Soldier Mom Refusing to Report to Active Duty

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

above is another proof, that our military is in a bad shape, fill with lying/uneducated people, who can't argue without profanity nor reasoning.

JoS is not in the U.S. military.

try to keep up...

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333


They? It's not a military term. It's a commonly used English word. In what capacity did you serve = what the hell did you do.

sea man. do not generalize military, we use position rather than capacity.

For Christ's sake... it's not a military term. I am asking what the hell you did in the Navy. Surely they must have trained you do something other than mop the deck and not understand common English words.

Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. Too bad it's wrong. If I found a bunch of kids on Yahoo who had the opinion that we are not in a recession, would that make it so?

prove it, or shut it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...(2001%E2%80%93present)

Date October 7, 2001?present
Location Afghanistan
Status Conflict ongoing


There isn't a simple.wikipedia.org entry yet, so you may have trouble.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
this story has now hit just about every major news outlet, and the vast majority of them are reporting the story as how the big bad army is mistreating this woman and making things difficult for all women.

offffffff course they are... :|

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

above is another proof, that our military is in a bad shape, fill with lying/uneducated people, who can't argue without profanity nor reasoning.

JoS is not in the U.S. military.

try to keep up...

Jack is obviously only interested in trolling.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...(2001%E2%80%93present)

Date October 7, 2001?present
Location Afghanistan
Status Conflict ongoing


There isn't a simple.wikipedia.org entry yet, so you may have trouble.

lol you dismiss people's comments on yahoo groups, yet you see wiki as a valid source?... especially its one where was deemed by wiki as "require clean up"

This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please improve this article if you can

please shut it now.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
interested in trolling.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
interested in trolling.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hey guys everyone has a position on this and strong feelings. Keep the insults down or this thread will need locking. I'm talking as moderator now.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...(2001%E2%80%93present)

Date October 7, 2001?present
Location Afghanistan
Status Conflict ongoing


There isn't a simple.wikipedia.org entry yet, so you may have trouble.

lol you dismiss people's comments on yahoo groups, yet you see wiki as a valid source?... especially its one where was deemed by wiki as "require clean up"

This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please improve this article if you can

please shut it now.

I'm still dumbfounded as to why I need to prove to you that the sky is blue.

http://news.google.com/news?q=...roup&resnum=4&ct=title

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s...politics/40490292.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com...ry/specialComment/home

http://www.google.com/hostedne...PMbBaLqXqGpZQD96M1UGG0

http://lookingaround.blogs.tim...s-of-soldiers-coffins/

http://www.google.com/hostedne...mt21MfoYhjZJQD96LTFGO0

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...948_opinb28feaver.html

http://www.google.com/hostedne..._lG5xk9O_QPJqAaDrgv1Og

http://www.latimes.com/news/na...9feb22,0,3663250.story

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...nning-war-afghanistan/

http://www.truthdig.com/report...02_its_obamas_war_now/

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02...4carrier.html?ref=asia

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1234391

http://www.gazette.com/article...aviation_siebring.html

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Pol...gy-for/1235412966.html

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: palehorse


OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

take a poll of people who are/have been in that status and see what they think; legality has nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: palehorse


OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

take a poll of people who are/have been in that status and see what they think; legality has nothing to do with this discussion.

ummm, what!?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: palehorse


OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

take a poll of people who are/have been in that status and see what they think; legality has nothing to do with this discussion.

Then what does? If a man gets called up but his wife has a traveling job then should he be able to refuse orders too?

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...(2001%E2%80%93present)

Date October 7, 2001?present
Location Afghanistan
Status Conflict ongoing

for your information, we never formally declared war on Afg.

now please shut it for good.

she should not be tried as war time criminal, and there is absolutely no reason as we will be completely withdrawn in a year or 2.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: palehorse


OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

take a poll of people who are/have been in that status and see what they think; legality has nothing to do with this discussion.

Then what does? If a man gets called up but his wife has a traveling job then should he be able to refuse orders too?

There is what's legal and what is right. To be fair to the military, I highly doubt they're desperate enough for cannon fodder to prosecute a mom (which the article even states) who had already served and was discharged from her full active duty enlistment. If she had just not shown up, there probably would have been no consequences.

 

[Leon]

They will probably let her go on general discharge.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

above is another proof, that our military is in a bad shape, fill with lying/uneducated people, who can't argue without profanity nor reasoning.

JoS is not in the U.S. military.

try to keep up...

so he was just trolling...?

 

[EagleKeeper]

To be Discharged

RALEIGH, N.C. ? The North Carolina mother who reported for Army duty with her two young children will be discharged from the military, her attorney said Monday. Attorney Mark Waple of Fayetteville said it wasn't yet clear if Lisa Pagan would receive an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions. It also wasn't certain when she would be discharged.

The reason for the discharge will be that she doesn't have, and cannot have, an adequate family care for her two young children, he said.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
To be Discharged

RALEIGH, N.C. ? The North Carolina mother who reported for Army duty with her two young children will be discharged from the military, her attorney said Monday. Attorney Mark Waple of Fayetteville said it wasn't yet clear if Lisa Pagan would receive an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions. It also wasn't certain when she would be discharged.

The reason for the discharge will be that she doesn't have, and cannot have, an adequate family care for her two young children, he said.

Good deal. It only makes sense.

Her obligation is more to her family/kids now than to the military.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
To be Discharged

RALEIGH, N.C. ? The North Carolina mother who reported for Army duty with her two young children will be discharged from the military, her attorney said Monday. Attorney Mark Waple of Fayetteville said it wasn't yet clear if Lisa Pagan would receive an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions. It also wasn't certain when she would be discharged.

The reason for the discharge will be that she doesn't have, and cannot have, an adequate family care for her two young children, he said.

Good deal! the only reasonable / realistic ending.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
To be Discharged

RALEIGH, N.C. ? The North Carolina mother who reported for Army duty with her two young children will be discharged from the military, her attorney said Monday. Attorney Mark Waple of Fayetteville said it wasn't yet clear if Lisa Pagan would receive an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions. It also wasn't certain when she would be discharged.

The reason for the discharge will be that she doesn't have, and cannot have, an adequate family care for her two young children, he said.

Good deal! the only reasonable / realistic ending.

No, the only reasonable ending would have been if she had signed an MOS reduction contract to become non-deployable.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: palehorse


OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

take a poll of people who are/have been in that status and see what they think; legality has nothing to do with this discussion.

Then what does? If a man gets called up but his wife has a traveling job then should he be able to refuse orders too?

There is what's legal and what is right. To be fair to the military, I highly doubt they're desperate enough for cannon fodder to prosecute a mom (which the article even states) who had already served and was discharged from her full active duty enlistment. If she had just not shown up, there probably would have been no consequences.

I really don't have a problem with her being discharged as long as it is applied across the board to everyone. I still see this as a dodge though because her husband could have taken a different job.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: palehorse


OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

take a poll of people who are/have been in that status and see what they think; legality has nothing to do with this discussion.

Then what does? If a man gets called up but his wife has a traveling job then should he be able to refuse orders too?

There is what's legal and what is right. To be fair to the military, I highly doubt they're desperate enough for cannon fodder to prosecute a mom (which the article even states) who had already served and was discharged from her full active duty enlistment. If she had just not shown up, there probably would have been no consequences.

I really don't have a problem with her being discharged as long as it is applied across the board to everyone. I still see this as a dodge though because her husband could have taken a different job.

This is my feeling.

She signed in for 8 years. 4x4.

The hubby's position in the civilian world should not have an impact on her status.
The hubby should have made arrangements for the children to be taken care off.

It was a voluntary pregnancy while she was on active duty.
The Ready Reserve is where you still draw pay - therefore you still have the obligations in force that you signed; unlike the inactive reserve where you draw no pay.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well it's going to be the standard now. Any woman in a similar situation and a two cent lawyer can make a good claim that this should be universally applied

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

above is another proof, that our military is in a bad shape, fill with lying/uneducated people, who can't argue without profanity nor reasoning.

I'm not American.

That should have been obvious for any thinking human being reading this thread, unfortunatnly you're not one of them.

I'm English, IN Afghanistan and i don't respect those who signed up but won't go. US soldiers are here, they share the same fund that she recieves money from and they hare here, she's not.

It's like refusing to go to work, wold you pay an employee that refuses to show up?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

above is another proof, that our military is in a bad shape, fill with lying/uneducated people, who can't argue without profanity nor reasoning.

JoS is not in the U.S. military.

try to keep up...

so he was just trolling...?

No, you retarded POS, i'm English and IN Afghanistan, i am a Captain of the SAS troops here.