Some Trump Supporters Finally Realize That Repealing ObamaCrare will affect them

[cubby1223]

You know how your elections work. If you didn't vote for Clinton you helped put him in office.

Thats a bitch eh?

And in addition, what many fail to realize, if your actions make people less favorable to your side, then you are also helping put the other guy into office.

 

[dank69]

Oh of course, but I didn't work to get him elected by selecting him or putting up the second most unpopular choice since data was recorded. I'm stuck but I don't have to wonder if I helped put him in office. There's some comfort there. Looking at how Trump functions though I doubt he'll be around all that long. I don't think he knows boundries including legal ones.

If the Dems had selected Bernie he would have been the second most unpopular candidate by the time the election rolled around.

 

[Jhhnn]

And in addition, what many fail to realize, if your actions make people less favorable to your side, then you are also helping put the other guy into office.

Nice responsibility shifting. Trump is your voice. Only he can fix it. You fell for it.

You didn't answer my question about Trump's plan dumping millions of people who need subsidies to afford health insurance, either.

But FYGM anyway, right?

 

[cubby1223]

Nope. Fuck them. Right now their brains are working overtime to figure out how to blame liberals. Fuck them all.

What the lefties of this forum will never understand, is many people, including myself, want parity between the parties, not too much Republican, not too much Democrat. The Democrats f'd up their party over the last 8 years. Democrats and the left decided to declare wide percentages of the country as deplorables not worth reaching out to, because they felt their voting base was secure enough to win. That attitude failed Democrats. And since the election, the attitude is not showing any signs of correction, but rather Dems and the left are doubling down.

We have Trump for the next 4 years, and a Republican congress for at least the first two. Just a fact. No blame, just observing reality.

 

[Fingolfin269]

You know how your elections work. If you didn't vote for Clinton you helped put him in office.

Thats a bitch eh?

I get the sentiment. But the fact is more people voted for Clinton than Trump and he still won. So this is one of those years where telling someone their vote makes a difference might not be the strongest message.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the Dems had selected Bernie he would have been the second most unpopular candidate by the time the election rolled around.

I followed the realclearpolitics site for a long time early on and everyone beat Hillary except Trump. Bernie? Slaughtered Trump and most Republicans even when it was clear Bernie couldn't beat Hillary. He was hugely popular and Hillary was not. But that's not what the Dems paid attention to, who could win and insisted Hillary was going to win and screw everyone else.

But it doesn't matter now. Trump is President at least for the time being.

 

[cubby1223]

Nice responsibility shifting. Trump is your voice. Only he can fix it. You fell for it.

You didn't answer my question about Trump's plan dumping millions of people who need subsidies to afford health insurance, either.

But FYGM anyway, right?

I didn't answer your question because I didn't read your prior post. You're not as important to me as you think you are

Your first line highlights why you are not important to me. Your perspective does not match reality, and given how many times you've had things explained to you, you remain stuck in your ways.

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't answer your question because I didn't read your prior post. You're not as important to me as you think you are

Your first line highlights why you are not important to me. Your perspective does not match reality, and given how many times you've had things explained to you, you remain stuck in your ways.

So that's the double dodge, obviously.

 

[MajinCry]

I didn't answer your question because I didn't read your prior post. You're not as important to me as you think you are

If it was Blue Max, fair enough. But Jhhnn? Come on. Why are you on a forum and not TheDonald?

 

[vampirefo]

Yep, Trump will fix it,

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[dank69]

I followed the realclearpolitics site for a long time early on and everyone beat Hillary except Trump. Bernie? Slaughtered Trump and most Republicans even when it was clear Bernie couldn't beat Hillary. He was hugely popular and Hillary was not. But that's not what the Dems paid attention to, who could win and insisted Hillary was going to win and screw everyone else.

But it doesn't matter now. Trump is President at least for the time being.

The point is that had he been nominated, he would have been vilified. GOP never considered him a threat so they never really focused their efforts on tearing him down. All that would have changed the day he received the nomination. Conservative opinion of any liberal is tightly correlated with how much of a threat they are. When Obama won conservatives were concern trolling that we should have elected Hillary. Bill Clinton was the favorite recent ex-president of many conservatives right up until it was clear Hillary was going to be the nominee. Biden was a Dan Quayle style buffoon for most of hos career. Now that he isn't a threat suddenly conservatives have nothing but respect for him.

 

[vampirefo]

Once Trump gets rid of all the nonsense Obama did, America will be great again.

 

[agent00f]

Thanks for accuracy. Various ideas were kicked around, the purpose of which was to help block Hillary. In the end none were adopted.

A lot of people are saying in effect that the Republicans oppose something they want. More accurately it's that they oppose something put forward over two decades ago, but times change.

What really matters today is how stupid this approach is. I dislike the ACA but like any program people become dependent on it. It took a long time to get working and it will take a long time for a replacement. In the meantime anything be it better or worse doesn't matter. People are stuck. Not good.

Shouldn't come as any surprise that the resident "independent" will reliably defend his own whatever it takes. Would you say that lack of integrity is more of a liberal or conservative trait?

 

[Sunburn74]

Personally I'm not sure sanders could have won the whole thing but certainly if he had been on the ticket instead of Tim Kaine (who's a nice enough guy but totally dead weight politically) we'd had a Democratic presiden right now. Sanders probably would have e siphoned off a few votes from Johnson and Stein and given the margins in Florida, NC, and all the Midwestern states trump won by, with just a few votes moving away from those third parties Hillary would have won. If Johnson and Stein were really interested in their policies it's clear the best thing to do is to hold out and negotiate for your policies to be included by the incoming president and then throw all your voters in their favor.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The point is that had he been nominated, he would have been vilified. GOP never considered him a threat so they never really focused their efforts on tearing him down. All that would have changed the day he received the nomination. Conservative opinion of any liberal is tightly correlated with how much of a threat they are. When Obama won conservatives were concern trolling that we should have elected Hillary. Bill Clinton was the favorite recent ex-president of many conservatives right up until it was clear Hillary was going to be the nominee. Biden was a Dan Quayle style buffoon for most of hos career. Now that he isn't a threat suddenly conservatives have nothing but respect for him.

If the Dems had selected Bernie he would have been the second most unpopular candidate by the time the election rolled around.

Only among Republicans. Hillary was unpopular out of the gate and lost in most matchups. Bernie lost to one or two Reps, and it was never Trump. He came across as human, Hillary a stiff pandering puppet and Trump as a crazy loon. People picked all but the first.

 

[manly]

One thing I hope that Trump does is reform welfare to kick life long able bodied people off it and make them go to work to earn their money like the rest of the population does.

Common myths.
http://mashable.com/2015/07/27/welfare-myths-debunked/

Bill Clinton already "reformed" welfare (TANF) to have a lifetime 5 year cap (I believe passed during his first administration).

Secondly, a clear majority of those on welfare actually do have a job.

 

[agent00f]

Only among Republicans. Hillary was unpopular out of the gate and lost in most matchups. Bernie lost to one or two Reps, and it was never Trump. He came across as human, Hillary a stiff pandering puppet and Trump as a crazy loon. People picked all but the first.

It's really quiet hilarious how much conservatives are trying to blame Trump, or anything really, on Clinton/democrats.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It still requires congress to change the law

And just a few days ago:

"Congress has set the stage for repeal of the Affordable Care Act, approving a preliminary measure that will allow Republicans to dismantle Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law.

The legislation passed in the House of Representatives 227-198, with nine Republicans joining a united Democratic party in voting against. The narrowly Senate passed the same budget measure in the early hours of Thursday morning.

“This is a critical first step toward delivering relief to Americans who are struggling under this law,” said the House speaker, Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, in a rare floor speech.

The move allows Republicans to use a procedure known as “budget reconciliation” to tear up key provisions of the law. Republican leaders have said they intend to “repeal” and “replace” Obamacare simultaneously to avoid disruptions in healthcare coverage, but they have yet to agree on a replacement plan"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/13/congress-house-affordable-care-act-obamacare-repeal

But hey, there is absolutely no way that we could have any idea what Trump and the Republican congress might do because none of them have any history that we can look at. Right?

 

[momeNt]

If Trump doesn't sign something into law that is objectively better, in line with his own statements on insurance. I predict that will cause a lot of protests and possible violence, and his support will crumble. Still waiting to see a Trump approved bill, of which nothing that has come forward is, to my knowledge.

 

[agent00f]

If Trump doesn't sign something into law that is objectively better, in line with his own statements on insurance. I predict that will cause a lot of protests and possible violence, and his support will crumble. Still waiting to see a Trump approved bill, of which nothing that has come forward is, to my knowledge.

This sort of assumption only works on people with some integrity or dignity.

 

[desura]

Yeah, Jhnnn and I have this running argument about messaging. The fact that Clinton chose so much to emphasize multiculturalism in her messaging meant that she didn't properly make efforts to message the people who by all rights should prefer the Democrats for their domestic policies. Most people are stupid, frankly, so it is the responsibility of the campaign to get the messaging right. Clinton screwed up big time.

 

[IronWing]

everyone who voted for trump was duped. Thats a lot of people.

Not really. The pillars of the Republican Party are greed and mean-spirited stupidity. The pendulum has swung to the mean-spirited stupidity wing of the party. Trump voters knew what they were doing.

 

[Ns1]

this would be hilarious if it weren't so fucking sad.

 

[theeedude]

I know some innocent people who have nothing to do with Trump but will likely lose their insurance soon. No time for losers who voted for him. They should suffer in silence and not bother the rest of us with their problems.