Some Trump Supporters Finally Realize That Repealing ObamaCrare will affect them

[Jhhnn]

Trump threw the equivalent of a Variable Rate Mortgage at the Electorate and some elected him.

No-down, no-doc 80/20 package at a super low introductory rate. Even if the payments are more than you can afford in the long run you can sell for a big profit in 6 months or a year.

It's all possible because of creative financial products based on gaussian cupola models of risk that are part of your 401K portfolio.

We can surely bring back those good times with some investor class tax cuts, financial deregulation & a completely clueless Ben Carson as HUD secretary.

 

[senseamp]

I want to see these idiots get six figure medical bills with no insurance and the precious moment they realize they bancrupted their families through their own votes.

 

[ivwshane]

While it's amusing to see such ignorance on display, I generally am concerned for people's fates.

People in my family voted for Trump for a variety of reasons. I don't want to see them hurt, fools may they be.

There are a still a whole swath of people who are not whole, or entering retirement with very little savings and shaky health situations. SS has not robust increases in the last several years.

You can explain inflation is low due to the recession and COLAs will be low, plus actually the GOP wants chained CPIs to lower payouts.....

.... But they don't hear that. It's insanely frustrating, but the lies are very effective.

Many believed Trump when he said he would "take care of them", lower all these costs, and no one would lose anything.

The con works because people want to believe the lies, and very few bother to pay attn to the details or understand the arithmetic.

But this is not the GOP platform. This is not what they stand for, Trump's plans don't add up, and it will be miraculous to turn his party truly into a socialist people's party.

More than likely there will a lot of pieces to clean up when the con gets revealed and people realize they won't " be taken care of." Until then it's fingers in the ears.

The con works because no matter what the outcome, people like you will be there to coddle them and tell them you'll take care of them.

We call those kind of people enablers, you are an enabler.

 

[zinfamous]

The con works because no matter what the outcome, people like you will be there to coddle them and tell them you'll take care of them.

We call those kind of people enablers, you are an enabler.

so, basically, when republicans accuse democrats of being pussies for having too much empathy for the downtrodden by taking care of such people despite suffering the results of their own mistakes--rather than let the impersonal natural laws of wonderful capitalism dash their hopes and strip their flesh--republicans are essentially angry that democrats have the temerity to hoist up the majority of uninformed republicans that perpetually suffer under their own stupid decisions?

That's perverse!

At some point, I guess you do have to let the republicans suffer their own failures. Otherwise, they never learn, right? Hahha, who am I kidding. They will continue to be duped either way.

 

[Jhhnn]

The con works because no matter what the outcome, people like you will be there to coddle them and tell them you'll take care of them.

We call those kind of people enablers, you are an enabler.

Thinking like a social darwinist conservative, huh?

 

[Sunburn74]

so, basically, when republicans accuse democrats of being pussies for having too much empathy for the downtrodden by taking care of such people despite suffering the results of their own mistakes--rather than let the impersonal natural laws of wonderful capitalism dash their hopes and strip their flesh--republicans are essentially angry that democrats have the temerity to hoist up the majority of uninformed republicans that perpetually suffer under their own stupid decisions?

That's perverse!

At some point, I guess you do have to let the republicans suffer their own failures. Otherwise, they never learn, right? Hahha, who am I kidding. They will continue to be duped either way.

Haha. Excellent post

Like obama said, elections have consequences. Hopefully this most recent will be the death of the GOP after most people begin to realize the absolute carnage they are about to wreak on the moral, financial, and social fabric of America.

Let's take America back again! Back to the 30s

 

[WelshBloke]

Can't go that far. They were foolish but even so people are. Doesn't mean I hate them to the point I want to see harm come their way.

Eventually you have to let people own the consequences of their actions.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Eventually you have to let people own the consequences of their actions.

That's true but do the happy dance?

 

[FIVR]

Nobody learns if nobody dies. That's the cold, hard truth of politics. And the more who die, the more people learn.

Ask Russia. They had the largest share of deaths in WWII, and to this day they have constrained their military adventures to within the borders of the (former) soviet states. Russia has learned from losing tens of millions of citizens, what that can do. If WWII along with famines and purges hadn't caused so many deaths the USSR would've absolutely crushed the US in economic competition. We benefited immensely from our relative lack of heavy losses in that war.

So, taking that into account, expect a serious disaster causing tens of thousands if not more American deaths from Trump. He will either start a big war, or start several smaller wars, or cause some domestic conflict, or cause a healthcare disaster... or something. He's too much of a crazy F-up to not cause such problems. We can only pray that he doesn't get us into some conflict that becomes "too big to fail" like vietnam and we spend a decade on it, and it provides political cover for who knows what.

 

[WelshBloke]

That's true but do the happy dance?

Happy dance, sad dance. Is either going to treat someone's cancer when they get refused coverage?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Good to see some on the left are no different than those on the right they hate so much. Guess moonie was right on this subject.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Didn't P.T. Barnum warn us about people like him?

 

[ivwshane]

so, basically, when republicans accuse democrats of being pussies for having too much empathy for the downtrodden by taking care of such people despite suffering the results of their own mistakes--rather than let the impersonal natural laws of wonderful capitalism dash their hopes and strip their flesh--republicans are essentially angry that democrats have the temerity to hoist up the majority of uninformed republicans that perpetually suffer under their own stupid decisions?

That's perverse!

At some point, I guess you do have to let the republicans suffer their own failures. Otherwise, they never learn, right? Hahha, who am I kidding. They will continue to be duped either way.

If its fucked up but you can't want something more than they want it.

 

[ivwshane]

Thinking like a social darwinist conservative, huh?

You can call it whatever you want but the reality is that we've had almost forty years of bullshit bought and supported by the same group of people complaining about the same shit. Doing the same thing as always and expecting different results is crazy talk.
I've watched you for several years do nothing but complain about the right and the same old policies, I would think you of all people would understand that enough is enough.

Do you think things will magically change because you keep coddling people? It hasn't worked yet and its only gotten worse.

 

[WelshBloke]

Good to see some on the left are no different than those on the right they hate so much. Guess moonie was right on this subject.

There's something wrong with being happy that people got what they wanted?

 

[zinfamous]

That's true but do the happy dance?

Well I mean, not to their faces, right?

I'm southern, so I'll just do the sad, concerned nod when observing such misfortune, "bless their hearts..." and move on.

 

[zinfamous]

There's something wrong with being happy that people got what they wanted?

:beer:

 

[zinfamous]

Good to see some on the left are no different than those on the right they hate so much. Guess moonie was right on this subject.

already working out how not to own this one? I see the gears turning. Soon enough, lack of honest liberal empathy for conservative misery is going to see you blaming liberals for Trump.

Book it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

There's something wrong with being happy that people got what they wanted?

Are you sure that the pre-existing condition coverage or children up to 26 is going away or is that what you're hoping will change?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

already working out how not to own this one? I see the gears turning. Soon enough, lack of honest liberal empathy for conservative misery is going to see you blaming liberals for Trump.

Book it.

Not going to blame anyone until I see what really changes unlike what you guys are hoping will change.

 

[zinfamous]

Are you sure that the pre-existing condition coverage or children up to 26 is going away or is that what you're hoping will change?

Trump has "promised" that it won't, but of course for anyone paying attention, you know that a Trump promise is worth.

Of course I hope if there is an actual replacement, that it is better, and that it works for a greater number of people. But you can't honestly pretend that 8 and more years of Republicans doing absolutely nothing and putting forth precisely zero plans of their own regarding the ACA never happened.

Where is their plan? What is it? No one knows. No one knows anything. They obviously don't know anything. Oh--Trump has a plan and it is "terrific!" OK, sure. where is it? No one has ever seen it. You can't honestly hold it against anyone for fairly accepting that the republicans have absolutely nothing to offer when it comes to affordable healthcare, considering 4 (well, we can actually go all the way back to Truman!, honestly) successive decades of thwarting every single attempt to enact a national, effective healthcare system.

Why is it that you aren't cynical about a republican solution? Is it that easy to deny what is the undeniable reality of 7 decades of uninterrupted Republican antagonism against healthcare?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Happy dance, sad dance. Is either going to treat someone's cancer when they get refused coverage?

That wasn't the point.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well I mean, not to their faces, right?

I'm southern, so I'll just do the sad, concerned nod when observing such misfortune, "bless their hearts..." and move on.

Oh man, and when the women get in on it? <shudder>

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Trump has "promised" that it won't, but of course for anyone paying attention, you know that a Trump promise is worth.

Of course I hope if there is an actual replacement, that it is better, and that it works for a greater number of people. But you can't honestly pretend that 8 and more years of Republicans doing absolutely nothing and putting forth precisely zero plans of their own regarding the ACA never happened.

Where is their plan? What is it? No one knows. No one knows anything. They obviously don't know anything. Oh--Trump has a plan and it is "terrific!" OK, sure. where is it? No one has ever seen it. You can't honestly hold it against anyone for fairly accepting that the republicans have absolutely nothing to offer when it comes to affordable healthcare, considering 4 (well, we can actually go all the way back to Truman!, honestly) successive decades of thwarting every single attempt to enact a national, effective healthcare system.

Why is it that you aren't cynical about a republican solution? Is it that easy to deny what is the undeniable reality of 7 decades of uninterrupted Republican antagonism against healthcare?

I certainly hope any replacement is an improvement. I have written my Congressman and Senators letting them know they need to ensure that coverage does not change when/if they actually replace the ACA. As well as letting them know they would be better off tweaking the current law to reduce premiums/copays/deductibles.

 

[cubby1223]

Where is their plan? What is it? No one knows. No one knows anything.

Takes about two seconds of googl'ing

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

And instead of the vague generalities other candidates have had at other times, this has 7 bullet-pointed actionable items.

You can begin arguing the effectiveness of them - but to say no one knows of any plan, you're just an angry partisan hack like everyone else