Somebody forgot to tell Joe this wasn't a town hall

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
If illegals are not kicked out of the country, in mass, then they will undoubtedly benefit from our health care. Why wouldn?t they?

If people like yourself are not exported to the North Pole your nation is in deep shit.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Engineer
This has done nothing but help Obama and the Dems on this issue.

According to Miller's site, ActBlue.com, Miller has raised over $300,000 since Thursday afternoon. Almost half of the money has come from readers of the progressive blog Daily Kos, who created a fundraising page called "Defeating the man who yelled 'liar' at Obama."

Actually, are no liberals here disturbed about the future of this country when people from California, Oregon, Washington, etc. are able to greatly influence a congressional race in South Carolina?

It goes both ways, just because you libs hate conservatives, doesn't make that right, because there will be people across the country also contributing to Republican campaigns out of their districts. :roll:

Are you suggesting we limit campaign donations over state lines? That's a pretty big restriction on free speech, but if you're down with restricting monetary expressions of free speech I can send you a whole pile of legislation for campaign finance reform that I'm sure you'll want to endorse.

It's not a restriction on free speech at all, they can donate however much they want to their representative. A congressman is in place to represent his district, not another district :roll:

So you're saying you want to restrict their right to speak to other people's representatives, but it's not a restriction on speech because they can talk to someone else? You're going to have to explain that one.

 

[Budmantom]

All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

 

[DealMonkey]

A couple of interesting points I just came across with regards to HR 3200. Note that the Obama was referring to his own plan and the White House has since posted a 2-1/2 page legislative outline on their web site last night:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/plan/

Anyway, with regards to HR 3200, which will undoubtedly go through changes and amendments during the legislative process, already specifies that the Health Commissioner is instructed by law to have a process in place that establishes immigration before giving subsidies. In fact the CRS report already mentions this:

how will the government make sure that subsidies don't go to illegal immigrants? The mechanism is left entirely up to the Health Commissioner, who is instructed by law that he or must have some process to establish immigration status before giving subsidies. Sec. 241(b)(1), pg 130 : ?the Commissioner shall establish a process whereby, on the basis of information otherwise available, individuals may be deemed to be affordable credit eligible individuals."

That ?shall? is key. Read it for yourself:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/R40773.pdf

Interestingly, Reagan, the demi-god of Conservative "values" himself, signed into law an act that allows illegal immigrants to be eligible for emergency care:

Illegal immigrants are already eligible for emergency care through the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, signed by President Reagan in 1986. This emergency care is often paid for by Emergency Medicaid, private insurance if the patients have it, out-of-pocket, or it's written off as bad debt or charity care by the hospital.

http://tinyurl.com/o4yqww

So it seems, conservatives have Reagan to blame for giving free medical care to illegal immigrants. I'm sure I'll hear a chorus of conservatives condemning Reagan for this act, ohhhh, about the same time pigs fly out of Congressman Joe's ass.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

You lie!

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

Negative.

He is wrong and he behaved like an ignorant oaf.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Interestingly, Reagan, the demi-god of Conservative "values" himself, signed into law an act that allows illegal immigrants to be eligible for emergency care:

Illegal immigrants are already eligible for emergency care through the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, signed by President Reagan in 1986. This emergency care is often paid for by Emergency Medicaid, private insurance if the patients have it, out-of-pocket, or it's written off as bad debt or charity care by the hospital.

http://tinyurl.com/o4yqww

So it seems, conservatives have Reagan to blame for giving free medical care to illegal immigrants. I'm sure I'll hear a chorus of conservatives condemning Reagan for this act, ohhhh, about the same time pigs fly out of Congressman Joe's ass.

Lmao, QFI(rony).

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Interestingly, Reagan, the demi-god of Conservative "values" himself, signed into law an act that allows illegal immigrants to be eligible for emergency care:

Illegal immigrants are already eligible for emergency care through the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, signed by President Reagan in 1986. This emergency care is often paid for by Emergency Medicaid, private insurance if the patients have it, out-of-pocket, or it's written off as bad debt or charity care by the hospital.

http://tinyurl.com/o4yqww

So it seems, conservatives have Reagan to blame for giving free medical care to illegal immigrants. I'm sure I'll hear a chorus of conservatives condemning Reagan for this act, ohhhh, about the same time pigs fly out of Congressman Joe's ass.

Lmao, QFI(rony).

I don't want to score political points for that - I want to say it was the right thing to do. Good for Reagan for that issue.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Budmantom
All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

You lie!

Sorry, that was a spontaneous outburst, and I apologize. My party leaders would like me to publicly say that I was not thinking clearly when I said that, and I have been told to contact the Budmantom headquarters to apologize for my lack of decorum.

(Off the record though, I totally meant it.)

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Budmantom
All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

You lie!

Sorry, that was a spontaneous outburst, and I apologize. My party leaders would like me to publicly say that I was not thinking clearly when I said that, and I have been told to contact the Budmantom headquarters to apologize for my lack of decorum.

(Off the record though, I totally meant it.)

:laugh:

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Budmantom
All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

You lie!

Sorry, that was a spontaneous outburst, and I apologize. My party leaders would like me to publicly say that I was not thinking clearly when I said that, and I have been told to contact the Budmantom headquarters to apologize for my lack of decorum.

(Off the record though, I totally meant it.)

:laugh:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
A couple of interesting points I just came across with regards to HR 3200. Note that the Obama was referring to his own plan and the White House has since posted a 2-1/2 page legislative outline on their web site last night:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/plan/

Anyway, with regards to HR 3200, which will undoubtedly go through changes and amendments during the legislative process, already specifies that the Health Commissioner is instructed by law to have a process in place that establishes immigration before giving subsidies. In fact the CRS report already mentions this:

how will the government make sure that subsidies don't go to illegal immigrants? The mechanism is left entirely up to the Health Commissioner, who is instructed by law that he or must have some process to establish immigration status before giving subsidies. Sec. 241(b)(1), pg 130 : ?the Commissioner shall establish a process whereby, on the basis of information otherwise available, individuals may be deemed to be affordable credit eligible individuals."

That ?shall? is key. Read it for yourself:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/R40773.pdf

Interestingly, Reagan, the demi-god of Conservative "values" himself, signed into law an act that allows illegal immigrants to be eligible for emergency care:

Illegal immigrants are already eligible for emergency care through the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, signed by President Reagan in 1986. This emergency care is often paid for by Emergency Medicaid, private insurance if the patients have it, out-of-pocket, or it's written off as bad debt or charity care by the hospital.

http://tinyurl.com/o4yqww

So it seems, conservatives have Reagan to blame for giving free medical care to illegal immigrants. I'm sure I'll hear a chorus of conservatives condemning Reagan for this act, ohhhh, about the same time pigs fly out of Congressman Joe's ass.

oh FFS...you mean to tell me Regan is a SOCIALIST COMMIE TOO!!!!??!!

/faint

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
All Joe was doing was interject a little bit of truth..... Obama and the Dem's and the Republicans will have none of it.

Really, would you kindly tell me what truth he interjected that was not obvious, dealt with and that actually opposed anything what so ever?

Thanks.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Joe Wilson has accepted $244,196 from health care industry lobbyists.

All comes down to $$$.

Yes indeed

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: sportage
I love this...
So lets add up.
So far republicans have:
Sarah palin
Joe Wilson
Fox News
Rush

hehehehehe

What happened to Joe the plumber?

He's Palin's VP pick

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
If illegals are not kicked out of the country, in mass, then they will undoubtedly benefit from our health care. Why wouldn?t they?

Because the costs of your proposed immigration enforcement plan would easily exceed whatever benefits illegal immigrants would likely get from leeching illegally of our health care system.

Just stop and think about it for a moment. We don't even know how many illegals are in this country. Supposedly somewhere between 12 and 20 million. I think even more, but let's suppose the low end of 'only' 12 million. Now what you are talking about is rounding up, incarcerating, and deporting 12 million people at a minimum. And then keeping them out. And all the while somehow not infringing on the rights of those people who are here legally, and I doubt that could possibly happen without a national ID card system and probably microchipping (and then it would still happen, now wouldn't it?).

I mean, seriously, stop and think about the implications of what you're proposing. You claim to be a believer in small govt, and so am I. Now... does that sound like something a small govt could do? Fsck no. It would take the nastiest most expensive and draconian big govt that could possibly be imagined.

So pick your battles wisely, eh?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?

February 2005, look it up. They booed and heckled.

But but that was Bush and his evil cabal of liars and traitors....it is justified to heckle him and his mercinaries....

And really, who remembers that anyway...so of course this type of behavior has never happened before and all those who disagree with the messiah should be silent, shut their faces and bow down to his majesty.

 

[seemingly random]

Republicans. lol - especially south carolina republicans. I'm sure gonna miss 'em when they're extinct.

 

[Kadarin]

Stay classy, GOP! lol

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Schmide
An Appeal to Common Practice (fallacy) is kind of a lame justification for this.

There is zero justification for this. I don't care if booing is standard fare or if throwing bricks is. If someone else has the floor, you sit still like a good little boy and wait your turn. The idiot with the sign in his lap was just as childish.

For some reason, I can't picture you as sitting still like a good little boy. I can only picture you as alternating between a pissy little boy - stamping your feet and pouting, and a bully - attempting to act threatening and intimidating with a loud booming voice.

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

That wasn't heckling. That was shoe throwing. Big difference.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
Republicans. lol - especially south carolina republicans. I'm sure gonna miss 'em when they're extinct.

I'm a democrat, but I have to say I kind of respect Lindsey Graham. I may not agree with 95% of his policies, but he's pretty respectful guy and generally doesn't tote the tinfoil talking points. Did anyone see the start to clap then rub hands brush off when the president was comparing the public option to state run colleges? It was just like waving to someone then adjusting your hair.

 

[JSt0rm]

I was listening to npr on the way home. I guess his democratic rival's campaign contributions have spiked like crazy.

http://www.npr.org/templates/s....php?storyId=112725021

 

[Starbuck1975]

What an idiot. It doesn't matter which party fired the first volley in disrespecting a sitting President during a speech. His comment is a distraction that, if anything, only helped to improve public perception of Obama's speech. Kind of like how the Hillary bots actually worked against and helped Obama during the primary.

The Republicans could have sat back and watched the far left and moderate Democrats continue to undermine one another. If anything, he has now given the Democrats reason to unify behind their President.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: seemingly random
Republicans. lol - especially south carolina republicans. I'm sure gonna miss 'em when they're extinct.

I'm a democrat, but I have to say I kind of respect Lindsey Graham. I may not agree with 95% of his policies, but he's pretty respectful guy and generally doesn't tote the tinfoil talking points. Did anyone see the start to clap then rub hands brush off when the president was comparing the public option to state run colleges? It was just like waving to someone then adjusting your hair.

I know what you mean about appearances. I always thought colin powell was an upstanding guy. Imagine my surprise when he lied to the entire planet at the united nations a few years ago - "for the good of the team." And even recently, his appearances portray him as exuding common sense and confidence. You just can never tell...

The hand magic was pretty damn funny. So smooth ... not. The republican leaders, cantor and boehner, looked like scolded, pouting kids.

One thing I appreciate about the current crop of republicans is that they are saving everyone work by self-destructing all by themselves. Priceless.