something in the govt. system is messed up....

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Incorrect.

Absolutely correct. There are tons of good paying jobs ready for people who want to show up and actually work.

Where? India, China?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Incorrect.

Absolutely correct. There are tons of good paying jobs ready for people who want to show up and actually work.

Where? India, China?

Around here they can't find people for 20/hr jobs because it's "hard work".

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: sandorski
Obviously it was meant to be Affordable Housing. Sorry. Realtor probably should have mentioned that before getting your hopes up.

Affordable to who? That's a pretty general statement. Obviously the OP can afford it since he was interested.

not legally usually...lots of hustling going on though. Always see nice cars with huge wheels and stereos. Lexus SUV's and Escalades seem to be favorites.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
So what about a single income person? What's the limit?

not sure....my gf is gonna try to see if one if use can sign ourselves. I am just amazed. It's 1200 SQ FT 2 Bedroom apt. in BOSTON, not Dorchester, but boston. That usually goes for more than 750K.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Don't expect liberal people to think rationally. They're fans of a welfare state and ranting about obviously flawed things like this will cause them to oppose you.

In your world you probably work for your money and buy things that are within your means. This does not satisfy the liberal. They believe in handouts and entitlements.

It was going fine until you brought up liberals. No need to and now the masses are going to come out and the thread will be locked shortly.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

report back when the government actually does something good, that will be newsworthy

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Don't expect liberal people to think rationally. They're fans of a welfare state and ranting about obviously flawed things like this will cause them to oppose you.

In your world you probably work for your money and buy things that are within your means. This does not satisfy the liberal. They believe in handouts and entitlements.

It was going fine until you brought up liberals. No need to and now the masses are going to come out and the thread will be locked shortly.

It's hard to bring this issue up and not address the difference in political views. Most people would agree that you need to afford goods/services with your own money. However, a lunatic fringe believes that such items are human rights and they're given away as entitlements.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80
Many cities strong arm and extort condo developers to make a certain % of the units for low income so they can hook up their family or constituents with under market housing. Santa Monica does this.

It's like section 8 for condos.

That's a rather cynical view. Cities require people to work certain Low Wage Jobs, without them the city can not function. That is why the Market is not relied on, as it Fails to meet the Needs in many cases.

I hope you're not talking about janitors and garbage men since 95% of them are unionized and have some of the best non-skilled labor rates in the country. I think 20-25/hour to pick up trash is a fair wage.

They wouldn't qualify either. There are many Jobs that don't Pay anything near that amount and are still required in the City. Hell, I bet half the people Posting in this thread think those people you mention are not worth half as much as they Earn.

So, because a certain property is out of someone's price range they are entitled to a discount? GTFO. It's called living within your means. If you can't afford a property then find a cheaper one, or rent and save your money until you CAN afford it.

Also, minimum wage jobs are not intended to be living wage jobs. I thought everyone knew this.

Sigh. It obviously isn't out of their Price Range now, isn't it? This is a major problem in any big City. Your solution only results in Working people living on the street.

Even Minimum Wage is far short of what a Living Wage is in the City. You might wanna read up on the issue.

What?

Lets try this again. The condo at fair market value is out of the price range of some people. This does not entitle these people to a 100k discount at the tax payer's expense so they can now "afford" the house. This simply means they need to save their money so that they can eventually afford it, find a cheaper property or find higher paying jobs (which requires effort and time, something people expecting a hand out don't like!).

Of course minimum wage jobs are not living wage jobs. I just said that, but thanks for agreeing with me. Lets say it again: Minimum wage jobs ARE NOT intended to be living wage jobs. They are intended to be part time jobs for young people, seniors and working adults to SUPPLEMENT FULL TIME SKILLED INCOME JOBS. A person can't live on a minimum wage job, this is common knowledge.

Ugh. For starters, Tax Payers have likely spent nothing to make this possible. The Building Permit probably mandates a certain amount of Affordable Units. So the Developer designs the Building with those Units in mind.

You keep harping on Minimum Wage. Even Wages higher than the Minimum Wage are insufficient "Living Wages" in Cities.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Don't expect liberal people to think rationally. They're fans of a welfare state and ranting about obviously flawed things like this will cause them to oppose you.

In your world you probably work for your money and buy things that are within your means. This does not satisfy the liberal. They believe in handouts and entitlements.

It was going fine until you brought up liberals. No need to and now the masses are going to come out and the thread will be locked shortly.

It's hard to bring this issue up and not address the difference in political views. Most people would agree that you need to afford goods/services with your own money. However, a lunatic fringe believes that such items are human rights and they're given away as entitlements.

Oh I totally agree with you and that what happened to the OP is crap and I don't support stuff like that cus if you can't afford something you can't have it but we should ban the words liberal/conservative/democrat/republican from OT cus it gets threads locked.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Don't expect liberal people to think rationally. They're fans of a welfare state and ranting about obviously flawed things like this will cause them to oppose you.

In your world you probably work for your money and buy things that are within your means. This does not satisfy the liberal. They believe in handouts and entitlements.

It was going fine until you brought up liberals. No need to and now the masses are going to come out and the thread will be locked shortly.

It's hard to bring this issue up and not address the difference in political views. Most people would agree that you need to afford goods/services with your own money. However, a lunatic fringe believes that such items are human rights and they're given away as entitlements.

Ah yes, people who want to House people are Lunatics! :roll:

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: iFX
Yup. It's fucked up.

Hard working people are SOL. Quit your job and some pinko group will be happy to write you a check from the tax payer's account to get you in that condo.

^ Democrat party has to buy its votes somehow.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Ugh. For starters, Tax Payers have likely spent nothing to make this possible. The Building Permit probably mandates a certain amount of Affordable Units. So the Developer designs the Building with those Units in mind.

You keep harping on Minimum Wage. Even Wages higher than the Minimum Wage are insufficient "Living Wages" in Cities.

You pretty much dodged his entire point. All housing/apartment units have a certain value, and those that can afford those units should be able to buy them. If a unit in a city is worth $100k, It makes no sense to deny the sale to someone with the money only to give it away to someone who does not have the money. Things of value should be bought.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80
Many cities strong arm and extort condo developers to make a certain % of the units for low income so they can hook up their family or constituents with under market housing. Santa Monica does this.

It's like section 8 for condos.

That's a rather cynical view. Cities require people to work certain Low Wage Jobs, without them the city can not function. That is why the Market is not relied on, as it Fails to meet the Needs in many cases.

They can go live in Compton. Why the fuck should a property owner in Santa Monica give away prime property to someone for under market?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Aharami
the world is so simple for elitists. try telling that to the single immigrant mother who came to this country on her own and worked two jobs to support her only child. ever since she came here, she wanted her own house but could not afford the over-inflated prices. one day she heard of something called govt assisted housing and put her name down on a list. after many years she finally got a call that a small two bedroom condo finally opened up and she was at the top of the list. She finally got to own a house and works hard to make each mortgage payment. When she is finally ready to move on, she'll have to sell way below market, but she doesnt care. She is just happy to have a place she can call home

btw, this is in a suburb...not in a big city

The world is so simple for people who construct hypotheticals to aid their own self righteous agenda.

Why did the mother come over here? To work or be subsidized? Why couldn't she work in her own country, or participate in voting for laws that lower taxes so those who work hard can be better rewarded?
Or even more so, why was she single? Did she have a child out of wedlock? Why couldn't she have made better choices? Or found a husband?

There's a million better choices than coming over here and leeching off hard working tax payers just because "you can."

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Don't expect liberal people to think rationally. They're fans of a welfare state and ranting about obviously flawed things like this will cause them to oppose you.

In your world you probably work for your money and buy things that are within your means. This does not satisfy the liberal. They believe in handouts and entitlements.

It was going fine until you brought up liberals. No need to and now the masses are going to come out and the thread will be locked shortly.

It's hard to bring this issue up and not address the difference in political views. Most people would agree that you need to afford goods/services with your own money. However, a lunatic fringe believes that such items are human rights and they're given away as entitlements.

Ah yes, people who want to House people are Lunatics! :roll:

They can go live where they can afford it. I can't live in prime areas cus I can't afford it. Why should someone who makes less than me be able to live there?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: JS80
Many cities strong arm and extort condo developers to make a certain % of the units for low income so they can hook up their family or constituents with under market housing. Santa Monica does this.

It's like section 8 for condos.

Actually, in MA and in many states, developers are able to bypass particular zoning regulations if they make 20% of the units affordable. In most cases, they do this to even be able to build in a certain location and in other's it allows them to maximize the number of units they can build in that location.

In the vast majority of cases, it's a win-win situation for all.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Why should someone who makes less than me be able to live there?

Because you're not black/mexican

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80
Many cities strong arm and extort condo developers to make a certain % of the units for low income so they can hook up their family or constituents with under market housing. Santa Monica does this.

It's like section 8 for condos.

That's a rather cynical view. Cities require people to work certain Low Wage Jobs, without them the city can not function. That is why the Market is not relied on, as it Fails to meet the Needs in many cases.

They can go live in Compton. Why the fuck should a property owner in Santa Monica give away prime property to someone for under market?

B/c if the property owner didn't, he more than likely wouldn't have been able to build in that location in the first place due to current zoning laws. By creating affordable units, the property owner was more than likely able to bypass a number of zoning regulations.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Ah yes, people who want to House people are Lunatics! :roll:

All of the viewpoints you state are very weak and often skirt the actual topic at hand.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to house people. The OP wanted to house himself in a unit that he could afford. However, this person with the money was denied the sale so that someone without the money can get it as a handout.

If the person does not have the money to buy units in that area they should look in a different area. There is no justification to artificially override the market by giving expensive units as handouts.

In NJ, they even went as far as passing a law stating that all towns must provide low income housing and stated that wealthy towns cannot pay for the construction of affordable units in other towns. What this means is that the nice towns that I knew growing up must now provide housing for people that would live in the ghetto, effectively destroying that section of town.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sandorski

Ah yes, people who want to House people are Lunatics! :roll:

All of the viewpoints you state are very weak and often skirt the actual topic at hand.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to house people. The OP wanted to house himself in a unit that he could afford. However, this person with the money was denied the sale so that someone without the money can get it as a handout.

If the person does not have the money to buy units in that area they should look in a different area. There is no justification to artificially override the market by giving expensive units as handouts.

In NJ, they even went as far as passing a law stating that all towns must provide low income housing and stated that wealthy towns cannot pay for the construction of affordable units in other towns. What this means is that the nice towns that I knew growing up must now provide housing for people that would live in the ghetto, effectively destroying that section of town.

:laugh:

 

[DrPizza]

Ummm, you're single. Why not purchase it for yourself, wait a month, then have the gf move in? i.e. just put it in one person's name, not two persons' names.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Gibson486
I was in boston and saw this condo for 350K....the condo was sold....so realtor says that he has this fantastic condo for 250K that was listed just today. I am thinking, man, this must be a 400 SQ FT... Boy was I wrong. It was a 1200 SQ FT apt in the Boston's govt center area. It had an elevator and doorman. I was like HOLY SHIT. DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH! No one died in the apt. There was no drug raid, sign me up. I call my gf to doen and sign stuff. My gf and I begin to fill papers and we say we will not even counter offer. He looks over the papers...No go...why? My gf and I make too much. What? Yup...this place is GOVT. ASSISTED. HOw does one get govt assistance to buy a condo in BOSTON? I thoughtit was only rent. You cannot make a combined income of more than 86K. I have never questioned the govt when it comes to housing, but that is just over the line....

Two of the townhouses in my complex in Cambridge are designated as affordable. Yes, you can buy it for less than market value but the unit will always have to be affordable so if you sell it, the unit will have to be at a set price determined by the city.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80
Many cities strong arm and extort condo developers to make a certain % of the units for low income so they can hook up their family or constituents with under market housing. Santa Monica does this.

It's like section 8 for condos.

That's a rather cynical view. Cities require people to work certain Low Wage Jobs, without them the city can not function. That is why the Market is not relied on, as it Fails to meet the Needs in many cases.

How about paying better for the low wage jobs so people can afford to live in the city? It will give the workers the choice on what they want to spend their money on: a place to live close to where they work, or extra money if they live with an hour commute. This sort of configuration empowers the people to move the market instead of artificially constraining the market to meet the needs of the people.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sandorski

Ah yes, people who want to House people are Lunatics! :roll:

All of the viewpoints you state are very weak and often skirt the actual topic at hand.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to house people. The OP wanted to house himself in a unit that he could afford. However, this person with the money was denied the sale so that someone without the money can get it as a handout.

If the person does not have the money to buy units in that area they should look in a different area. There is no justification to artificially override the market by giving expensive units as handouts.

In NJ, they even went as far as passing a law stating that all towns must provide low income housing and stated that wealthy towns cannot pay for the construction of affordable units in other towns. What this means is that the nice towns that I knew growing up must now provide housing for people that would live in the ghetto, effectively destroying that section of town.

sniffles

So what?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Don't expect liberal people to think rationally. They're fans of a welfare state and ranting about obviously flawed things like this will cause them to oppose you.

In your world you probably work for your money and buy things that are within your means. This does not satisfy the liberal. They believe in handouts and entitlements.

It was going fine until you brought up liberals. No need to and now the masses are going to come out and the thread will be locked shortly.

It's hard to bring this issue up and not address the difference in political views. Most people would agree that you need to afford goods/services with your own money. However, a lunatic fringe believes that such items are human rights and they're given away as entitlements.

Ah yes, people who want to House people are Lunatics! :roll:

They can go live where they can afford it. I can't live in prime areas cus I can't afford it. Why should someone who makes less than me be able to live there?

What if the City needs their Labour?