Some states start making the rescued pay

[sourn]

That's what taxes are for. We shouldn't be charged shit, and yes that includes stupid morons who should've known better.

If these idiots in charge would quit wasting tax money on stupid shit (and that goes for all levels) they would have plenty of cash to spare.

How about this instead of paying taxes, I save up the money I would've had to paid. And when shit finally happens were for some reason I do need emergency help then I'll pay it. I bet you I come out way the fuck ahead.

 

[Incorruptible]

One of the very few threads where I agree with Incorruptible. Rescues can take tremendous public resources and in addition rescuers frequently risk their own lives and limbs. Also in this day of cellphones and self-centered SOBs, many, many places get 911 calls to "rescue" hikers that have stayed out on the trail too late and missed dinner

I am right on all the issues but I am glad to see that you are taking small steps. Hopefully you will come around and agree on other issues.

 

[Thump553]

I am right on all the issues but I am glad to see that you are taking small steps. Hopefully you will come around and agree on other issues.

Please don't post things like that when I am consuming beverages. My keyboard and monitor are very angry with you.

 

[EagleKeeper]

That's what taxes are for. We shouldn't be charged shit, and yes that includes stupid morons who should've known better.

If these idiots in charge would quit wasting tax money on stupid shit (and that goes for all levels) they would have plenty of cash to spare.

How about this instead of paying taxes, I save up the money I would've had to paid. And when shit finally happens were for some reason I do need emergency help then I'll pay it. I bet you I come out way the fuck ahead.

How do you intend on allocating your taxes?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Where was the gravel at the end

• On the road
• Off of the shoulder
• Piled up on the shoulder

Any of those three could require a road crew to come and repair the area for safe travel.

As you are aware tickets can be disputed; did you?

Did you even ask why the insurance rates jumped so high?

If you want to play the sympathy factor; you need to back it up.

Nothing that would require road crew.
Your evaluation - with pics, there is no way of knowing.

This was to the left of the inside lane of traffic.
So on the roadway itself - safety hazard

I'm in Illinois, I wasn't in any position to go back to Florida to dispute the tickets.
Depending on the cost and the value of your time; One can do a written appeal

Yes, the Insurance got notification of both Florida tickets and ticket in Georgia.
So multiple tickets in a couple of days

Looks like the insurance company took at look at your current driving record and decided you had become a big risk

 

[Ausm]

How do you intend on allocating your taxes?

Don't Righties expect Services without paying any Taxes at all?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Don't Righties expect Services without paying any Taxes at all?

No; they expect to have services that are needed and allocate the taxes needed to pay for them.

No freeloading or featherbedding to pay for political IOUs.

Regretfully, many politicians act like Democrats in that regard.

 

[TheVrolok]

I agree particularly for recklessness, gross negligence, etc. But disagree on an across-the-board rule that all rescues result in $$. Nor do I feel the fines should necessarily be the total cost of the rescue in many cases; merely enough to serve as a deterrent to people doing... stupid things. But, not so much that people are willing to push it a little longer, before giving up and requesting help. The longer people wait, in some situations, the more danger it puts rescuers in.

As an avid outdoorsman and trained first responder I do not agree with this. First, it is not your average cop or firefighter who has to deal with these types of emergencies. It is a ranger or a SAR volunteer who has made the decision to be responsible for helping people when they get in trouble while enjoying the outdoors. They know what they signed up for.

Second, human factors are usually the most important in emergencies. It's already difficult to get people to call for help when they need it (fear of embarrassment etc.) to add unknown costs created a more dangerous situation in which people will delay calling for help. If I'm stuck in a canyon and my buddy has a broken leg, yea I'm going to be worried how much a helicopter costs to pick him up. Meanwhile he could be bleeding out

Costs for these types of rescues should be distributed up front. For example there is a $50 climbing fee for Mt. Rainier. All climbers pay it and that goes to the SAR fund for the rare helicopter rescue and the rangers' salaries.

Notice the opposition comes from volunteer rescue organizations. People join these because they understand the risks of their sports and want to give back by helping others who may be in need. They do not want people to be charged on their behalf, that defeats the purpose

These basically sum it up for me. Across the board charges for someone in an emergency situation to be rescued seems like a pretty poor idea to me.

 

[Incorruptible]

Please don't post things like that when I am consuming beverages. My keyboard and monitor are very angry with you.

Good, Maybe you will learn a lesson. You agreed with me which is a small step and you need to realize I am right on the other issues as well.

 

[Ausm]

No; they expect to have services that are needed and allocate the taxes needed to pay for them.

No freeloading or featherbedding to pay for political IOUs.

Regretfully, many politicians act like Democrats in that regard.

I think the BIGGEST fucking freeloaders we have is Congress PERIOD no matter what Political stripe you are.

 

[Matt1970]

We already pay big $$$ for an ambulance so what's the difference?