Something Needs to be done about Video Forum

[MmmSkyscraper]

/me puts toys back in everyone's prams

 

[xtknight]

The best thing to do is just ignore the trolls. But people just can't resist replying. I think if the mods take care of some of these "antagonists" (really, you could just count the number on two hands) it would solve a lot.

As far as I'm concerned it's always been this way (whether AEG accusations or just plain 'fanboyism' accusations). Why don't we just say anyone who says "AEG" or "fanboy" just gets banned immediately. That would force us to use constructive criticism instead. Just omit the insults and give us the meat of your argument...

The second someone replies to one of these "fights" it just escalades...why even bother? I learned my lesson and have just avoided said threads for the sake of everyone else's eyes and browser having to wade through 5 pages of arguments. I have my own thoughts about who is biased one way or another but I just keep them to myself. When said person posts, I just knock down their fanboyism with constructive criticism instead of accusing them of being in an advertising group. After all, I'm not sure whether they are or not. I have a strong preference for NVIDIA myself but I'm not affiliated with any of their ad groups. I like them because their cards offer better LCD scaling/Linux support and better multimonitor support, but I'm never afraid to give them criticism either, like for their horrible new control panel.

When you see people posting stuff about "ATI merged!" and in the OP they say "see I told all you ATI fanboys it would happen!!!!" he should be warned or banned. It's unacceptable. Competition is good for everyone and to celebrate one company's downfall is just stupid.

Some threads are just immune to this behavior (for which we are thankful). It's usually the ones discussing the new Radeon/GeForce chip that came out that cause the problems. I wouldn't know...I don't bother going in there...I already know what it's going to be like.

The problem is people become offended when you accuse them of this and that. I'm not sure how, but I really don't care about what someone on the net says about me. As long as it's not true I have nothing to worry about and sooner or later he will become tired of it. Anyone who has been here for a couple months knows it happens and generally knows to just ignore it and assumes it holds no water. There are just a few people who perpetuate the flames. I also can't understand why people are offended when someone else has a different opinion. They feel that they have to push it on the other person and when the other person says they're going too far they act like their opinion is being "disrespected".

(forgive me if I sound cranky, I'm only on my first cup of coffee) I agree with the OP for the most part but we as users could also fix this situation.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I find it quite interesting that those that want to "clean up" video and start these threads usually have a pro-nVidia stance in video.

That's ridiculous. First off, there's members from both sides who are able to get their point across. And if you read my post more carefully, I wasn't speaking out against any of these members with a slight bias or preference in the industry. I was actually praising both sides for coming in with respectable arguments, where discussion of value (most of the time) usually flourishes.

What I was speaking out against is the following:

*nice dance* ... the 'skip' is your specialty ... just like Rollo who ran away crying like an unfairly wounded little boy . . . crying that he was the *victim* of a *witchhunt* every time HE got pinned down ... unfortunately he never stayed away ... he was always compelled to return and bust out more FUD and the *nvidia distraction dance*

it is really clear that you are just trying to defend the ridiculously indefensible because of your do-or-die blind devotion to your company

it's been an impossible uphill battle for you since you joined these forums ... we learned all your *tricks* from "debating" Rollo.

your's are beyond ignorant

by *everyone* you mean the true support-nvidia-or-die raving fanatics?

perhaps

but it's more like me "debating" Larry Curley and Moe ... whose tactics are to *distract* from the crux of the matter by what ever means possible ... exactly as the trollmaster Rollo.

that's why i stopped replying to you from the beginning ... you have no *substance* in any of your posts as they are all designed to troll and distract from the real issues.

weren't you "on vacation" from here for that very reason?

you are the spin-master ... of that you have the *undisputed title* here at ATF. ..

*you* stop trolling ... weren't you on a recent 'vacation' for that just that reason?

and only in you mind and that of fellow nvidia do-or-die supporters

much simpler than you can ever imagine

why talk about spreading FUD? ... you are the expert, i guess [on "everything"]

These were all posted by one members in the same thread. Unfourtunately, these exerts represented the majority of that person's post. They countered with nothing substantive, of value; just careless bashing because people were speaking their opinion, and he didn't agree with it. They were directed at a number of different people, as well.

Nelsieus

edit: spelling

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I find it quite interesting that those that want to "clean up" video and start these threads usually have a pro-nVidia stance in video.

"Clean up" obviously in this sense means to silence those that oppose nVidia, much like Trollo's AEG crusade campaign.

but when i saw a great individual that really helps out the IT community get constantly accused of being an AEG member, a viral marketer and what not.

You're talking about Chris Ray? He was an AEG agent, hence we would expect the accusations. Or what, they should stop because he told us there is no AEG?

Remember, Trollo denied being a member of the AEG and look at how that turned out. He even managed to get people banned to stop the "witch hunting" and "baseless accusations".

This is a perfect example of every thread in video nowadays, its impossible to actually help anyone because for every legitimate post theres 10 of these.

We just need some kind of moderation, and not just banning people who say something racist... If you guys cleaned up the video forums from the flame wars it could become a constructive place to go again.

 

[josh6079]

Some of those quotes have nothing to do with "witch-hunting" but I do agree that they are not topic material.

However, you yourself indulged in your fair share of insults in that same thread and seem to think that any analysis of some of nVidia's methods are considered "bashing" against nVidia.

So again, I don't see the reason to complain unless you're a business owner, or just looking to bash the green side.

I believe that is the thread [HRC thread] you are alleged of relations with the infamous Ackmed and Joker, and didn't like that comparison despite glaring similiarities.

I tried to take the "we'll have to respectfully disagree" route the first time, but you on the other hand are throwing all logic out the door in your attempt to....what is it again, exactly...bash nVidia?

You, on the other hand, continue to hypocritically accuse others of being biased when it's you who is quite the fanATIc.

So I just think you're using the typical trolling techniques of personally bashing to push your own personal agenda through.

Lucky for you, most of your comments aren't taken seriously (so it wasn't just this one )

With that said, you still aren't making sense. You've just gone from one aspect of bashing nVidia ( not having vista drivers for vista) to a another (not having vista drivers when you want them). What's the next argument going to be? nVidia ate your kitten?

I guess certain people will only look at what they want to (kinda like you did on the whole ATI buyout, or the stance that ATI's DX10 was superior because in your own little world, MS and ATI secretly worked on it all together). :roll:

Surely you knew about that (or perhaps decided to omit that small detail to push your agenda?)

The point of that comment was to display the nature in which some of our members go through heck and back to bash and attack a company, when they don't fit in with the group who, based on the circumstances, should be the ones upset.

heh, cherry-picking time.

I guess it's already known where most of your stances lay, therefore one should not expect anything other than attacks and complaints all day long (it will be interesting to watch you hold this same standard to ATI and R600 )

Ditto. You have no more credability than he does (if anything, I'd argue you have less).

But what makes me chuckle is the fact that almost entirely everyone has belittled you, yet you keep making the same impotent remarks. It's as if you're trying to outdo yourself with each new post, unable to get the hint that all you're doing is humiliating yourself.

^^ This one is interesting. If that is truly how you feel why do you need this thread? Or did you simply want to partake in some insulting of your own?

...eh, why don't I just quote myself. I think it's futile to continue to waste my finger energy on your lack of understanding...

That's irrelevant, and if you're going to sidestep the issue at hand (like usual)...

Just because you can't make a valid case on other arguments doesn't mean you need to start putting words in other people's mouths.

It's what has been echoed probably a hundred times so far, yet you're still confused?

No, I just think you couldn't pass up the oppurtunity to give nVidia a good kick.

I'd love to know how this is any more relevant. Or perhaps, again, you are shifting claims, trying to make this a personal one because you obviously lost on the issue at hand.

It must be conveniant to proclaim correctness, even when the opposite is true. :roll:

I atleast respected you before, but now must say I think very lowly of you. I'll give you benefit of the doubt that you truly didn't know these products were launching, and just assumed they were. But it really makes me wonder if you did know and just went ahead anyways with the intent to mislead others.

Definately a :thumbsdown:

When you weren't claiming that someone was only arguing to bash nVidia or simply flat out insulting yourself, your posts continued to have a hostility within them that only add to the temperature in said thread.

I find it ironic that even other members who claim that insults are not for discussions they continue to insult as well (or make suspected "agenda" claims). One of beggerking's last post in that thread was:

Obviously you are confused with your stupidity.

Yet he's at the the begining of this thread claiming that things are getting out of hand.

I think people simply need to learn how to not take things so seriously. Arguments are going to happen, certain emotions like the "rolleyes", "disgusted", ect. were included in this site for a reason and they will most likely be used again and again. Some debates are rather enjoyable to read through and can hold a certain entertainment level to them as well. And as long as there are debates that can still be about the subject after nearly 20 pages, I don't see what is so incredibly wrong.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Josh debating maybe great, but when theres no substance behind it and no respect showed to other side about their opinion (whatever their attitude might be) toward the matter equals to a rather messy end. People just refuse to listen or ignore the posts that shouldve ended the thread a long time ago and still debate around something so small. "They" dont know when to stop.

The only example i can think of is beyond3d. That place is in a whole new different league. The mods and forum members enjoy discussions/debates on matters that we would also discuss/debate about. Yet theres a big difference. Where one ends up in people accusing each other of fanboyism, the attitude of "Im right your wrong", debating about things that have no substance over and over again, and absolutely no respect showed to other members who join the discussion. While the other do have "debates" sometimes, but these end quickly because the members respect each other and listen to each and every post. They come to a conclusion where they all agree without accusations or flaming and further carry on with discussion.

I seriously do believe we should have video mods selected from AT members that are respected in the video forums.

Personally, i agree with xtknight on the matter.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

I seriously do believe we should have video mods selected from AT members that are respected in the video forums.

akshyt for video mod!

 

[Gamingphreek]

As you guys can see, I continue to praise BFG for his knowledge, yet every time I do he throws crap right back at me.

I can see where Xtknight is coming from and I agree that you need to turn your cheek. Hence the reason I posted that in another FI thread. However, returning briefly to the Video Forum myself, I was constantly accused of being an AEG marketer. I can turn the other cheek, but when it is included in every counter-argument to mine, it gets old, and it detracts from the issue at hand.

The fact that that specific thread went on for that long negates the fact that while there was constructive criticism, a majority of the posts were merely people accusing others of being pro-this or pro-that or "You are working for them".

SOMETHING, perhaps more moderation, perhaps just a simple warning post at the top of the forum and increased moderation will work. Perhaps moderators with restricted powers need to be asked, but SOMETHING needs to be done to stop the endless witch hunting.

As for Beyond3d forums, I don't post there, but I am sure they have far far less people than the AT forums do.

-Kevin

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I have, as I said, don't care what people are saying about me (Because apparently I am an 18 AEG marketer who also is in college -_-). However, oldsmoboat, you of all people on this forum understand the rules.

I don't care if people break them, but now it is REALLY starting to deter other people from the Video forum because they have to cover their ass whenever they say something even remotely in support of one "side" or the other.

Not only that it is littered with troll posts, and "witch-hunting" threads. It has gotten to the point, that in the limited amount I post in their now, I feel that it seriously detracts from the people who come in there wanting to get a question answered.

All I am saying is "What can we do to fix this problem?". I hate to see such a great forum falling apart the way it is.

-Kevin

I find it amusing that you didn't seem to mind it so much back when it was Rollo who was the one "seriously detracting" from the Video forum and people had to "cover their ass" when they said anything bad about Nvidia. As Beachboy pointed out, it used to be MUCH worse back when he was still around. But now suddenly the Video Forum is "falling apart" with Rollo gone? Even with the occasional flareup, we're still in much better shape than we were back then.

 

[Keysplayr]

Any examples that are given (Nelsius, Josh, etc.) are good ones. Whoever threw the first stone is subjective anyway. At least in that thread. Just further demonstrates the need for moderation. Everybody can get riled up, me included. Sometimes it is daaaaamn hard not to. Depends on what kind of silliness you're putting up with.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Some of those quotes have nothing to do with "witch-hunting" but I do agree that they are not topic material.

However, you yourself indulged in your fair share of insults in that same thread and seem to think that any analysis of some of nVidia's methods are considered "bashing" against nVidia.

It's saddening you didn't read my posts.

For the third time, I have no problem with debates / arguments / confrontations.

But when people continually accuse someone of being a shill working for a company, that's where it gets annoying.

All you did was quote points in a debate. I don't believe I ever suggested someone was working for a viral marketing company.

If we're all just going to start quoting eachother's critism in the boards, I can come up with lists for everyone (including you).

But that has nothing to do with what the OP and many others are referring to. So if this is just you trying to beat up on me, save it for another thread, or perhaps PM.

Nelsieus

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I have, as I said, don't care what people are saying about me (Because apparently I am an 18 AEG marketer who also is in college -_-). However, oldsmoboat, you of all people on this forum understand the rules.

I don't care if people break them, but now it is REALLY starting to deter other people from the Video forum because they have to cover their ass whenever they say something even remotely in support of one "side" or the other.

Not only that it is littered with troll posts, and "witch-hunting" threads. It has gotten to the point, that in the limited amount I post in their now, I feel that it seriously detracts from the people who come in there wanting to get a question answered.

All I am saying is "What can we do to fix this problem?". I hate to see such a great forum falling apart the way it is.

-Kevin

I find it amusing that you didn't seem to mind it so much back when it was Rollo who was the one "seriously detracting" from the Video forum and people had to "cover their ass" when they said anything bad about Nvidia. As Beachboy pointed out, it used to be MUCH worse back when he was still around. But now suddenly the Video Forum is "falling apart" with Rollo gone? Even with the occasional flareup, we're still in much better shape than we were back then.

Well in a lot of cases, the exact moment he posted a thread (No matter the content) a bunch of people always posted and turned the thread into a big flame-war. I'm not so naieve as to say that Rollo wasn't behind a lot of the flak that was coming, but he was also the recipient of some flak.

I can see where it was worse in the past, but I think that, while in the past, threads shifted completely off topic to flame, these threads just go on for ages with hundreds of accusations that are used as an excuse for an argument.

-Kevin

 

[Keysplayr]

 

[imported_RedStar]

i am not gonna colour this thread by saying anything other than....yup

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1987667&enterthread=y

 

[josh6079]

For the third time, I have no problem with debates / arguments / confrontations.

Then what is your beef with AEG accusations? Aren't they a confronation in one form or another that instigates arugements / debates?

But when people continually accuse someone of being a shill working for a company, that's where it gets annoying.

Fanboy accusations or "agenda" accusations can be equally as annoying, espicially when mixed with useless insults.

All you did was quote points in a debate. I don't believe I ever suggested someone was working for a viral marketing company.

No, but you accused others of having an "agenda" and being blatanly biased, which is just another attempt to discredit them through ad hominem. Claiming someone is affiliated with AEG is just another one of the same techniques.

If we're all just going to start quoting eachother's critism in the boards, I can come up with lists for everyone (including you).

I never claimed I haven't engaged in insults and the like, but I'm not the one agreeing that Video is intolerable in an FI thread, someone else is .

If you're going to echo other's complaints about Video needing cleaned up a bit, perhaps you shouldn't add to that which needs to be "cleaned up". Otherwise, mature in the way you recieve criticism and move on.

But that has nothing to do with what the OP and many others are referring to. So if this is just you trying to beat up on me, save it for another thread, or perhaps PM.

The fact that you or I haven't directly made AEG / HRC accusations doesn't mean that what I'm talking about isn't related to the OP's wishes. Gamingphreek stated that he:

merely want a greater level of moderating on the Video forum.

The reason for bringing that moderation *should* be more than to just stop AEG accusations, which isn't what you are trying to argue.

I'm not going to object to more moderation but I'm not going to push for it either. It isn't as bad as it used to be. Things boil up and eventually return to a simmer. If we pushed for rules everytime someone became offended the site would lose a little bit of what makes it fun to frequent these forums.

 

[BFG10K]

If I recall correctly, there is a similiar affiliation with ATI as well.

I'd like to see evidence to back your claims that there are known forum members operating under such a scheme.

The fact is, no one on this forum is currently affliated, so, time to let go.

You would know this how?

Maybe because those that are pro-nvidia are constantly being called a viral marketer?

And why do you suppose that is? Just look at the monstrosity nVidia fanboys have created in the Vista thread.

There are no Vista drivers for G80 so it can't possibly be Vista ready - such a simple concept - yet we have 18 pages of flip-flopping rhetoric from the nVidia defence team trying to argue the contrary.

It seems to me after they were beaten by logic they came running to cry about it into Forum Issues under the guise that somehow AEG accusations were causing the problem.

As you guys can see, I continue to praise BFG for his knowledge, yet every time I do he throws crap right back at me.

I don't understand Gamingphreek, where did I claim you were AEG in that thread or in any other thread?

IIRC I have never leveled that accusation at you because I don't think you have any such affiliation. For that matter I don't recall accusing anyone of being AEG in the Vista thread.

What I take issue with is flawed pro-nv arguments but you'll find I'm the same with anyone and also with flawed pro-ATi arguments. I try to be as neutral as possible and that seems to offend fanboys from both camps because I'm equally likely to call out both sides.

 

[Gamingphreek]

And why do you suppose that is? Just look at the monstrosity nVidia fanboys have created in the Vista thread.

There are no Vista drivers for G80 so it can't possibly be Vista ready - such a simple concept - yet we have 18 pages of flip-flopping rhetoric from the nVidia defence team trying to argue the contrary.

It seems to me after they were beaten by logic they came running to cry about it into Forum Issues under the guise that somehow AEG accusations were causing the problem.

Please do not turn this thread into a copy of the Vista thread. If you intend to do that then get out.

I don't understand Gamingphreek, where did I claim you were AEG in that thread or in any other thread?

IIRC I have never leveled that accusation at you because I don't think you have any such affiliation. For that matter I don't recall accusing anyone of being AEG in the Vista thread.

What I take issue with is flawed pro-nv arguments but you'll find I'm the same with anyone and also with flawed pro-ATi arguments. I try to be as neutral as possible and that seems to offend fanboys from both camps because I'm equally likely to call out both sides.

I never said you did. I said I continually catch unnecessary flak from you.

Just because my argument differs from yours doesn't mean that it is flawed and pro-nvidia. You use it as a crutch to help sustain your own argument.

Look I don't want this thread turned into another flame fest! I believe Moderating needs to be increased in the Video Forum. The moderators need to crack down on the rules, and these baseless Viral Marketing accusations MUST stop!

-Kevin

 

[BFG10K]

I never said you did. I said I continually catch unnecessary flak from you.

Ah, I see. You want the ability to post what you like without being called up on it?

Sorry, but this is an open forum and things don't work like that. You can't ask to moderate people just because you don't like them calling out your arguments.

If you don't want people responding then you shouldn't be at an open forum to begin with.

I didn't launch any personal attacks at you in the Vista thread nor did I violate any forum rules, I debated with logic so you have no right to try to restrict my responses.

Also based on your response here it looks like my previous comment about why this thread exists was right.

NV supporters were beaten in the Vista thread with logic so now they're crying to the mods to stop people who disagree with them from responding under the guise that we need "moderation".

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I never said you did. I said I continually catch unnecessary flak from you.

Ah, I see. You want the ability to post what you like without being called up on it?

Sorry, but this is an open forum and things don't work like that. You can't ask to moderate people just because you don't like them calling out your arguments.

If you don't want people responding then you shouldn't be at an open forum to begin with.

I didn't launch any personal attacks at you in the Vista thread nor did I violate any forum rules, I debated with logic so you have no right to try to restrict my responses.

Also based on your response here it looks like my previous comment about why this thread exists was right.

NV supporters were beaten in the Vista thread with logic so now they're crying to the mods to stop people who disagree with them from responding under the guise that we need "moderation".

This is ridiculous BFG, I am not focusing on that Vista thread, yet you continue to bring it back up. I didn't say I didn't want to be criticized. One more time: I said the personal attacks and Witch Hunting need to stop.

I didn't even accuse you of doing anything BFG. I didn't accuse anyone specifically, certainly I have people in mind, but listing them isn't going to do any good; its only going to raise tension.

I do wish that you would stop calling us Pro-Nvidia for supporting one issue, and I wish you would stop polluting my Forum Issues thread with references to one specific thread.

-Kevin

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well in a lot of cases, the exact moment he posted a thread (No matter the content) a bunch of people always posted and turned the thread into a big flame-war. I'm not so naieve as to say that Rollo wasn't behind a lot of the flak that was coming, but he was also the recipient of some flak.

I can see where it was worse in the past, but I think that, while in the past, threads shifted completely off topic to flame, these threads just go on for ages with hundreds of accusations that are used as an excuse for an argument.

-Kevin

You admit Rollo was the cause of a lot of the problems, yet you never called him out for it. In fact, if I recall, you stuck by him and defended him at every turn even though now you admit he was "behind a lot of the flak". But now that he's gone, suddenly the Video forum needs "someone to crack down in there" even though "I can see where it was worse in the past"?

Where was your outrage when HE was the one doing the flaming? Where was your concern when HE was the one doing the harrassing? Why didn't you create a thread in FI complaining about Rollo's behavior back then if member courtesy towards each other is of so much concern to you?

I think BFG hit the nail on the head.

Originally posted by: BFG10K
NV supporters were beaten in the Vista thread with logic so now they're crying to the mods to stop people who disagree with them from responding under the guise that we need "moderation".

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well in a lot of cases, the exact moment he posted a thread (No matter the content) a bunch of people always posted and turned the thread into a big flame-war. I'm not so naieve as to say that Rollo wasn't behind a lot of the flak that was coming, but he was also the recipient of some flak.

I can see where it was worse in the past, but I think that, while in the past, threads shifted completely off topic to flame, these threads just go on for ages with hundreds of accusations that are used as an excuse for an argument.

-Kevin

You admit Rollo was the cause of a lot of the problems, yet you never called him out for it. In fact, if I recall, you stuck by him and defended him at every turn even though now you admit he was "behind a lot of the flak". But now that he's gone, suddenly the Video forum needs "someone to crack down in there" even though "I can see where it was worse in the past"?

Where was your outrage when HE was the one doing the flaming? Where was your concern when HE was the one doing the harrassing? Why didn't you create a thread in FI complaining about Rollo's behavior back then if member courtesy towards each other is of so much concern to you?

I think BFG hit the nail on the head.

Originally posted by: BFG10K
NV supporters were beaten in the Vista thread with logic so now they're crying to the mods to stop people who disagree with them from responding under the guise that we need "moderation".

I think you need to leave this thread and drop the Rollo bullsh!t!!!!! It is over and done with. If you must know why I didn't call him out, I don't know. I don't recall posting about it until after the fact.

Creig, I'm not naming names, but dear lord you are really making me rethink that. So please get out of my FI thread with your "Anyone who disagrees with me is biased attitude", and your constant comparisons to Rollo.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

This thread is over. I have PMed the mods asking for a general solution, without naming the names I believe are behind most of it. Everyone can stop posting and arguing about everything having to do with Rollo, and Fan-Boyism.

-Kevin

 

[rise]

i'd just delete those ridiculous threads, especially the "i need drivers..." one. nothing will piss off those wannabe lawyer fanboys more than seeing all their long winded, nested quotes bickering back and forth with each other for days on end just disappear. :laugh:

edit- oh yeah, and about 10 bans would take care of much of the problem.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: josh6079

For the third time, I have no problem with debates / arguments / confrontations.

Then what is your beef with AEG accusations? Aren't they a confronation in one form or another that instigates arugements / debates?

But when people continually accuse someone of being a shill working for a company, that's where it gets annoying.

Fanboy accusations or "agenda" accusations can be equally as annoying, espicially when mixed with useless insults.

All you did was quote points in a debate. I don't believe I ever suggested someone was working for a viral marketing company.

No, but you accused others of having an "agenda" and being blatanly biased, which is just another attempt to discredit them through ad hominem. Claiming someone is affiliated with AEG is just another one of the same techniques.

If we're all just going to start quoting eachother's critism in the boards, I can come up with lists for everyone (including you).

I never claimed I haven't engaged in insults and the like, but I'm not the one agreeing that Video is intolerable in an FI thread, someone else is .

If you're going to echo other's complaints about Video needing cleaned up a bit, perhaps you shouldn't add to that which needs to be "cleaned up". Otherwise, mature in the way you recieve criticism and move on.

But that has nothing to do with what the OP and many others are referring to. So if this is just you trying to beat up on me, save it for another thread, or perhaps PM.

The fact that you or I haven't directly made AEG / HRC accusations doesn't mean that what I'm talking about isn't related to the OP's wishes. Gamingphreek stated that he:

merely want a greater level of moderating on the Video forum.

The reason for bringing that moderation *should* be more than to just stop AEG accusations, which isn't what you are trying to argue.

I'm not going to object to more moderation but I'm not going to push for it either. It isn't as bad as it used to be. Things boil up and eventually return to a simmer. If we pushed for rules everytime someone became offended the site would lose a little bit of what makes it fun to frequent these forums.

Your last sentences here bother me a bit. Maybe you find it "fun" to constantly find yourself in not just average, but heated and inflammatory debates, but a lot of members here are growing tired of it. Halfway through reading your post here, you said you wouldn't object to more moderation, but wouldn't push for it either? I said to myself, "Why the heck wouldn't you?" You answered my question by telling me it is fun for you the way it is now. I'm a little dissappointed.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

NV supporters were beaten in the Vista thread with logic so now they're crying to the mods to stop people who disagree with them from responding under the guise that we need "moderation".

:roll: No one was "beaten". The vista thread was NOT the first time I have seen certain people calling others viral marketers, although one person in particular in the vista thread seemed to have mentioned that in every one of his posts