Solar Flares; I was thinking

[makken]

much easier to generate heat without electricity than it is to remove it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lol @ all of this "stay out of the sun" shit. Because the outdoors are air conditioned during any time of the year? lol. Millions of Arizonans and Nevadans and Texans and etc go outdoors in the summer every year.

And as has been stated, the people in the cold would be much more screwed in terms of actual danger, except maybe fatties at higher risk of heat stroke.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

You've clearly never lived in a cold climate... none of you have.

Hot climate... if you have shade and unlimited water you can survive a very long time.

Cold climate...you will die in less than a day regardless of how many layers of clothing you have.

I love the pointless conditions you provided.

 

[spidey07]

You'd have a lot more to be worried about than staying warm or cold in extended power outage. I'd rather be in the cold, easy food storage, plentiful water and a lot easier to say warm via a fire.

We had a power outage for weeks due to an ice storm and people were freaking out about "OMG! My fridge/freezer food is going to spoil!" Dumb shits, stick it outside in the snow/ice.

 

[Scouzer]

I love the pointless conditions you provided. What if you had unlimited clothing on the cold? According to you, you can have unlimited water on the heat somehow.

Right, your opinion on cold climates when you live in PR is so valid. Have you ever been north of 60? Have you experienced -45 celsius?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Better for the North if you're rich, but worse if you're poor/homeless.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Right, your opinion on cold climates when you live in PR is so valid. Have you ever been north of 60? Have you experienced -45 celsius?

Your experience means NOTHING. Objectively, in real-world conditions, the heat is worse. Food dies sooner and it's a lot harder to keep cool. If you're in a house and the power goes out everywhere all you have to do in the cold is to put on a lot of clothing and, if you have gloves, that helps too.

The fact that many more people die in heat waves than in cold waves seems to corroborate this.

 

[ussfletcher]

You'd have a lot more to be worried about than staying warm or cold in extended power outage. I'd rather be in the cold, easy food storage, plentiful water and a lot easier to say warm via a fire.

We had a power outage for weeks due to an ice storm and people were freaking out about "OMG! My fridge/freezer food is going to spoil!" Dumb shits, stick it outside in the snow/ice.

And how/where do you people propose making a fire? Gas will be off because they can't pump it. Contrary to popular belief most people DON'T have fireplaces, and even if they did most people don't have stocks of wood.

 

[Scouzer]

Your experience means NOTHING. Objectively, in real-world conditions, the heat is worse. Food dies sooner and it's a lot harder to keep cool. If you're in a house and the power goes out everywhere all you have to do in the cold is to put on a lot of clothing and, if you have gloves, that helps too.

The fact that many more people die in heat waves than in cold waves seems to corroborate this.

What in the blue fuck? You seriously think in an extended power outage, one long enough to take a house down to ambient temperature, that some coats, blankets and gloves are going to help? You are just trolling. That's beyond stupid.

The reason people don't die in cold snaps is everyone in cold climates have heat. Not everyone in hot climates has A/C.

 

[ussfletcher]

Your experience means NOTHING. Objectively, in real-world conditions, the heat is worse. Food dies sooner and it's a lot harder to keep cool. If you're in a house and the power goes out everywhere all you have to do in the cold is to put on a lot of clothing and, if you have gloves, that helps too.

The fact that many more people die in heat waves than in cold waves seems to corroborate this.

It has more to do with every house having a heating system, by law.

 

[lxskllr]

The fact that many more people die in heat waves than in cold waves seems to corroborate this.

That's because everyone has heat. If you're poor, it's subsidized by the government. There's a lot of places that don't have A/C, and it's the old people heat sometimes kills. Add to that the small handful of people who don't know to chill out when working in the heat, the death rat is higher for heat, but not significant.

 

[spidey07]

And how/where do you people propose making a fire? Gas will be off because they can't pump it. Contrary to popular belief most people DON'T have fireplaces, and even if they did most people don't have stocks of wood.

I'm not most people and have plenty of trees and a source of water. Even a small camp fire gives off a lot of heat.

But we're talking extremes here. Bitter near zero temps can be dealt with but better from a food/water perspective. High heat like the south in summer? Without water, you're fucked right quick. Now high heat near a large body of water and you'd be golden, but preserved or fresh food would be a must.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

What in the blue fuck? You seriously think in an extended power outage, one long enough to take a house down to ambient temperature, that some coats, blankets and gloves are going to help? You are just trolling. That's beyond stupid.

The reason people don't die in cold snaps is everyone in cold climates have heat. Not everyone in hot climates has A/C.

Yes, and it makes perfect sense. If you're in the heat you have to constantly take baths and depend on being extremely hydrated and the fact that food dies a lot sooner in those conditions makes everything a lot worse. If you stay inside it's unbearable, and if you go outside and can't find a shade it's even worse.

Even if you have tons of water in the heat, it's a lot more unbearable.

If you're in very cold weather that means you're probably in a Northern state and you have winter clothes and as goes for most people, you have a good amount of clothes. I'm seriously doubting someone inside a house with some thick jackets and pants, gloves, boots and many shirts is gonna find themselves dying quickly.

 

[Brigandier]

I live in the UP, and Copper Harbor, the most north you can get in the UP, just had a breathtaking northern lights. If we had a huge solar flare, and there are some warnings out for that, our satellites would be affected. GPS would be spotty and Dish or DirecTV would be f'ed. Not to mention the consumer bands on satellite...

 

[Scouzer]

Yes, and it makes perfect sense. If you're in the heat you have to constantly take baths and depend on being extremely hydrated and the fact that food dies a lot sooner in those conditions makes everything a lot worse. If you stay inside it's unbearable, and if you go outside and can't find a shade it's even worse.

If you're in very cold weather that means you're probably in a Northern state and you have winter clothes and as goes for most people, you have a good amount of clothes. I'm seriously doubting someone inside a house with some thick jackets and pants, gloves and many shirts is gonna find themselves dying quickly.

Look, I've spent entire days in extreme heat (42 degrees celsius is extreme for an unacclimatized Canadian) and I was fine with plenty of water.

I can tell you no matter how climatized I am a day in -42 with a howling wind and I'd be dead even if I was wearing all the winter gear I have.

If I was indoors I'm sure I'd be fine for a day or two but beyond that I'd be dead.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Look, I've spent entire days in extreme heat (42 degrees celsius is extreme for an unacclimatized Canadian) and I was fine with plenty of water.

I can tell you no matter how climatized I am a day in -42 with a howling wind and I'd be dead even if I was wearing all the winter gear I have.

If I was indoors I'm sure I'd be fine for a day or two but beyond that I'd be dead.

Right... except the whole point of this thread is that you're indoors and a complete power outage happens or you were outdoors and it happens and you go indoors. What about the fact that food dies so quickly in the heat? Is water all you're gonna take for food every day after food goes bad? What about having to take showers every ten minutes? Almost everyone would have to do that, and water vaporizes faster in the heat; there's many water droughts. What would you do then?

In the heat you'd have more going against you in terms of the environment not to mention it's a lot more unbearable.

 

[drinkmorejava]

You've clearly never lived in a cold climate... none of you have.

Hot climate... if you have shade and unlimited water you can survive a very long time.

Cold climate...you will die in less than a day regardless of how many layers of clothing you have.

What. I used to go camping in the middle of winter with boy scouts. We would be outside all day, make snow shelters, and sleep in those at night. Only time we would go inside was to change before bed. This was also in northern MN. Daytime wouldn't go above ~20F and I know it was below zero some nights.

Standard layers with hat, gloves, and wool socks are all you really need. The only thing most people might not do is change to dry clothes before bed if they've been sweating.

 

[spidey07]

Yes, and it makes perfect sense. If you're in the heat you have to constantly take baths and depend on being extremely hydrated and the fact that food dies a lot sooner in those conditions makes everything a lot worse. If you stay inside it's unbearable, and if you go outside and can't find a shade it's even worse.

If you're in very cold weather that means you're probably in a Northern state and you have winter clothes and as goes for most people, you have a good amount of clothes. I'm seriously doubting someone inside a house with some thick jackets and pants, gloves, boots and many shirts is gonna find themselves dying quickly.

I'll be naked in my North Face mummy bag I've had since I was in scouts some 30 years ago. Maybe some of my nice long undies and a fleece hat if that isn't enough and some socks. But again, if we're not talking wild extremes on either end, I'll take the cold. I can always get warmer, but cooling down is another thing and requires power and a shit ton of water.

Then again, people are pretty damn stupid. During said long range power outage here in KY due to ice storm folks thought it would be a good idea to burn their gas or charcoal grills in the house to stay warm.D:

You want to see panic? Cut off power to folks for one day or longer. They are simply unprepared for that kind of event. We need some of the hurricane states to chime in on this.

 

[RedRooster]

Wow, you southern folks are sure blissfully unaware of anything below freezing. Its kind of funny actually.
Winter kills. Summer is an inconvenience. This isn't even close.

 

[Scouzer]

Wow, you southern folks are sure blissfully unaware of anything below freezing. Its kind of funny actually.
Winter kills. Summer is an inconvenience. This isn't even close.

+1. Can't argue with people who've never experienced something.

 

[Scouzer]

What. I used to go camping in the middle of winter with boy scouts. We would be outside all day, make snow shelters, and sleep in those at night. Only time we would go inside was to change before bed. This was also in northern MN. Daytime wouldn't go above ~20F and I know it was below zero some nights.

Standard layers with hat, gloves, and wool socks are all you really need. The only thing most people might not do is change to dry clothes before bed if they've been sweating.

-17c is not that cold. I'm talking extreme cold.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Wow, you southern folks are sure blissfully unaware of anything below freezing. Its kind of funny actually.
Winter kills. Summer is an inconvenience. This isn't even close.

Wow, very compelling arguments. You should get an award.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

-17c is not that cold. I'm talking extreme cold.

What about 55C for extreme heat?

There's not too much point in going to the absolute extremes.

 

[DrPizza]

What in the blue fuck? You seriously think in an extended power outage, one long enough to take a house down to ambient temperature, that some coats, blankets and gloves are going to help? You are just trolling. That's beyond stupid.

The reason people don't die in cold snaps is everyone in cold climates have heat. Not everyone in hot climates has A/C.

There have been plenty of times when power was lost for only a day or so up here when it's cold out. People lose heat - people don't die. The scouts go camping during the winter out on a lake for a week. ON a lake - on the ice. They do just fine out there; they're not freezing to death.

Longer term - widespread power outages for a couple weeks. North and South at the same time (not like a hurricane where FEMA can respond to one relatively small geographic area) - who is going to be more hurt? Food doesn't spoil as quickly in the cold.

If you really had to, even in the cities, you could go outside and have a bonfire to keep warm. There are plenty of flammable things - i.e. the stereotypical scene in movies with homeless people gathered around, keeping warm by a 55 gallon drum that's been converted into a heater.

 

[ElFenix]

the answer is the north in the summer.