns than the average guy but one doesn't really need to be.

 

[Brigandier]

Is definitely an interesting show. The owner of the store makes the show, a classic case of complete Southern redneck combined with obvious intelligence at the same time, and fairly well spoken.

I am no more into guns than the average guy but one doesn't really need to be.

Not a red neck, a leather neck.

 

[IronWing]

I was stuck in a hotel room (literally, the hotel was in an exciting part of town and I didn't think it wise to partake of the local culture) and bored so I watched an episode. I became even more bored and turned it off. Just wasn't very interesting. Needed more explosions or sex.

 

[brblx]

wtf, i just lost any respect for this will guy.

his lead gunsmith says he needs a depth mic to get an accurate measurement of something...will tells him to eyeball it or pack his shit and go. wtf?

what gun shop would not have a decent amount of precision measuring tools? i mean, i have external mics and a depth mic in my box, and i just work on cars. if i still built engines for a living, i'd have a lot more stuff.

 

[LTC8K6]

He didn't tell him to eyeball it, he gave him an alternate way to measure the depth using a case.

 

[AlienCraft]

Just found out that my friends are going to be making some 40mm projectiles for them. They have a pyro company out of AZ.

Side note, they have invented a gluing machine for mortar shell (fireworks) and will be making 16" and 24" shells for displays. They will be the only company in the U.S. making them as China only has one port that can ship explosives of that size.

 

[AlienCraft]

I guess I'm not sure I follow. Don't they build their own frames, cnc their own master cylinders, bend their own handle bars etc?.

That CNC machine is only shown cutting out specialty parts or tools.

No, OCC is famous in the Bike Biz for building what can be bought out of catalogs.

 

[Brigandier]

Paulie's girl can shoot. :O And she shows trigger discipline. Nothing sexier than trigger discipline!

 

[squirrel dog]

I like the show.No it's not perfect,but at least it's something.

 

[OutHouse]

I was kind of disappointed with that show. Some of the stuff they build looks really cobbed together. They basically buy off the shelf components and hack them up to make what they want. They really aren't fabricating stuff. Now if they had the shop the OCC guys have they could really fabricate some stuff.

lol neither does OCC. what exactly does OCC fab other then bending metal tubes for the exaust pipes? they buy the engines, frames, handle bars, rims, tires... all they use the plasma cutter for is to add theme details, all they are are cake decorators.

 

[OutHouse]

I guess I understand they look crappy because it's proof of concept work, but some of the stuff they've built just looked really half assed. Like they could have built it better but since EVERYTHING they're asked to do, Will only gives them a week, it looks like shit. Take two weeks and make a nice prototype.

I would point to the ATV mounted Saiga shotgun as an example. The mount they had that thing attached to looked like it was made entirely of epoxy that they glopped on by hand. Looks pretty darn sloppy. Here's the best picture I could find.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/out3toi.png/sr=1

I mean shoot, they couldn't come up with something cleaner looking than that? The guy paid them a big hunk of money to put that together. They ought to produce a professional looking product at least. Sand, fill and paint that thing. I could do a better job in my garage to be honest.

i dunno the replica M-42's they make look and fire exactly like the originals.

 

[Brigandier]

I guess I understand they look crappy because it's proof of concept work, but some of the stuff they've built just looked really half assed. Like they could have built it better but since EVERYTHING they're asked to do, Will only gives them a week, it looks like shit. Take two weeks and make a nice prototype.

I would point to the ATV mounted Saiga shotgun as an example. The mount they had that thing attached to looked like it was made entirely of epoxy that they glopped on by hand. Looks pretty darn sloppy. Here's the best picture I could find.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/out3toi.png/sr=1

I mean shoot, they couldn't come up with something cleaner looking than that? The guy paid them a big hunk of money to put that together. They ought to produce a professional looking product at least. Sand, fill and paint that thing. I could do a better job in my garage to be honest.

I agree, that does look crappy. It seems to me they have a few specialists, gunsmith, pyro guy and the rest are jacks of all trades and masters of none. Their fab does look haphazard sometimes, but never on the guns, it's the extraneous parts. I think people are expecting them to do more than they can, they're a gunsmith shop, not a fab shop. I've seen them outsource fab above their ability, and their products looks better for it.

Also, I thought they didn't charge for the shotgun mount, something about making vehicle mounted weapons or some such jazz.

 

[brblx]

i almost just shit a brick when i saw the main guy slam the bolt forward on a machinegun and act surprised that it fired. good thing i checked- i never knew the m1919 and m2 were closed bolt. afaik all the machineguns generally (and successfully) used by most armies have been open bolt, haven't they? i can think of mg34, mg42, m240/m249/their international counterparts, m60...surely some others.

 

[brblx]

lame bump but i have to add that i saw the 'master key' episode. previously i had only seen the 'setup' with him saying he was going to mount a an 870 under an m16, at which point i think i went and took a dump or something else that was more interesting.

i mean...really?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/02/18/red-jacket-firearms-ar-15-mounted-saiga-12-shotgun

christ. if you want to 'innovate,' in the entry shotgun area, maybe look into this-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAUL_(weapon)

aka 'those metal storm guys from the ten year old internet video finally figure out how to make something useful.'

edit- and beside the stupidity of a saiga mounted under an AR, that shit seems SKETCHY. how much stress is the delta ring taking? that's a floating front rail, right? for that matter, what's going to happen to the cheap stamped upper of that shotgun over time?

 

[OutHouse]

lame bump but i have to add that i saw the 'master key' episode. previously i had only seen the 'setup' with him saying he was going to mount a an 870 under an m16, at which point i think i went and took a dump or something else that was more interesting.

i mean...really?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/02/18/red-jacket-firearms-ar-15-mounted-saiga-12-shotgun

christ. if you want to 'innovate,' in the entry shotgun area, maybe look into this-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAUL_(weapon)

aka 'those metal storm guys from the ten year old internet video finally figure out how to make something useful.'

edit- and beside the stupidity of a saiga mounted under an AR, that shit seems SKETCHY. how much stress is the delta ring taking? that's a floating front rail, right? for that matter, what's going to happen to the cheap stamped upper of that shotgun over time?

turns out the master key has been out for over a decade.

The M26 has been in development at the U.S. Army's Soldier Battle Lab since the late 1990s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Modular_Accessory_Shotgun_System

also talk about bad edit. Steph is suppose to be shooting a desert eagle. OPPS!
http://www.dump.com/2011/08/25/nice...can-see-shes-not-firing-a-desert-eagle-video/


sorry but that is not a DE .50

 

[OutHouse]

also the show where they make a machine-gun mount for the Paragon Security.... seriously?

since when does Paragon Security need a fricken helicopter gunship? Will was talking like these guys were Xe (blackwater) but Paragon Security is very low level security guard crap. I do not think RedJacket will be in the DoD list to make gun mounts for helicopter gunships anytime soon.

the MK19 show pissed me off. those guys have no clue about that weapon. a suppressor??? because its really loud?? WTF!!! ive fired thousands of rounds from that weapon system and it is NOT loud at all. Also the select fire thing is total BULLSHIT! that gun fires a more powerful round than the M-203. If you put a MK19 40mm round in a 203 you are going to lose your hand if not die. Making it a select fire for cops to fire one round through a window at a block away is total crap. For that round to travel that far it will have enough force to take somebody's head off. totally inappropriate use of weaponry and is why cops use the 203 or 149 to launch tear gas inside homes.

im done with this show.

 

[brblx]

the episodes do seem to keep getting stupider.

also the above vid is pretty hilarious, especially considering a desert eagle is NOT hard to shoot; it feels like a giant lead brick in your hands.

i also remember them calling a .44 mag desert eagle 'the most powerful handgun in the world' or some shit...right. that's why i can pick up .44 revolvers all day for beans. plus the aforementioned weight issue- it's a fucking lot harder to shoot a narrow framed revolver than a handgun that might as well be mounted to a tripod.

(edit- not bragging for e-peen. but if you get a chance to shoot a short-barrel, narrow .44 mag...=D it's fun.)

 

[OutHouse]

Lol last night airing of steph"shooting" a desert eagle had the screenshot I posted edited out.

 

[joutlaw]

I'd make babbies with the guy's daughter.

 

[brblx]

ha.

i still don't get why a shot of a woman firing a desert eagle is apparently like bigfoot video.

edit: lol. also didn't realize that chick was that stacked.

 

[tigersty1e]

that chick is nasty.