Some clichés are true!

[cytg111]

I was asked if I was being sarcastic about Jordan Peterson by someone so self righteous that he just had to imply that I must be, so sure is he about Peterson that when I offered a link in good faith that expressed a different point of view he claimed to he already possessed all the evidence he needed based on a made up logical stupidity. But of course, I am the one who is arrogant, not the folk so full of themselves they can’t look at a third party opinion. And then you come along self righteously claiming that pointing it out is self righteous bull shit. Can I assume you didn’t read the link either, that you are not just another of the many on the left whose opinions of Peterson were formed not by familiarity with him expressing himself, but the opinions of him from other people?

You and Peterson are nothing alike. Nothing in common. No shared experience. No parallels. Get over him, he is just not into you.
Sigh. Vanity. My favorite sin.

 

[Jaskalas]

We should be pumping money into something like Americore and other non-military civil service programs and actively trying to recruit kids like this before the racist fucktards do.
...
Either we give them a path toward self fulfillment or someone else will give them a path toward hate.

That is actually a very good idea. Difficult to implement in practice, but ultimately some sort of proper structure and mobilization towards a good and common purpose can benefit minds of the... youth. And that word applies here because he wouldn't have been a 27 year old doing this crap, if he had been an 18-21 year old with a different structure in their life... other than the rot passing for American free-dumb these days.

Our people face a deep capitalist pit of despair and emerge from it seething with hatred and venom for the "other". Their existence has been living to suffer, and this pain is what they offer to share unto the world. Some sort of intervention is going to be required if we are to avoid that pain turning fatal for a great many of us, to avoid that rot congealing into civil conflict. Could be too little too late, but your notion at least sounds promising and I cannot say that about many things these days.

 

[Moonbeam]

Fixed that for you..

You're welcome.

You didn't fix anything. You just supplied your version of going after the man holding the mirror.

 

[Moonbeam]

You and Peterson are nothing alike. Nothing in common. No shared experience. No parallels. Get over him, he is just not into you.
Sigh. Vanity. My favorite sin.

You forgot to say abracadabra. No vanity like the belief you can conjure magic. Poof, I just pulled Jordan Peterson out of my hat. Words words words. I guess a Mukkinese Battle Horn really is a common house brick.

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess on top of being a narcissist I'm also a hero and a miner for a heart of gold.


[Verse]
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell? Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?
Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change? Did you exchange
A walk-on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

[Acoustic Guitar Solo]

[Chorus]
How I wish, how I wish you were here
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl year after year
Running over the same old ground, what have we found?
The same old fears, wish you were here

 

[Viper1j]

You didn't fix anything. You just supplied your version of going after the man holding the mirror.

Mirrors don't blow people's arms off. Or put big holes in heads.

Nobody cares about mirrors.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I guess on top of being a narcissist I'm also a hero and a miner for a heart of gold.


[Verse]
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell? Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?
Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change? Did you exchange
A walk-on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

[Acoustic Guitar Solo]

[Chorus]
How I wish, how I wish you were here
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl year after year
Running over the same old ground, what have we found?
The same old fears, wish you were here

I think it’s interesting you used those lyrics. You don’t present yourself as one of those fish. You present yourself as the single person minding the fish. You know, the person feeding them, cleaning them, and only that person *really* knows the truth.

again, not factual truth, but that truthy truth.

 

[cytg111]

You forgot to say abracadabra. No vanity like the belief you can conjure magic. Poof, I just pulled Jordan Peterson out of my hat. Words words words. I guess a Mukkinese Battle Horn really is a common house brick.

Whats the culprit of a fanatic?

 

[Moonbeam]

I think it’s interesting you used those lyrics. You don’t present yourself as one of those fish. You present yourself as the single person minding the fish. You know, the person feeding them, cleaning them, and only that person *really* knows the truth.

again, not factual truth, but that truthy truth.

These words come from how you unconsciously feel, that for someone to express in words your inner suffering is done to rub your nose in it, to humiliate you for your weakness. I offered up that song because in it I feel that deep sadness for those in that state because I have felt that pain. I do not want to make you hurt, I know that hurt, but I also know a little something about a way out. I aim to shake your faith in what I see as what we unconsciously believe. I am one of the fish and you are the other, but not on the same time line.

 

[Leeea]

unpopular take:

In Idaho, not known as the most progressive place on earth, the police arrested a bunch of criminals planning violence targeting LGBT people.


That is progress folks. Twenty years ago, that would not have happened.

America is getting better, slowly.

 

[Moonbeam]

Whats the culprit of a fanatic?

What is your question? Are you asking what is to blame for fanaticism, or what do fanatics see as the culprit? While waiting for your answer let me add there in nothing in the world you can blame for anything. Humanity is asleep, living in a dream. The need to blame, to get even for our pain, to hold a grudge, to not forgive, is why we won’t awaken.

All of that is ego need, and can be cured by the death of the ego. The trap we are in is that the ego always takes command of the effort to kill itself out of ego self protection. Truth is a paradox, a mystery, a mystical experience, a miracle, that victory is surrender to the hopelessness of all ego endeavor. To let go is to become.

 

[cytg111]

What is your question? Are you asking what is to blame for fanaticism, or what do fanatics see as the culprit? While waiting for your answer let me add there in nothing in the world you can blame for anything. Humanity is asleep, living in a dream. The need to blame, to get even for our pain, to hold a grudge, to not forgive, is why we won’t awaken.

All of that is ego need, and can be cured by the death of the ego. The trap we are in is that the ego always takes command of the effort to kill itself out of ego self protection. Truth is a paradox, a mystery, a mystical experience, a miracle, that victory is surrender to the hopelessness of all ego endeavor. To let go is to become.

And for you to realize you are not the singular unique individual with that revelation shatters your core belief system so that you fight to make it not so. Every word you speak can be spoken back to you, alas, the mirror you’re holding up shows no reflection. You are a true believer. Nothing can shake your faith in what you know to be universally true. A fanatic.

 

[ch33zw1z]

These words come from how you unconsciously feel, that for someone to express in words your inner suffering is done to rub your nose in it, to humiliate you for your weakness. I offered up that song because in it I feel that deep sadness for those in that state because I have felt that pain. I do not want to make you hurt, I know that hurt, but I also know a little something about a way out. I aim to shake your faith in what I see as what we unconsciously believe. I am one of the fish and you are the other, but not on the same time line.

Nah moonie, you're neither fish. Enlightened fish don't stay in the bowl, those diamonds in the rough get out.

 

[Moonbeam]

And for you to realize you are not the singular unique individual with that revelation shatters your core belief system so that you fight to make it not so. Every word you speak can be spoken back to you, alas, the mirror you’re holding up shows no reflection. You are a true believer. Nothing can shake your faith in what you know to be universally true. A fanatic.

Look at your sig. It says that patriotism and nationalism are an infantile disease. That was part of Einstein's core belief. He was just a fanatic who believed what he believed thinking it made him unique and there's no universal truth to any of it. right?

But Einstein knew that patriotism and nationalism are a disease not because it was what he believed, but because he didn't believe in patriotism or nationalism, that any such believe that was put in his head had long since been abandoned But patriotism and nationalism are not the only beliefs one can and should transcend. There are many more of similar stupidity, all there as a part of ego identity, to provide a sense to the ego self of ego self worth. It would seem then that the certainty I have, like Einstein, lies in the fact of having abandoned belief. You won't understand what I say unless you have faced the paradox at the root of knowing and believing. To know is to know you don't. Then you know you know but without need. Any self importance I may still have regarding our conversation changes nothing about the truth of what I have said anymore than flaws Einstein had. Patriotism and nationalism are a disease. It's easy to tell people what they believe, not so easy to tell them what they may not want to hear.

A problem we may have is that to the degree my ego is unimportant to me based on the identifications I no longer cling to, so also is your ego unimportant to me. I believe you have a true self the value of which makes your ego a joke. That self I also see as universal.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nah moonie, you're neither fish. Enlightened fish don't stay in the bowl, those diamonds in the rough get out.

When I spoke of a time line I was referring to memory. I swam in water so toxic I had no choice but to find a way out and I did. It turns out that belief, the product of thought, is the source of all shit. Thought is seeking to escape shit that is only because of that thinking. There is nothing to know so there is also no need.

I think the Yogi empties the mind via meditation by letting go of thoughts as they come as a constant practice, but something like that can happen when one faces the utter hopelessness of the situation. We think but in thought there is only prison. Face it. Die to hope. There is no exit. There is no way out of the prison. The miracle is the realization there is also no prison.

 

[cytg111]

Look at your sig. It says that patriotism and nationalism are an infantile disease. That was part of Einstein's core belief. He was just a fanatic who believed what he believed thinking it made him unique and there's no universal truth to any of it. right?

But Einstein knew that patriotism and nationalism are a disease not because it was what he believed, but because he didn't believe in patriotism or nationalism, that any such believe that was put in his head had long since been abandoned But patriotism and nationalism are not the only beliefs one can and should transcend. There are many more of similar stupidity, all there as a part of ego identity, to provide a sense to the ego self of ego self worth. It would seem then that the certainty I have, like Einstein, lies in the fact of having abandoned belief. You won't understand what I say unless you have faced the paradox at the root of knowing and believing. To know is to know you don't. Then you know you know but without need. Any self importance I may still have regarding our conversation changes nothing about the truth of what I have said anymore than flaws Einstein had. Patriotism and nationalism are a disease. It's easy to tell people what they believe, not so easy to tell them what they may not want to hear.

A problem we may have is that to the degree my ego is unimportant to me based on the identifications I no longer cling to, so also is your ego unimportant to me. I believe you have a true self the value of which makes your ego a joke. That self I also see as universal.

You can challenge everything I know, I cling to nothing, - besides the love for my children.
I can easily come up with an argument of why Einstein was wrong on that quote. Can you?

 

[Pens1566]

Now who's gonna make his hot pockets?

 

[Moonbeam]

You can challenge everything I know, I cling to nothing, - besides the love for my children.
I can easily come up with an argument of why Einstein was wrong on that quote. Can you?

Anybody can make any argument he or she might want. Can you make one you believe. I can't help but think that you quoted Einstein in your sig because you agree with the truth that lies within his comment.

In my case I came to the same conclusion that Einstein did at a very early age and also as a member of a military family. Let's just say that standing in opposition to my family's sacred beliefs, the same ones driven into me from childhood cost me rather dearly, enough, lets say, I have great sympathy for those who suffer. For my truth the coin I paid was the loss of the love and respect of all those whose love I valued. But I did not lose my love for them and was there for them to the end.

None the less I would love to hear your argument that Einstein was wrong. Make it please.

 

[Jaskalas]

unpopular take:
In Idaho, not known as the most progressive place on earth, the police arrested a bunch of criminals planning violence targeting LGBT people.

That is progress folks. Twenty years ago, that would not have happened.
America is getting better, slowly.

They gathered in Utah from multiple states, then traveled to Idaho to commit violent crimes.
That is a level of logistical organization and execution not normally seen. But the internet makes it not just possible... but also far more likely. Such organizations form around ideas... sometimes they are very bad ideas, but they are becoming more coalesced and more dangerous. More likely to form terror cells and take action as such.

I don't call this progress as our society descends into madness.

 

[Viper1j]

You didn't fix anything. You just supplied your version of going after the man holding the mirror.

Okay..

 

[Moonbeam]

Okay..
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Simple question. If the funeral picture you posted was of an innocent gun shot murder victim or perhaps your own or that of a loved one and I could have used one of my guns in some hypothetical way to prevent that death, would you be grateful for the fact that I did or would you continue to feel that the fact I was able to save that person was because I am evil for having such a firearm. A simple yes or no is all I want to know. I feel pretty confident you will not answer as you are basically, on the subject of the 2nd amendment a bot program. You can see only your own perspective. I believe in the right of self defense. I believe that people who have no intention of ever killing anybody themselves should be forced by others to go unarmed so that somebody who would happily kill them without much provocation gets to live. You are simply an idiot if you can't see this.

I am not psychologically deranged. I am not a killer. I will never snap. All life is sacred and precious. I don't own guns because I am afraid. I oppose only absurd gun regulation. I am confident in my capacity to determine for myself what is absurd. You can input whatever opinions you like but I would not yield my control over my life to you because of your ideological fears willingly. The right of self defense is built into human nature and only the programmed have lost that common sense. Sorry about that. The only reason I even spend any time talking or thinking about guns is because of all the gun insanity first on the right and now from the left.

American culture is sick Guns express the madness but are not the cause You do not want to know the real cause and that guilt is what makes you go after me

 

[Viper1j]

Simple question. If the funeral picture you posted was of an innocent gun shot murder victim or perhaps your own or that of a loved one and I could have used one of my guns in some hypothetical way to prevent that death, would you be grateful for the fact that I did or would you continue to feel that the fact I was able to save that person was because I am evil for having such a firearm. A simple yes or no is all I want to know. I feel pretty confident you will not answer as you are basically, on the subject of the 2nd amendment a bot program. You can see only your own perspective. I believe in the right of self defense. I believe that people who have no intention of ever killing anybody themselves should be forced by others to go unarmed so that somebody who would happily kill them without much provocation gets to live. You are simply an idiot if you can't see this.

I am not psychologically deranged. I am not a killer. I will never snap. All life is sacred and precious. I don't own guns because I am afraid. I oppose only absurd gun regulation. I am confident in my capacity to determine for myself what is absurd. You can input whatever opinions you like but I would not yield my control over my life to you because of your ideological fears willingly. The right of self defense is built into human nature and only the programmed have lost that common sense. Sorry about that. The only reason I even spend any time talking or thinking about guns is because of all the gun insanity first on the right and now from the left.

American culture is sick Guns express the madness but are not the cause You do not want to know the real cause and that guilt is what makes you go after me

Here's a deal.

I won't complain about your choice of weapon, if you promise not to complain about mine.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's a deal.

I won't complain about your choice of weapon, if you promise not to complain about mine.

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The only meaningful aspect of your post was that you would not answer a simple yes or no question. You don't want to admit that in the right conditions you would be praying for someone to save you our a loved ones life, someone perhaps that could only do so because they had a gun. Your gun ideology is phony and that's why you won't answer.

 

[Viper1j]

The only meaningful aspect of your post was that you would not answer a simple yes or no question. You don't want to admit that in the right conditions you would be praying for someone to save you our a loved ones life, someone perhaps that could only do so because they had a gun. Your gun ideology is phony and that's why you won't answer.

You don't need an AR-15 or a bazooka to save a life. And my point was, when you advocate for unfettered gun access with no restrictions, be careful what you ask for.

Sometimes, you get it.

 

[Moonbeam]

You don't need an AR-15 or a bazooka to save a life. And my point was, when you advocate for unfettered gun access with no restrictions, be careful what you ask for.

Sometimes, you get it.

Who asked for unfettered gun use. I object to your casual mischaracterization of my support of the principal of self defense which millions of people have chosen the AR 15 platform as an option to that end, with your dogmatic and in my opinion irrationally ideological contempt for scary guns just because I decided to build one myself and they have become a symbol for liberal loathing.

I have one thing to say to you. The greater the self hate the greater the projection of that hated being imagined as a threat coming toward you from others. I have no obligation to surrender my own personal rights to defend myself because of your mental illness.

And the more I know at a conscious level that my fears of you are just the same thing, the product of the fact I am also nuts, the safer you are. You are not my real enemy, I am. The more aware you are of what you really feel, the less you can pretend those feelings represent objective reality.

I would rather live next door to a happy go lucky down to earth conservative gun owner than sone of the liberal paranoid screechers that post here. Nut cases are created by an intense fear they will act out their self hate on others.

Look for a Hobbit to carry ring.