Some 2013 Challenger V6 recalled - stop driving.

[LTC8K6]

http://www.torquenews.com/1081/chry...nger-over-fire-risk-tells-owners-stop-driving

Affected by Sunday’s recall are 4,459 model year 2013 Dodge Challenger performance vehicles equipped with V6 engines over an electrical issue that may lead to a fire. Specifically, certain wire harnesses may short circuit, which may cause overheating and/or a fire. Of the nearly 4,500 vehicles, roughly 2,500 are in the possession of owners, while the rest are on dealers’ lots. The recall does not include Dodge Challengers equipped with V8 engines. The affected 2013 Dodge Challengers were assembled during an eight-week period that ended January 24, 2013.

According to spokesman Eric Mayne, the defect is the result of a single batch of misconfigured electrical components and not necessarily the wiring harness specifically. Chrysler has yet to identify the particular part, but did indicate that certain wire harnesses caught fire when workers attempting to reconfigure the parts. So far there have been seven incidents of the problem, but no injuries.

Due to the severity of the recall, Chrysler is currently reaching out to Dodge Challenger owners by phone and mail to tell them not to drive their cars until the problem is remedied. Furthermore, Chrysler is urging owners not to park their cars in garages or near other structures in case they catch on fire.

 

[cbrsurfr]

Who buys a V6 Challenger? Those things have to be horrendously slow.

 

[tfinch2]

Who buys a V6 Challenger? Those things have to be horrendously slow.

My mom just did. She likes how it looks, but does not care about paying the extra $$ for the v8.

Thanks for the info OP.

 

[iamwiz82]

Who buys a V6 Challenger? Those things have to be horrendously slow.

I'm fairly certain that a V6 Challenger does 0-60 in mid 6s. Not blazing fast but quick enough for daily driving.

 

[JackBurton]

Who buys a V6 Challenger? Those things have to be horrendously slow.

IMO, they shouldn't even make a V6 version of the Challenger, but I understand why Chrysler offers it.

 

[BUTCH1]

IMO, they shouldn't even make a V6 version of the Challenger, but I understand why Chrysler offers it.

Why not? a 6.3 0-60 is quite respectable indeed, not everyone needs to do epic burnouts that inspire Bruce Springsteen songs, Both the Mustang and the Camaro have very stout V6's as well, offering great performance, 300HP and 30 MPG Highway, gone are the days when your V6 Mustang had a 4.0L leftover truck engine..

 

[Midwayman]

Other than the bad rep from the days with the v6 was pretty flacid, they're fine. Even for a sport-ish car.

 

[LTC8K6]

If they'd put the new 8 speed in it, it would be even quicker. The fuel economy would tick up a bit also.

 

[JackBurton]

Why not? a 6.3 0-60 is quite respectable indeed, not everyone needs to do epic burnouts that inspire Bruce Springsteen songs, Both the Mustang and the Camaro have very stout V6's as well, offering great performance, 300HP and 30 MPG Highway, gone are the days when your V6 Mustang had a 4.0L leftover truck engine..

Because it's a muscle car, and 0-60 in 6.3s is not muscle by today's standards. If you don't want "epic burnouts that inspire Bruce Springsteen songs," go get a Camry instead of riding around in a wannabe muscle car. It's like offering a V6 Vette. I don't care if 320hp is good enough for you, it's not a Vette. Sorry. What you have instead is an old lady's car, with a muscle car shell. I've driven an automatic V6 Camaro and it was horrible. It was like the life was sucked out of a muscle car. Horrible.

What I find funny are these morons that ride around in a V6 Mustang with a racing stripe. I just want to ask them, what are you racing? A Camry? IMO, the only Mustang that I think deserves the racing stripe is the GT500 (not including the Boss 302). All other models look goofy with it.

 

[LTC8K6]

Because it's a muscle car, and 0-60 in 6.3s is not muscle by today's standards. If you don't want "epic burnouts that inspire Bruce Springsteen songs," go get a Camry instead of riding around in a wannabe muscle car. It's like offering a V6 Vette. I don't care if 320hp is good enough for you, it's not a Vette. Sorry. What you have instead is an old lady's car, with a muscle car shell. I've driven an automatic V6 Camaro and it was horrible. It was like the life was sucked out of a muscle car. Horrible.

What I find funny are these morons that ride around in a V6 Mustang with a racing stripe. I just want to ask them, what are you racing? A Camry? IMO, the only Mustang that I think deserves the racing stripe is the GT500 (not including the Boss 302). All other models look goofy with it.

But a V6 Mustang will clean most car's clocks in a stoplight drag. Plus, it's rear wheel drive, and available with a manual. It does 0-60 in the low 5's with the 6M.

The Camaro V6 is also available with a 6M.

The Challenger is also rear wheel drive. That alone is often reason enough to buy one. Lots of people don't like front wheel drive.

IIRC, the V6's handily outsell the V8's.

I wonder if there is a better bang for the buck out there than the Mustang V6 with the 6M.

 

[foghorn67]

Because it's a muscle car, and 0-60 in 6.3s is not muscle by today's standards. If you don't want "epic burnouts that inspire Bruce Springsteen songs," go get a Camry instead of riding around in a wannabe muscle car. It's like offering a V6 Vette. I don't care if 320hp is good enough for you, it's not a Vette. Sorry. What you have instead is an old lady's car, with a muscle car shell. I've driven an automatic V6 Camaro and it was horrible. It was like the life was sucked out of a muscle car. Horrible.

What I find funny are these morons that ride around in a V6 Mustang with a racing stripe. I just want to ask them, what are you racing? A Camry? IMO, the only Mustang that I think deserves the racing stripe is the GT500 (not including the Boss 302). All other models look goofy with it.

Maybe they don't care about meeting the needs of your personal insecurities.
That's what we have time for. Going around all day worrying about you.

 

[JackBurton]

Maybe they don't care about meeting the needs of your personal insecurities.
That's what we have time for. Going around all day worrying about you.

Hey, I didn't say you had to care what I thought. You're the one that bought it, not me. I wish you luck in your future Toyota Corolla drag races though.

 

[JackBurton]

But a V6 Mustang will clean most car's clocks in a stoplight drag. Plus, it's rear wheel drive, and available with a manual. It does 0-60 in the low 5's with the 6M.

The Camaro V6 is also available with a 6M.

The Challenger is also rear wheel drive. That alone is often reason enough to buy one. Lots of people don't like front wheel drive.

IIRC, the V6's handily outsell the V8's.

I wonder if there is a better bang for the buck out there than the Mustang V6 with the 6M.

No doubt about it. Girls and old ladies LOVE the V6 variant. They aren't interested in power, they just want the look. And then they brag to their friends they bought a Mustang.

Another little stat, GT's outsell GT500's. I know, hard to believe.

 

[LTC8K6]

No doubt about it. Girls and old ladies LOVE the V6 variant. They aren't interested in power, they just want the look. And then they brag to their friends they bought a Mustang.

Another little stat, GT's outsell GT500's. I know, hard to believe.

Nobody likes a smartass.

Selling a lot of V6's is probably the reason they can sell the V8's. Without all those V6's, you probably don't have the V8 at all, or the V8 costs a lot more. You most likely can't have the GT500 without the V6 sales.

Plus you have CAFE standards.

How the hell anyone can scoff at 0-60 in 5.2, a 6MT, and 19/29 mpg, and great handling, and rear wheel drive, is beyond me.

Sounds more like a braying jackass who doesn't like the cars anyway, V6 or V8.

 

[LTC8K6]

Maybe they don't care about meeting the needs of your personal insecurities.
That's what we have time for. Going around all day worrying about you.

Not to mention that all Mustangs basically look like the GT500 these days.

 

[JackBurton]

Nobody likes a smartass.

Selling a lot of V6's is probably the reason they can sell the V8's. Without all those V6's, you probably don't have the V8 at all, or the V8 costs a lot more. You most likely can't have the GT500 without the V6 sales.

Plus you have CAFE standards.

How the hell anyone can scoff at 0-60 in 5.2, a 6MT, and 19/29 mpg, and great handling, and rear wheel drive, is beyond me.

Sounds more like a braying jackass who doesn't like the cars anyway, V6 or V8.

No question about it, the V6 is Ford's money maker for Mustangs. And that's why I said I know why Ford sells the V6 version. However it's just there for the girls and old ladies that aren't interested in a race car, but rather the appearance of a race car. I actually saw a lady (older lady), driving a base Camaro with custom plates "gofast." Seriously?

Now you can argue the fact the V6 Mustang is pretty competitive with a supercharger, and I'll agree. But lets be real, 99.99% of the people that buy a V6 Mustang aren't going to do jack squat to their car. They'll just buy the cheapest Mustang so they can go out and brag to their friends they bought a Mustang. Same with the Camaro and Challenger. Same goes for the BMW 328i and base Vette. They're just the cars people buy to brag, which is sad. And the bragging usually goes something like:

Owner: "I bought a new BMW!"
Anyone who'd listen to them: "Oh really? Which model?"
Owner: "A 328i"
Anyone who'd listen to them: "Oh. That's nice." (In an unimpressed tone)


But listen, I've had this discussion many times before. It's my opinion and that's about it. If someone wants to buy a V6 Mustang or whatever else, knock yourself out. It's your money. And if you are happy with it, good for you. I just can't stand them.

 

[JackBurton]

Not to mention that all Mustangs basically look like the GT500 these days.

Yeah, and I'm not happy with what Ford did with the 2013 models basically using the GT500 front end for all their lower end models. That was a stupid move.

 

[zCypher]

The V6 versions of the muscle cars are nothing like their proper V8 brethren, but I think it's pretty cool that we have such fast V6 models available today. Didn't the third gen V6 Camaros have something like 140hp? They were horribly slow compared to today's V6 Camaro. If it was just for grannies and showoffs, they would still be horribly slow, but they're not. Not to mention we now have more competition to the V6 Camaro/Mustang/Challenger, like the Hyundai Genesis. More, more... more!!

 

[BUTCH1]

Nobody likes a smartass.

Selling a lot of V6's is probably the reason they can sell the V8's. Without all those V6's, you probably don't have the V8 at all, or the V8 costs a lot more. You most likely can't have the GT500 without the V6 sales.

Plus you have CAFE standards.

How the hell anyone can scoff at 0-60 in 5.2, a 6MT, and 19/29 mpg, and great handling, and rear wheel drive, is beyond me.

Sounds more like a braying jackass who doesn't like the cars anyway, V6 or V8.

And those specs would crush 75% of the "Muscle car" era cars, dumbnuts thinks that if Ford offers a GT500 Cobrastang with 620HP anyone buying any other variant is some kind of "pussy" and "wannabe" for not ordering it with those options. The V6 Camaro he drove was probably from 1997 LOL...

 

[JackBurton]

And those specs would crush 75% of the "Muscle car" era cars, dumbnuts thinks that if Ford offers a GT500 Cobrastang with 620HP anyone buying any other variant is some kind of "pussy" and "wannabe" for not ordering it with those options. The V6 Camaro he drove was probably from 1997 LOL...

It was a 2010 and it was horrible.

 

[LTC8K6]

It was a 2010 and it was horrible.

It was a slushbox...it was probably over 1 second slower than a Mustang V6 with the 6MT.

Keep in mind that the Mustang V6 is getting those low 5's and that good fuel economy without direct injection.

 

[nerp]

If Chrysler is selling a lot of v6 Challengers to people, that's fine with me. Who gives a fuck? Not everyone wants to do burnouts or race people on the highway. Not wanting that doesn't mean your car can't look good or you're forced to drive a bug-eyed Toyota. And as others have said, a v6 nowadays means 300 HP and 0-60s that only Ferrari and Lamborghini could offer in the 80s and 90s. Your so called muscle cars with v8s could only dream of that kind of performance not that long ago. I think the Chally v6 really needs that Z-F 8-speed, though. It makes the Charger such a fantastic car (but that's a family sedan, not in same category as your stangs and challys).

 

[railer]

I don't even own a v6, but I agree with most everyone here.
With a modern v6 you can get a nice looking, good handling, reasonably quick and fuel efficient package for not a lot of coin. Most of today's v6's will blow the doors off of many "muscle cars" of just a few years ago.

Here's a Motor Trend review of the new Camaro v6 vs. a '67 Camaro with a 350 for some perspective.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...s_350/viewall.html#13636501185151&188,shopper

 

[craiggloyd]

I wouldn't call low 20s to high teens MPG reasonable. The V6 is rated for 21MPG combined with the 5-speed auto, 23MPG combined for the 8 speed auto. It weighs about 3700 pounds, about as much as a Chevy Volt and a bit heavier than a 2014 Accord hybrid.
The Volt, when hacked, can do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds unreliably and 0-60 in 6.5 reliably http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA4fLSuvkk8 , skip to 3:50 for the successful attempt at 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. With this hack you can still drive it in other modes that are fully EV, and even if you never plug it in you'll be getting 35-40MPG (maybe a bit less if you are in hack mode all the time).
The '14 Accord hybrid does 0-60 in 7.8 seconds or so, not as fast as a V6 Challenger or Charger but gets over 40MPG, around TWICE the MPG with a similar curb weight!

 

[LTC8K6]

I wouldn't call low 20s to high teens MPG reasonable. The V6 is rated for 21MPG combined with the 5-speed auto, 23MPG combined for the 8 speed auto. It weighs about 3700 pounds, about as much as a Chevy Volt and a bit heavier than a 2014 Accord hybrid.
The Volt, when hacked, can do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds unreliably and 0-60 in 6.5 reliably http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA4fLSuvkk8 , skip to 3:50 for the successful attempt at 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. With this hack you can still drive it in other modes that are fully EV, and even if you never plug it in you'll be getting 35-40MPG (maybe a bit less if you are in hack mode all the time).
The '14 Accord hybrid does 0-60 in 7.8 seconds or so, not as fast as a V6 Challenger or Charger but gets over 40MPG, around TWICE the MPG with a similar curb weight!

AFAIK, there isn't an 8 speed V6 Challenger.

How in the world you thought front wheel drive hybrids belonged in this thread is beyond me. No one was arguing that a V6 Challenger got the best fuel economy. The economy is reasonable in comparison to the performance, and also in comparison to earlier V8's.

If you modify the Volt, then we get to modify the Challenger. You can't modify one and say "I win!".

The Volt and the Accord are front wheel drive, and thus not really in this game.

The reminder of the weight of the Volt, reminds me that it's not paying it's fair share of road use taxes at all, yet the government subsidizes it, and other such vehicles, while complaining that highway revenue is decreasing.