Quick question: What do you have against AMD?
Would you like using a Pentium 2 600mhz today? If there were no competition, the market would be stagnant, why risk money developing new technology if you're the only company in town? Intel did this before... held technology back and increased prices until AMD started pushing. You should be grateful to AMD, if for any reason, making your Intel chips current and cheap.
I believe in standards. AMD are divisive in the computer market. They're ruining the PC market and also hindering technology due to non standards and their lack to follow latest technology hardware.
AMD would have been better to make a unique CPU and push their own machine then move into an existing market and try to steal it through emulator chips.
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You are unbelievable.
AMD makes x86 similar to open standard.
Because of AMD, there is choices for companies to buy hardware.
Because of AMD, enterprises huge IT invesments won't fall to be a victims of IT corporation software/architecture policies.
Because of AMD, companies know that their invesment have continuity, they know that some greed IT company can't dictate what they should buy, and they can make their own decisions.
For all this corporations can thank AMD, because without AMD they should buy overpriced Itaniums, Power5's, Alphas etc, to get 64bit.
Without AMD companies would have to change software, because Itaniums and Power5 cpu's don't have all they need, and that would be really expensive.
For all those great savings we should thank AMD.
kitkat22
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Good grief, there are two of them now!?
Dothan, I would most politely ask you to keep your derogatory comments to yourself. Porkster, calm down! Now both of you, sit back, breath deep and count to ten. We?re talking a test here between two companies. This isn?t life or death or something to risk a heart attack over.
For those touting off performance numbers I would suggest taking a gander at a previous post of mine, it?s somewhere about page 27. Try to wrap your minds around the concept that there is no decisive conclusion that can be drawn from these infamous tests.
For those looking at stability, come to the conclusion that the Intel hardware hasn?t matured yet. I?m sure it will shortly; give it time. For temps go to another site and do some comparisons, come back and report what you find.
This has turned into a fight of words, which will amount to nothing in the end but increased post counts. You can insult all you want, but there will be no accomplishment other the timely demise of this exceptionally long thread. (Maybe that would be a good thing.)
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Dothan and Porkster,
Pay attention to what cscpianoman said, here, or you will be thinking about it from a distance.
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Dothan, I would most politely ask you to keep your derogatory comments to yourself. Porkster, calm down! Now both of you, sit back, breath deep and count to ten. We?re talking a test here between two companies. This isn?t life or death or something to risk a heart attack over.
For those touting off performance numbers I would suggest taking a gander at a previous post of mine, it?s somewhere about page 27. Try to wrap your minds around the concept that there is no decisive conclusion that can be drawn from these infamous tests.
For those looking at stability, come to the conclusion that the Intel hardware hasn?t matured yet. I?m sure it will shortly; give it time. For temps go to another site and do some comparisons, come back and report what you find.
This has turned into a fight of words, which will amount to nothing in the end but increased post counts. You can insult all you want, but there will be no accomplishment other the timely demise of this exceptionally long thread. (Maybe that would be a good thing.)
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Dothan and Porkster,
Pay attention to what cscpianoman said, here, or you will be thinking about it from a distance.
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LOL!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!
you're KIDDING right?
you cant be that stupid.
now I know your taking it up your backside from intil.
Ruining it with nonstandards? If anything, it's the standards that have held back the PC market, and AMD and Intel both follow those standards very well, that's why they both exist and why nothing really revolutionary gets done with PCs.
Also, AMD doesn't use emulator chips, they merely support a standard, the same as Intel does.(and if you want to accuse amd of unfairly moving into a market, well then imagine how IBM must feel after what Intel did to them
Just in case anyone is interested in some history behind how AMD has hindered technology by not following standards, while making a unique CPU try this link http://www.byte.com/art/9411/sec8/art2.htm(I know its old and long, but if you skip all the way to the last paragraph it might just peak your intrest enough to read the whole thing)
But that's your own opinion. I see the Intel as perfectly ready.
If you failed to see the THG stuff ups and non reset of the counters before they finally set up the Intel system correctly, then you would be thinking they are not mature for the market.
When I watched the THG stress test from day to day, I saw the happening. It was mistake after mistake on Tom's behalf and that has tainted the reading of the results for late comers.
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Markfw
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Anybody with half a brain saw all of that, and came to the same conclusion as cscpianoman. He just said it better than most of us. Please listen to what the mods said, and knock it off before you get banned. Can't you get a clue after everybody here is saying the same thing ????
Well how about if... Intel wanted a whole new super chip for the market? and not ala Itanium...
It would be hard for Intel to carry the customer base over as they would risk customers staying with support for the current x86 series.
So for one scenario, don't expect a new era of CPU's that are revolutionary, any time soon. We will keep getting CPU's chocked up with compatibility due to the fear of leaving a market place.
Anyway talk on THG stress test...
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One would have to be extremely dense to not comprehend that the reason everyone is sticking with X86 is primarily due to the large installed base of software. To pass this off as a "fault" of AMD would require a level of stupidity not previously seen in mankind.
So we have to agree with you? I will post in response to falsehoods, anytime.
The moderator was concerned with the number of posts and the fact too many people are repeating similar topics and getting upset over them.
A good point would be that if you feel strong about your opinions on what happened in the stress test then there is no need to post, especially if others are quoting different to your opinion. If you're the type that doesn't get upset then discuss and work out the real abilities and faults of both of the CPU's from the data revealed in the test.
I personally feel I have been truthful, bar some over doings in the power usage statements, but alot of the AMD-camp statements have been really off, regarding the events of the THG test.
Time to go...
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Markfw
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Is enlish a second language with you porkster ? If so I need to be more tolerant, but right now you don;t get it. 99.9% of everybody here (everyone except you) sees things one way, and you seem to be in a dream world, or work for Intel, and see nothing but what they tell you . Please tell us which it is. Until you reply I don't know how to respond, since everything you say is crap, and has been replied to 100x times !!!
And no you don't have to agree with me, just talk like you are in a real world, and there are actually intelligent people around you that you can talk or debate with on an intelligent level !!!
And no you don't have to agree with me, just talk like you are in a real world, and there are actually intelligent people around you that you can talk or debate with on an intelligent level !!!
I was making one point in why the market is restricted by AMD's presence. There are many more.
Rambus(was good ram), BTX, PCIe(Amd getting now), DDR2(AMD moving towards now).
Enough of this, so don't reply please.
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Markfw
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OK, you are at it again... Rambus, Intel even dumped them, BTX, nobody to speak of (even Intel) has adopted), PCIE, both Intel and AMD came out with motherboards at the same time, DDR2, fits Intel right now, and not AMD with the integrated memory controller, and still is in its infancy, now working good now and exspensive.....
Again you are flaming....
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