Socket 939 Sempron found........

[boran]

To Opteron, might I point out that a return 0 is actually a sucsessfull end of method indicator, a return nonzero would indicate a failure.

just mentioning.

 

[imported_Opteron]

It's quote from one forum, it was a comment to porkster..

 

[kitkat22]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: cscpianomanFor those looking at stability, come to the conclusion that the Intel hardware hasn?t matured yet. I?m sure it will shortly; give it time. For temps go to another site and do some comparisons, come back and report what you find.

But that's your own opinion. I see the Intel as perfectly ready.

Notice I said Intel "hardware." I meant the whole thing, especially the motherboards. I have nothing against the Intel processor except higher heat which can be contained with the proper heatsink and fan.

And yes, this is my opinion. However, I believe it to be a good one based on the observed patterns of the Intel motherboards. SLI hasn't fully matured yet. The power regulators on one were not up to the task, etc. Part of it is explained by the wrong heatsink and fan on the Intel chip which did lead to many of the crashes, but remember the overheating of the passive cooler on the chipset on one of the motherboards was exceptionally high. This may have also contributed to at least one of the crashes.

 

[Duvie]

Dont try to interject reason...I would have got rid of the dweebs....they are not even trying to debate the topic cause they wont even comment to many of the ppls facts...they just keep posting the same drivel....Probably get paid by the post!!!!

Porkster would be gone...I would slap Dothan around and maybe he will pull the head out....

 

[Gamingphreek]

Intel wanted a whole new super chip for the market? and not ala Itanium...

This proves that you know absolutely nothing. Itanium is not a super chip, never intended to be a super chip, and never will be a super chip. It was intended for enterprise solutions, and mission critical systems. In no way shape or form is it a super chip.

-Kevin

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, you are changing the subject again... After they went thru 8 motherboards, and removed SLI (won't work stable on any INTEL mobo), YES, its now apparantly stable putting out a ton of heat at over 130 watts more than the AMD system. So what's your point ?, we have been over this 100 times !!! I have to go to bed and get up in the morning and make a living !!!

8 motherboards? you need to read the THG page again.

The point is to make it clear in the minds that it was Tom that caused the motherboard re-installs and crashes, not the P4.

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[porkster]

Originally posted by: AensleadMisguided? Well... It said there that 4 motherboards have died on them... nVidia nForce 4 Intel Edition. Yes? Yes.

Yep you are partly correct but they changed the motherboards as THG crew were in experience in setting up a new P4 system. Once they worked out what was needed then they got the system stable and running correctly.

THG were very unorganised and weren't usingt he correct hardware, like thermal pads, etc.

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[michal1980]

Originally posted by: porkster
I Am A Moron.

 

[HDTVMan]

FORGET THG. They are the laughing stock of the tech websites. They get different results from everyone else. They are the Apple benchmarkers.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
"Ok" RAM, horrible company. Intel dumped them after DDR got fast enough. Explain that one.

Maybe so, but they were forced to by the stalemate of the market with AMD. It will cost us all as now we will all in time creep back to rambus type technology due to it being the future direction of how memory will need to talk in motherboards. Serial is the future as computers are based on serial not buffered parallel communications.

Rambus was released badly and had licencing issues that hindered the manufacturing, but it is the future and we will be now waiting year to get to the rambus stage again. Then at that stage the whole hardware developer group can improve the rambus model, not the DDR1 product.

Anyway talk about X2 vs P4 840EE

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[porkster]

One of the great things AMD have done is make the X2 compatible with existing 939 mobo's. Intel dual core range are based on mobo?s with chipset i945 upwards, so even if you have a 775 socket mobo, you necessarily can't always use one.

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[porkster]

Originally posted by: ProviaFanI have no problems with BTX; my problem is with those who blame AMD for not jumping on the BTX bandwagon just because it's the "latest and greatest." Compared to the way Intel moved right on to PCI-E and DDR2, it almost seems like they're ignoring BTX in comparison (they're not, I know, but that's not what I said).

BTX isn't taking off so quick as the case makers are not taking the risk of making and shipping them. Most IT shops aren't stocking BTX even if there are customers than want them and the BTX mobo's. The risk is in the stalemate market place AMD has caused.

There are advantages for all of us to have BTX. Better quality cases, better design, quiter, better cooling, new ranges in abilites. Also we should eb able to get value for dollar in cases. Currently the western market is paying too much for the tin cases, based on costs to produce.

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[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, you are changing the subject again... After they went thru 8 motherboards, and removed SLI (won't work stable on any INTEL mobo), YES, its now apparantly stable putting out a ton of heat at over 130 watts more than the AMD system. So what's your point ?, we have been over this 100 times !!! I have to go to bed and get up in the morning and make a living !!!

8 motherboards? you need to read the THG page again.

The point is the mkae ti clear in the minds that it was Tom that caused the motherboard changes and crashes, not the P4.

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I did check the website. 8 crashes, 4 bad motherboards, 5 total. Yes, the P4 DID cause them to fail, pulling too much current, or incompatability, tomshardware does not make motherboards or bios. The incompatability is the fault of the motherboard makers, and the extreme power the P4 sucks is why the one burned up. And the Intel SLI platform is still not stable....

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: DuvieThe real question is was this the cooler that AMD bundled with all of their test boards??? Or did tey get an engineering sample without cooler and so they ASSummed what it would be...

If you saw how THG build the systems up, they were lucky dipping into a big HP box of parts. Nothing was organised or specific and most was strewn on the floor before building.

It's the reason they done 4 Intel boards and numerous crashes and maybe causing of any AMD crashes too if it happens.

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[porkster]

Toms Hardware Guide are doing DAMAGE CONTROL...stunt.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/200506131/index.html">QUOTED from THG :

How THG Tests CPU Coolers and Motherboards,

We at Tom's are very proud of the complexity and rigor of our testing procedures that we use for our product reviews. And we want to make it easier for you to reproduce our results, as well as in the interests of openness expose our methodologies to you.</a>

Yeah sure THG. how about redoing the stress test properly.

I would be happy for them to start the test again with manual priority level changes to the dvd-to-divx thread. As long as both systems are equal and setup correctly with standard issue hardware/software.

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[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: porkster
Maybe so, but they were forced to by the stalemate of the market with AMD...

Originally posted by: porkster
Most IT shops aren't stocking BTX even if there are customers than want them and the BTX mobo's. The risk is in the stalemate market place AMD has caused...

You think you can BS on a side topic and then tell us not to reply with corrections to your incorrect statements, but unfortunately we're free to post whatever we'd like. Sorry.

Nice backpedaling there for a bit, but you're going to need to prove these statements about stalemate markets and AMD. You're not getting anywhere in terms of convincing anyone by just repeating the same nonsense over and over again. Let's see some links to reputable sources...

BTW, it is clear from articles linked previously in this thread, that AMD has done their share of innovation as well. To claim that they're causing the market to stagnate is utterly ridiculous, because anyone with a basic understanding of economics 101 would know that such would be the case if Intel had no competition.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900I did check the website. 8 crashes, 4 bad motherboards, 5 total. Yes, the P4 DID cause them to fail,.

No a P4 doesn't cause that. That?s like saying a knife stabs a victim.

The P4 is within the datasheet specs so if motherboard maker doesn't stick to those specifications or THG put plugs in wrong hardware then you will have a problem, like in any thing build wrong.

Also are you aware that the P4 was allowed to overheat due to no thermal pad/paste? Yes a mobo tracks can be damaged with heat causing a resistance and therefore more heat and damage. THG stuffed up building a modern machine. It's down to their workmenship, not the P4.

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[Markfw]

No, it had paste, just there were TWO OEM HSF's given to them. They used one, then the other. And I said that the motherboards were not strong enough....

 

[Duvie]

What the fvck are those morons at Toms doing???

Look at both the INtel and AMD systems at 4:00 to 5:45 their time...Look at the network hits and what it did to the cpu time and heat....Looks like the AMD i staking the worst brunt of this by the time it was down at zero and the much higher network bars.....

Are we dealing with junior high kids running this test and their "lab" is the garage???


Those network spikes have to be consuming cpu cycles, right???

 

[HDTVMan]

You summed it up with:

What the fvck are those morons at Toms doing???

All the other tech websites see THG as a joke. He ruined his website and reputation when he sold out.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Duvie
What the fvck are those morons at Toms doing???

It's looking bad. AMD is only winning in the WinRAR sub-test.

Loop Count and FPS page

They need to run the tests again when all the problems are ironed out, so to speak.


As of this post date. Intel zero crashes after proper system build, AMD zero crashes. Both showing strange network usage. Note: Intel system had time down during test to correct installation error by THG.

Lame Encoder-----
Encoded CDs on Intel System: 764 CDs
Encoded CDs on AMD System: 686 CDs

WinRAR File Compression-----
Packed RAR archives on Intel System: 4190 Archives
Packed RAR archives on AMD System: 5510 Archives

Farcry Timedemo-----
Current Frame Rate on Intel System: 36 FPS at 2601 runs
Current Frame Rate on AMD System: 33 FPS at 3115 runs

DivX-----
Encoded Time on Intel System: 3350 Minutes
Encoded Time on AMD System: 210 minutes

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[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Duvie
What the fvck are those morons at Toms doing???

It's looking bad. AMD is only winning in the WinRAR sub-test.

They need to run the tests again when all the problems are ironed out, so to speak.

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Not is has more runs in Far Cry also. Just a momentary fps dip....

 

[Leper Messiah]

this farce hasn't ended yet? Quick, spam the THG servers!

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
this farce hasn't ended yet? Quick, spam the THG servers!

I have a feeling THG may revisit the test some time this week. The tests have begged too many questions regarding their setup and results.

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[Leper Messiah]

can some one say, "Ping spam the THG servers?" If I had a mind, and I knew the bandwidth was availble, I'd do it myself. They deserve something bad to happen for this B.S.