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SMART data on my HGST 12TB:

32,953 powered on hours.

Power Cycle Count 50.

1,114,450,877 GB written.

12,321,360,000 GB read.

It appears to have been busy 🙂

So I had to use the little SATA power adapter that was included in the shipment for it to spin up. Anyone know if that is needed once after its been decommissioned or is this adapter always needed?
 
blckgrffn said:
SMART data on my HGST 12TB:

32,953 powered on hours.

Power Cycle Count 50.

1,114,450,877 GB written.

12,321,360,000 GB read.

It appears to have been busy 🙂

So I had to use the little SATA power adapter that was included in the shipment for it to spin up. Anyone know if that is needed once after its been decommissioned or is this adapter always needed?
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I'm guessing that it's due to the power disable feature. They have models that don't have that feature. I accidentally purchased a couple of power disable drives. I had to use the molex to SATA power adapter to get them to spin up. Then @Red Squirrel got me all worried about a fire hazard using those adapters.
 
bigboxes said:
I'm guessing that it's due to the power disable feature. They have models that don't have that feature. I accidentally purchased a couple of power disable drives. I had to use the molex to SATA power adapter to get them to spin up. Then @Red Squirrel got me all worried about a fire hazard using those adapters.
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Yes. There was a big postcard in the box about the power disable “feature”. For me as this is a cold storage backup I just need to make sure I package the adapter with the drive in storage.

But yeah, if I was buying a handful for my storage box I would be miffed about this.
 
manly said:
LOL these will never be brand new, unused spares. If you're going by the SMART "Power On Hours" metric, then you've been fooled by Server Part Deals. They reset the SMART counters on their "refurbished" drives.

It's a great deal at $85; but the price is currently spiked to $120. There are some other options on Amazon if you need to buy something now.

12TB enterprise refurb drives, $89 at Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/HGST-Ultrastar-HUH721212ALE600-3-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B07Y8GF5M6/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=wd+ultrastar&m=A10GIQVUTYZMGS&qid=1707241750&s=merchant-items&sr=1-9 These are SATA enterprise WD Ultrastar HC 520 drives, so pretty solid generally. Refurbished and sold by goharddrive...
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Purchased 12 of these drives. I have not decided if they are good or not, they are not fast drives. I have had to reset one of the drives several times and have never done the same with the 18tb exos I had in the same doc.
 
igor_kavinski said:
Very lucky!

These drives are rated for about 180 TB/year. Your drives were barely 1% used so brand new in essence!
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3 had about 1230-1240 days power on and 1 had 426 with almost identical read/write numbers. And I have gotten lucky with refurbed drives as well as having only a few hours on them. I have drives that are 15 years old that still work fine. I have a WD 1TB black drive that went bad and a 13 year old Hitachi that is giving "warnings" though all the readings are green. I'm going to fill it with non critical download backups and put it in my vault.
 
jamesdsimone said:
Still available on ebay.

www.ebay.com

HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 12TB SATA 6Gb 256MB 3.5" Enterprise HDD- HUH721212ALE601 | eBay

[ G01-1549-CR-5YR ] HGST Ultrastar HC520 HUH721212ALE601 12TB 7200RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Helium Datacenter Hard Drive (Certified Refurbished) - 5 Year Warranty. Why does helium make a diference?.
www.ebay.com
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Man...why are you like this? I paid $500 for my 10TB drives back in 2017. Couldn't wait until 2024. I wouldn't dare go with Seagate. LOL
 
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bigboxes said:
Man...why are you like this? I paid $500 for my 10TB drives back in 2017. Couldn't wait until 2024. I wouldn't dare go with Seagate. LOL
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I'm just being a good citizen. These drive are about the best you can buy and new ones are still 317.68 on Newegg.
igor_kavinski said:
Very lucky!

These drives are rated for about 180 TB/year. Your drives were barely 1% used so brand new in essence!
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It says they are rated for 550TB/yr. If all the specs are true these should effectively last forever under normal desktop use. The seller who some people feel is shady is giving a 5 year warranty on top of the factory 5 yr warranty. And if say one goes bad in 3 years unlikely they will have 12TB drives to replace it so they'll send the next best thing so by then you'll probably get a 20+TB instead.
 
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jamesdsimone said:
I'm just being a good citizen. These drive are about the best you can buy and new ones are still 317.68 on Newegg.


It says they are rated for 550/yr. If all the specs are true these should effectively last forever under normal desktop. The seller who some people feel is shady is giving a 5 year warranty on top of the factory 5 yr warranty. And if say one goes bad in 3 years unlikely they will have 12TB drives to replace it so they'll send the next best thing so by then you;ll probably get a 20+TB instead.
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Yeah, I got mine in 2017 and I bought 4 of them. Love the current price. I'm HGST all day every day!
 
bigboxes said:
Yeah, I got mine in 2017 and I bought 4 of them. Love the current price. I'm HGST all day every day!
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I have a Hitachi 2TB manufacture 2009 that I bought refurbed 10 years ago and 2 1.5TB drives that must be 15 years old sitting in my very first NAS, a 2 bay Dlink. They are slow but still work fine.
 
jamesdsimone said:
I have a Hitachi 2TB manufacture 2009 that I bought refurbed 10 years ago and 2 1.5TB drives that must be 15 years old sitting in my very first NAS, a 2 bay Dlink. They are slow but still work fine.
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When I built my main rig in 2021, I had 3 x 2TB HGST drives from my previous main rig for my thrash drives. One was starting to go bad. I found three on Amazon for like $60 a piece. They were all brand new. The old ones were ten years old. Can't beat that kind of reliability.
 
jamesdsimone said:
If these drives are representative then 75%read/25%write. And Hitachi is saying they are rated for 2.75 Petabytes over 5 years?
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even lowly sata SSD drives slap spinners around for any duty. Spinners are great for content storage for the price since you don't really need high throughput.
 
sdifox said:
db work is actually mostly read... in fact most db are WORM as well.
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Depends on the application. I installed a firewall monitoring/traffic analysis application that used MySQL DB and my MX300 750GB SSD lost 3% of its life in a week or two. Freaked me out and immediately uninstalled that crap. SSD still at 93% after 7 years thanks to that shock and subsequent careful management of unnecessary writes. (I don't mind stuff outliving me).
 
igor_kavinski said:
Depends on the application. I installed a firewall monitoring/traffic analysis application that used MySQL DB and my MX300 750GB SSD lost 3% of its life in a week or two. Freaked me out and immediately uninstalled that crap. SSD still at 93% after 7 years thanks to that shock and subsequent careful management of unnecessary writes. (I don't mind stuff outliving me).
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how? 750GB with 220TB of endurance means you can overwrite the whole drive 293 times... crappy program will kill any hardware.

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sdifox said:
even lowly sata SSD drives slap spinners around for any duty. Spinners are great for content storage for the price since you don't really need high throughput.
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igor_kavinski said:
Where do they say that?
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Just a quick calculation, the drives are rated for 550TB/year and Hitachi gives a 5 year warranty. So they are guaranteeing that much data. Now whether that is true or not or just marketing who knows. You would have to really work at it to read/write that much data. These drives only have 5TB total in 5 years.
 
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