Somali pirates hijack ship; 20 Americans aboard

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I'm not defending anyone, I'm showing red dawn that it's his party (and yours) that looks at a crisis as a political opportunity.

You're showing me nothing because that's all you got.

Sheeple see nothing..... you are just following blindly.... keep drinking the kool-aid and don't ask any questions.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I'm not defending anyone, I'm showing red dawn that it's his party (and yours) that looks at a crisis as a political opportunity.

You're showing me nothing because that's all you got.

Sheeple see nothing..... you are just following blindly.... keep drinking the kool-aid and don't ask any questions.

Adults are talking here, go elsewhere for attention.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I hope this ends well. This is an incredibly sticky situation. the pirates know as soon as they release the hostage that they are going to be captured. The pirates have no fuel, running low on food and a slew of navy boats surrounding them. I would almost guess doing a sleeping gas thing or similar would help solve this problem quick. The catch is to do it without them noticing. I hope the guy makes it out alive.

Yeah, it just seems to be escalating. I still don't understand why something has been done to save the captain. And we need to get these ships armed, just add an extra person who's role is defense.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but in one of the news articles they mentioned something about the Seafair law of some sorts which prohibits certain organizations from taking action. What I don't understand is that isn't this the very definition of terrorism?

Not if you ask the Obama administration, and this administration doesn't use the word "terrorist".

Robert Wood was giving a press conference about this situation and he was as articulate as Barney Frank.

I wonder how this administration plans to "not waste this crisis".

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: cscpianoman
I hope this ends well. This is an incredibly sticky situation. the pirates know as soon as they release the hostage that they are going to be captured. The pirates have no fuel, running low on food and a slew of navy boats surrounding them. I would almost guess doing a sleeping gas thing or similar would help solve this problem quick. The catch is to do it without them noticing. I hope the guy makes it out alive.

Yeah, it just seems to be escalating. I still don't understand why something has been done to save the captain. And we need to get these ships armed, just add an extra person who's role is defense.

The problem is that these ships are huge, slow, and far from advanced medical services. If someone got hurt in the defense of a ship, they'd be fucked. The best bet for many of these crews is better anti-piracy training - don't loiter through pirate infested waters, better training in disabling the ship quickly, and the creation of strong safe-rooms for crews to secure themselves in. Putting some arms on board though is certainly an option, but I don't know how feasible it is or how easily you can arm a huge cargo ship or the number of people you'd need to do it. Complex situation. Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but in one of the news articles they mentioned something about the Seafair law of some sorts which prohibits certain organizations from taking action. What I don't understand is that isn't this the very definition of terrorism?

Not if you ask the Obama administration, and this administration doesn't use the word "terrorist".

Robert Wood was giving a press conference about this situation and he was as articulate as Barney Frank.

I wonder how this administration plans to "not waste this crisis".

No this is NOT the definition of Terrorism!!
If you don`t understand something then perhaps you need to continue on is Jr High School and try to graduate from High School.

You are trying to play the semantic game. only not very well.

Description of terrorism - American Heritage® Dictionary
NOUN: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

These pirates are not trying to make a political statement or even to coerce societies or governments......sorry Budmantom.

These pirates have already stated they just want toe money...they have no intentions of killing anybody......it doesn`t matter what country the ship is from they will attack it...why?
Because it is profitable plain and simple!

So get your head out of your ass and quit trying to tie every piece of news to Obama. We all know how you feel.

The question is asked -- are you a masochist?
Why all the self-ownage??

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but in one of the news articles they mentioned something about the Seafair law of some sorts which prohibits certain organizations from taking action. What I don't understand is that isn't this the very definition of terrorism?

Not if you ask the Obama administration, and this administration doesn't use the word "terrorist".

Robert Wood was giving a press conference about this situation and he was as articulate as Barney Frank.

I wonder how this administration plans to "not waste this crisis".

Do you ever stop trolling? You're almost as bad as winnar111 with your useless quips. Grow the fuck up; maybe then can you come back and have a real debate or provide some real substance to the conversations at hand.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but in one of the news articles they mentioned something about the Seafair law of some sorts which prohibits certain organizations from taking action. What I don't understand is that isn't this the very definition of terrorism?

Not if you ask the Obama administration, and this administration doesn't use the word "terrorist".

Robert Wood was giving a press conference about this situation and he was as articulate as Barney Frank.

I wonder how this administration plans to "not waste this crisis".

There are several ways to "not waste a crisis". The bushies invaded an entire unrelated country after 9/11. Lucky for you, this admin will not be this batshit crazy and will just attack the central problem.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

Haha, the French are making us look like wusses.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

Haha, the French are making us look like wusses.

Somewhat. I don't see a problem with the handling of the current situation. I'm sure storming a lifeboat, being a lifeboat and all. If what we do ends up leading to the death of the hostage, there will be a huge uproar back home about the 'mishandling of the situation,' so the government is I think right to see how this plays out. The pirates only have one bargaining chip - the captain. And they certainly don't want to start killing people, as that would jeopardize their positions of being a nuisance that just asks for mild amounts of ransom and killing him would lead to potentially being blown straight to hell when the USN opens up on the lifeboat with the 5-inch deck guns.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

Haha, the French are making us look like wusses.

It appears that the french went into action rescuing somebody with money. And then lost one of the hostages.

Think about how much fun the repugs would have if this admin lost a hostage while attempting a rescue. Never mind that the repugs are pushing for 'action'.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: tweaker2

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: spidey07
If the pirates do make the mistake of firing or even so much as aiming at a navy ship then that ship had better fire.

What, with a main gun? At an oil tanker? How would that be good? Then everybody dies and ll the oil goes in the water. Surely that is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Much better they send in the special forces.

I'm gonna assume we have targeting & munitions technology that can, from a comfortable range, disable the rudders and screws of large vessels while minimizng collateral damage?

Don't know about the consequences of that kind of action though.

Ships these days don't carry specialized ammunition for things like that, no. While I'm sure we could disable the ship's ability to move fairly easily, we would still run a pretty significant risk of some collateral damage, and on an oil tanker that would be really bad. I think our ships would only fire on it as a measure of last resort.

Good point. :thumbsup:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Good point. :thumbsup:

You don't have to blow the ship up, just rain down the deck and control room with dual 50 cal

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Good point. :thumbsup:

You don't have to blow the ship up, just rain down the deck and control room with dual 50 cal

Back in the day, I had developed a deep respect for Ma Deuce. Just watching how she chopped things up, knocked things down and took things apart was a sight to behold. Having that kind of raw power in your hands was exhilarating. Although, cleaning that big fat lady was a bitch.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

Haha, the French are making us look like wusses.

It appears that the french went into action rescuing somebody with money. And then lost one of the hostages.

Think about how much fun the repugs would have if this admin lost a hostage while attempting a rescue. Never mind that the repugs are pushing for 'action'.

so it's not ok to criticize HOW an administration does something, the only dissent, if any, should be whether or not "something" should be done. got it.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

Haha, the French are making us look like wusses.

It appears that the french went into action rescuing somebody with money. And then lost one of the hostages.

Think about how much fun the repugs would have if this admin lost a hostage while attempting a rescue. Never mind that the repugs are pushing for 'action'.

so it's not ok to criticize HOW an administration does something, the only dissent, if any, should be whether or not "something" should be done. got it.

Maybe you haven't been following along. The thing that's not ok is to only criticize - to be a destroyer as some repugs have turned out to be in the last six months. You certainly don't want this admin (and thereby, the u.s.) to fail, do you?

The ability to criticize the government openly, in public, without fear of recrimination or imprisonment is one of the backbones of our form of government. In fact, it allows one to be completely negative - like some here. It doesn't mean it's not childish though.

 

[episodic]

I don't understand. Why don't they just deploy a seal team and be done with them? It is stupid that these ships they are capturing have no way of defending themselves.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: episodic
I don't understand. Why don't they just deploy a seal team and be done with them? It is stupid that these ships they are capturing have no way of defending themselves.

What about the next time?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Maybe start taking a stronger approach, like what France is doing - storming seized vessels with special forces and arresting pirates.

Haha, the French are making us look like wusses.

It appears that the french went into action rescuing somebody with money. And then lost one of the hostages.

Think about how much fun the repugs would have if this admin lost a hostage while attempting a rescue. Never mind that the repugs are pushing for 'action'.

so it's not ok to criticize HOW an administration does something, the only dissent, if any, should be whether or not "something" should be done. got it.

Maybe you haven't been following along. The thing that's not ok is to only criticize - to be a destroyer as some repugs have turned out to be in the last six months. You certainly don't want this admin (and thereby, the u.s.) to fail, do you?

The ability to criticize the government openly, in public, without fear of recrimination or imprisonment is one of the backbones of our form of government. In fact, it allows one to be completely negative - like some here. It doesn't mean it's not childish though.

How do you not realize that when you repeatedly refer to Republicans as "repugs", you're doing exactly what you're criticizing them for? :roll:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: Robor
Trolling much guys?

So what's your suggestion? A stiffly worded retort? Finger shaking? Foot stamping? Panty bunching? Telling them that 'they broke the rules'?

Obama's (now completed) appeasement tour of Europe will do nothing to show anyone that he will have the cajones to stand up to anybody. If he actually authorizes a SEAL, or Delta Force, op against these clowns, has them summarily executed on the spot, and hangs their bodies up for display on the ship to feed the gulls, I'll apologize for my comments turn out to me incorrect.

Showing lack of faith in our leaders isn't trolling.

My suggestion is to wait and see what the Obama administration actually does and react on it then, not post fucking childish made up bullshit before it happens.

Your suggestion is assinine~!!!!
This is not a US problem at all!
That was the first US flagged ship that has been attacked!

Obama doesn`t have to do squat~~~!!

It`s the international maritime committee that needs to act!!

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: episodic
I don't understand. Why don't they just deploy a seal team and be done with them? It is stupid that these ships they are capturing have no way of defending themselves.

What about the next time?

How about not negotiating with them and just blowing them out of the water on sight? Sounds good to me.

 

[tboo]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: episodic
I don't understand. Why don't they just deploy a seal team and be done with them? It is stupid that these ships they are capturing have no way of defending themselves.

What about the next time?

I have a feeling there wont be any "next times" with French owned ships. Right now Im willing to bet fellow pirates are passing the word to not hijack any French owned vessels.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: episodic
I don't understand. Why don't they just deploy a seal team and be done with them? It is stupid that these ships they are capturing have no way of defending themselves.

What about the next time?

And that area is so large that you need a host of nations coordinating their actions. Better yet, why don't we just stop the problem at its source and help the African Union make Somalia a more governable country? Nah, that's not an immediate problem for the West:roll:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: episodic
I don't understand. Why don't they just deploy a seal team and be done with them? It is stupid that these ships they are capturing have no way of defending themselves.

What about the next time?

And that area is so large that you need a host of nations coordinating their actions. Better yet, why don't we just stop the problem at its source and help the African Union make Somalia a more governable country? Nah, that's not an immediate problem for the West:roll:

Ethiopia should have annexed that shithole country a long time ago. I say we feed them cash and weapons until they do it.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: Robor
Trolling much guys?

So what's your suggestion? A stiffly worded retort? Finger shaking? Foot stamping? Panty bunching? Telling them that 'they broke the rules'?

Obama's (now completed) appeasement tour of Europe will do nothing to show anyone that he will have the cajones to stand up to anybody. If he actually authorizes a SEAL, or Delta Force, op against these clowns, has them summarily executed on the spot, and hangs their bodies up for display on the ship to feed the gulls, I'll apologize for my comments turn out to me incorrect.

Showing lack of faith in our leaders isn't trolling.

My suggestion is to wait and see what the Obama administration actually does and react on it then, not post fucking childish made up bullshit before it happens.

Your suggestion is assinine~!!!!
This is not a US problem at all!
That was the first US flagged ship that has been attacked!

Obama doesn`t have to do squat~~~!!

It`s the international maritime committee that needs to act!!

So now Obama has turned the safety of U.S. citizens over to an international maritime committee?! Does he bow to the leader of that as well?