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Something Needs to be done about Video Forum

Gamingphreek

Gamingphreek

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If anyone has any suggestions, except that "You are on your own" please give them

Guys, it is out of hand in there. Without naming specific individuals the harassment needs to stop.

We have endless "Witch-Hunting" going on after the whole AEG affair, and quite frankly I am tired of everyone who posts in there getting accused of it.

Furthermore, the amount of trolling in there and the amount of slander is worse than even P&N.

I don't mean this post to come off as whining, I merely want to express my concern about the "Your on your own" tactic. I realize the mods are volunteers, but someone needs to be appointed or someone needs to crack down in there.

-Kevin




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It's not so bad in there now. It's been a lot worse in the past.

And as far as the "witch hunting" goes... I swear to God I will strangle the next fanboy that parrots this AEG phrase, lol. Nvidia polluted these forums with their marketing trash and should expect people to hold their feet to the fire on this issue... it won't be forgotten any time soon... at least, I hope not. 😉
 
I have, as I said, don't care what people are saying about me (Because apparently I am an 18 AEG marketer who also is in college -_-). However, oldsmoboat, you of all people on this forum understand the rules.

I don't care if people break them, but now it is REALLY starting to deter other people from the Video forum because they have to cover their ass whenever they say something even remotely in support of one "side" or the other.

Not only that it is littered with troll posts, and "witch-hunting" threads. It has gotten to the point, that in the limited amount I post in their now, I feel that it seriously detracts from the people who come in there wanting to get a question answered.

All I am saying is "What can we do to fix this problem?". I hate to see such a great forum falling apart the way it is.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: Beachboy
It's not so bad in there now. It's been a lot worse in the past.

And as far as the "witch hunting" goes... I swear to God I will strangle the next fanboy that parrots this AEG phrase, lol. Nvidia polluted these forums with their marketing trash and should expect people to hold their feet to the fire on this issue... it won't be forgotten any time soon... at least, I hope not. 😉
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I don't mean forget about it, but everyone regardless of past history and post count is now accused of being a viral marketer. One person posted about it here in forum issues earlier who was new here, and now AFAIK doesn't post too much after that incident.

I don't care about insults, but as I said previously, it is now starting to seriously detract from the forum.

-Kevin
 
I have to agree with the OP. Not naming anyone, but when i saw a great individual that really helps out the IT community get constantly accused of being an AEG member, a viral marketer and what not. Even with his clear explanation that the "viral marketing group" vanished along time ago still didnt prevent others from accusing him and flaming him.

Then theres accusations of being this certain "AT member" who was banned or having his "style" of posts.

AT has been great, but i agree with gamingphreek. Some users are just getting out of hand as of late. New users are scared off by threads with a scent of fire miles away if not directly flamed for expressing their thoughts toward the thread topic. Then there are numerous threads based on issues with no real substance, (i could think of one right away) and quite abit of trolling.

Discussions are great, but when accsusations, flaming and trolling becomes present it really brings the worse of the video forums in AT. There needs to be certain rules/discipline in the video forums. I wouldnt mind having several members (with respect from others and responsiblity) of the video forums selected to become video mods.





 
My first exposure to tech forums of any kind were videocard forums(hunting for drivers for my old Riva card) and if I've learned anything from all these years of looking at videocard forums I've learned that there are some people who look at videocards like some people look at religion. The card and the company that make it are much more than just another corporation in their minds.

My big thing with all computer parts is that they are simply parts. If brand X works better than brand Y and is cheaper I will go with it. My current videocard is Nvidia and the one before that ATI. I have no burning love for either corporation.

There are lots of people in the video forum who are simply "Nvidia only" folks which is OK but some of them seem to have a need to force this viewpoint on others, much like old Rollo used to do. I used to post a lot more in the video forum and was one of the ones who was instrumental in outing Rollo despite being warned by him and others that I risked being banned for accusing him of being exactly what he turned out to be. I just knew that anyone who could only see the bad from one corporation while seeing only the good from another corporation could not be for real.

Anyway, the point is that there are still some people who are just a little too adamant in their recommendations towards people requesting help in figuring out what they need for a videocard. People who go beyond saying "this is what I have and I like it" and instead search for an Nvidia solution to the person asking for advice while knocking any other possible solution. It's just plain stupid sometimes and you can't expect the AEG allegations to go away until people stop blindly promoting one brand over another with no support for their recommendations.
 
Gamingphreek is correct. It's become a conveniant tactic to simply shoot down those who disagree with you by accusing them of some crazy, far-out affiliation. I've seen very respected, moderate members get ripped apart personally because the points they offer aren't radical enough to satisfy those who consistently bully others. This intoleration drives most respected members away, and leaves a bad taste to those who come and visit.

It's one thing to question one's credance and bias, afterall I wouldn't blame people after the situation that took place many months ago. But to go so far as to label them as a shil for either ATI / nVidia is a little inappropriate, diverts from the thread topic, and results in a massive, 20 page post of bickering back and forth.

And how does one exactly refute the claim that they supposedly work for a viral marketing company. Apparently, there's some members who feel like it's the accused person's responsbility to prove their innocence, but how does one exactly do that. Sure, you can ignore the claims, but who honestly wants to frequent a board where they're scared they'll be attacked everytime they dare speak an opinion.

Again, I have accused many people in the boards of containing a bias or slant (as I think anyone would agree). But I don't believe I've ever accused someone of being a member of, let's say, "High Road Communications," or whatnot.

Honestly, in my opinion, this only pertains to one specific member on the boards who is constantly using the tactics described above. Despite my disagreements with other members, I still respect them enough to recognize that disagreements are natural, common, and generate good discussion (even if they do get pointless after a while). They might occasionally let the accusations slip, but I think we are all mature enough to take it once in a while (even though I agree with the OP that I think it should stop being used).

But when it comes to this certain member, those ethics seem to get thrown out in nearly every thread. I think most people probably know who I'm talking about, as well. If not, I'll give you a hint:

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I agree with the OP. ANYTIME someone says anything positive about nvidia, out comes the accusations of being "just like Rollo" (Yes, I have seen his posts, I read these forums about a year before I joined) or "here comes the viral marketers!" or "AEG!!1!!!!11" by a few people that I won't name. On the other side of the coin, anyone who is too positive of ATI is called an ATI fanboy, NOT a viral marketer. I have no problem with people calling each other fanboys or whatever, people should call the nvidia fans "nvidia fanboys". But, when someone screams "VIRAL MARKETING!" in every thread it gets annoying and does nothing to help the discussion. It's like certain people NEED a convenient scapegoat for everything.

Why can't we just call each other fanboys and quit the whole AEG witchhunting crap? 😉
 
Maybe this thread needs some specific examples. From what I've read so far, it just seems to be a lot of very vague descriptions and the Mod's appreciate things to be as specific as possible and therefore quick. Their day is busy enough.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
I find it quite interesting that those that want to "clean up" video usually have a pro-nVidia stance. Clean up obviously in this sense means to silence those that oppose nVidia, exactly like Trollos campaign here.

but when i saw a great individual that really helps out the IT community get constantly accused of being an AEG member, a viral marketer and what not.[/ Even with his clear explanation that the "viral marketing group" vanished along time ago still didnt prevent others from accusing him and flaming him.
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BFG, you are a very knowledgeable member, you know architecture and 3D-Design type things. But you just made an example out of yourself. I didn't name anyone, yet you are already in here accusing us of being fanboys!!!!! WHY!?!

^That is an example of what needs to stop.
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I find it quite interesting that those that want to "clean up" video and start these threads usually have a pro-nVidia stance in video.

"Clean up" obviously in this sense means to silence those that oppose nVidia, much like Trollo's AEG crusade campaign.

but when i saw a great individual that really helps out the IT community get constantly accused of being an AEG member, a viral marketer and what not.
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You're talking about Chris Ray? He was an AEG agent, hence we would expect the accusations. Or what, they should stop because he told us there is no AEG?

Remember, Trollo denied being a member of the AEG and look at how that turned out. He even managed to get people banned to stop the "witch hunting" and "baseless accusations".
 
Originally posted by: josh6079
Maybe this thread needs some specific examples. From what I've read so far, it just seems to be a lot of very vague descriptions and the Mod's appreciate things to be as specific as possible and therefore quick. Their day is busy enough.
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I completely understand, but I don't want to name anyone or get anyone in trouble. I don't even want to imply it. I merely want a greater level of moderating on the Video forum, and I would like it if they put this Viral Marketing "Witch Hunt" to an end.

As I said in my first post, I feel more inclined to post in P&N. Even they, if you respect their views, respect you more than in the Video forum- something that is unacceptable.

If you guys really need a specific thread, the only thread that I posted on regularly lately was that insanely long Vista Drivers thread. That was one of the first times I returned to the Video Forum, and right from the get-go I was accused of being a Viral Marketer and what not (Even after everyone in their knows that I have been posting on these Forums forever)

-Kevin
 
QFT op! this is seriously out of hand. For instance, there are members who shamelessly put AGE crap in their sigs such as

"Known AEG/nVidia viral forum marketers: Rollo/Jethro Bodine, ChrisRay, Chalnoth, Ailuros " ..

and come out trolling constantly.

Honestly, both sides (Nvidia or ATI) have their ups and downs.. both produce great products. Us, as consumers, should support both to allow compeition and lower prices.
 
You're talking about Chris Ray? He was an AEG agent, hence we would expect the accusations. Or what, they should stop because he told us there is no AEG?

Remember, Trollo denied being a member of the AEG and look at how that turned out. He even managed to get people banned to stop the "witch hunting" and "baseless accusations".
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Look man, I know where you are coming from here, but the endless accusations NEED to stop. Every time someone says something positive about one company, or disagrees with the views of someone else, the words Viral Marketing come out.

We understand what happened here a while back, and while we know you feel strongly about it, the regular accusations NEED to stop.

-Kevin
 
QFT op! this is seriously out of hand. For instance, there are members who shamelessly put AGE crap in their sigs such as

"Known AEG/nVidia viral forum marketers: Rollo/Jethro Bodine, ChrisRay, Chalnoth, Ailuros " ..
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Yup, we can't have anyone knowing the truth about the viral marketing. Silence the sigs like we try to silence anyone that speaks up about nVidia. :roll:
 
I completely understand, but I don't want to name anyone or get anyone in trouble. I don't even want to imply it. I merely want a greater level of moderating on the Video forum
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In that case why segregate this issue to "witch-hunting" or even AEG? Why not include flamebait and insults as well since that happens just as much if not more often?
If you guys really need a specific thread, the only thread that I posted on regularly lately was that insanely long Vista Drivers thread. That was one of the first times I returned to the Video Forum, and right from the get-go I was accused of being a Viral Marketer and what not (Even after everyone in their knows that I have been posting on these Forums forever)
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There were other things needing moderating than just the "witch-hunt" accusastions in that thread. However for a thread that long to still be on topic with what the thread's heading describes even *after* those accusations and the like have been made is pretty nice compared to other previous ones. Normally a thread that long wouldn't even be about the topic anymore, especially if that many accusations and insults went about.

In short, I think things are a bit better than they used to be and have slowly gotten that way. Hey at least we have AEG warning sigs rather than video cards for sale in them, right?
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
QFT op! this is seriously out of hand. For instance, there are members who shamelessly put AGE crap in their sigs such as

"Known AEG/nVidia viral forum marketers: Rollo/Jethro Bodine, ChrisRay, Chalnoth, Ailuros " ..
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Yup, we can't have anyone knowing the truth about the viral marketing. Silence the sigs like we try to silence anyone that speaks up about nVidia. :roll:
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If I recall correctly, there is a similiar affiliation with ATI as well. I don't see people constantly accusing each other with it. The fact is, no one on this forum is currently affliated, so, time to let go.
 
Stop dwelling on the past. We should be looking at the future. Rollo is NO MORE. AEG is NO MORE. These pointless accusations should be NO MORE. Yet people arent willing to let go of the past til they end up in their graves taking the accusations with them.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
I find it quite interesting that those that want to "clean up" video and start these threads usually have a pro-nVidia stance in video.
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Maybe because those that are pro-nvidia are constantly being called a viral marketer? I'm not talking about people like gstanfor who probably deserve to be called AEG shills, but as soon as your opinion goes against one of the few pro-ati posters that are trolls, the first thing they do say something like "you're just like trollo" or "i see the viral marketers are out today" or "AEGAEGAEGAEGAAAAA!" 😛

"Clean up" obviously in this sense means to silence those that oppose nVidia, much like Trollo's AEG crusade campaign.
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They shouldnt be "cleaned up" because they're opposing nvidia, they should be cleaned up because they are trolls 😕
 
Some of you guys really give me the impression you don't remember what the video forums used to be like ... true they are far from perfect & some un-warranted flaming & other assorted nonesense does go on, but compared to what we used to see on a regular basis, things are downright mellow.

If you see a specific thread that warrants a mods attention, PM them a link & if its bad enough it'll be dealt with.... otherwise ignore the idiots as best you can , because the entire world is full of them, not just the AT video forum.

 
Originally posted by: Captante
Some of you guys really give me the impression you don't remember what the video forums used to be like ... true they are far from perfect & some un-warranted flaming & other assorted nonesense does go on, but compared to what we used to see on a regular basis, things are downright mellow.

If you see a specific thread that warrants a mods attention, PM them a link & if its bad enough it'll be dealt with.... otherwise ignore the idiots as best you can , because the entire world is full of them, not just the AT video forum.
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PM'ing a mod certainly does help. It does indeed expedite any "investigation". But I think what all these good folks are asking for, in the video forum, is a bit of civility restoration. Actually more than a bit. It might take just a few simple rules appended to exiting AT rules.
A conduct guideline update. And the most coveted item of all, would be at least a part time moderator to enforce them. Statements like the one BFG just made is a good example of what the OP and other in here are talking about. Nobody can make a statement without being labeled pro this or that. So, I support the OP and his good intentions here as well as the others.

-Keys
 
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