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porkster

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THG will be disabling Hyper-Threading in the next few days for futher testing of the divx priority issue on the AMD. Lets hope AMD users admit a fault if the Intel continues to do the multitasking properly!!!

QUOTE FROM FEEDBACK No.4, THG German Site.

Video Encoding: Low priority with the AMD system?

An interesting topic concerns the distribution of load of four applications with both systems. Still a very low priority is assigned to the DivX Encoding of the James bond film on the AMD system. And because some readers assume it: The large deviation in relation to the Intel system does not have to do anything with a codec optimization. Rather the distribution of the arithmetic performance seems to be better balanced with the Intel system by Hyperthreading. Therefore we in the next days Hyperthreading with the Intel system to deactivate, in order to receive in this point a statement. However it is intended from us that both systems automatically take over the distribution of load of the operating system. Finally the user will want to assign no priorities manually in the Home or Office range also.

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mindgam3

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"Why are people so blinded regarding AMD. This fan issue is clearly a risk for those in professional business. I would sack IT staff if they purchased these AMD systems for critical type applications. "

Wow your posts are so retarded have you not been following this stress test??? If the intel was running critical type applications they would have been hooped several times over!!! The amd is the one that is stable sheeshh USE YOUR EYES AND BRAIN!!!
 

porkster

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Originally posted by: mindgam3Wow your posts are so retarded have you not been following this stress test??? If the intel was running critical type applications they would have been hooped several times over!!! The amd is the one that is stable sheeshh USE YOUR EYES AND BRAIN!!!


Any issues with the Intel system have been due to Toms Hardware Guide's crew not setting up the Intel system properly. They accidently had the wrong fan and heatsink!!!

So read, before making statements. The information is within the 3rd feedback from the test.

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mindgam3

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I would like to see a test where both systems do not have any type of fan at all , run them at full load and see which one crashes first and how high they go before crashing :)
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: porkster
Originally posted by: mindgam3Wow your posts are so retarded have you not been following this stress test??? If the intel was running critical type applications they would have been hooped several times over!!! The amd is the one that is stable sheeshh USE YOUR EYES AND BRAIN!!!


Any issues with the Intel system have been due to Toms Hardware Guide's crew not setting up the Intel system properly. They accidently had the wrong fan and heatsink!!!

So read, before making statements. The information is within the 3rd feedback from the test.

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Both HSFs were supposed work to with with the processor the're testing.

Quoted from the 3rd update:

"But in the end a significant error was later identified in the afternoon: the fan of the Intel boxed cooler was running too slowly, allowing the CPU to heat up to 89 degrees Celsius."

Boxed, as in the one that came with the cpu.

Also, from the caption:

"It appears as if Intel itself is still conditioning it, as both versions are included in the motherboard kits."

This means that intel was pairing the faulty HSF with the dual core MBs.

What I'm getting at is while it's isn't a good HSF to run a dual core under, according to intel it's not necessarily the WRONG one.
 

TraumaRN

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THG had the wrong fan and heatsink? Ahh so thats what knocked out those motherboards!!! Wow......the point being the setup at this current point in time is not that stable....who cares about the performance, THG should NOT have had to use all those different mobo's in the first place! Whether you want to blame the mobo producers, Intel, or THG something is overtly wrong.
 

porkster

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When you perform a stress test you are supposed to get the items being tested, setup properly !!!

Would you test a rebuilt auto/engine with a car that has been running for months, and expect a fair test/race?

THG office isn't very organised as you can see in pictures. They receive alot of proto boards etc, so it's very viable that they pick up any board out of boxes etc that they think will suit the tests, etc.

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TraumaRN

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I think we've finally shaken you up porkster because fact is, AMD is more stable because their dual-core doesnt require a entirely new mobo....oh and those prototype mobos SHOULD work...they are prototypes, they might not be perfect but they should work...

I'll use a car example of my own, it's like when a car company releases a new model...it takes a few months to work the bugs out in the assembly process, same thing is happening here, possibly because Intel tried to rush things out the door, I dont know that of course but it's a logical thought, another logical thought is that the mobo producers haven't had enough time to test this new processor/socket
 

TGS

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This would be something along the lines of the Pentium 1.13 unfortunately.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: porkster
Originally posted by: mindgam3Wow your posts are so retarded have you not been following this stress test??? If the intel was running critical type applications they would have been hooped several times over!!! The amd is the one that is stable sheeshh USE YOUR EYES AND BRAIN!!!


Any issues with the Intel system have been due to Toms Hardware Guide's crew not setting up the Intel system properly. They accidently had the wrong fan and heatsink!!!

So read, before making statements. The information is within the 3rd feedback from the test.

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So, the northbridge on the first Gigabyte board overheated because the THG crew didn't set up the Intel system properly I suppose. The Epox board blew some mosfets becuase the THG crew didn't set up the Intel system correctly I would imagine? And finally the slow spinning HSF, you know, the one that came with the mobo, was spinning slowly because the THG crew didn't set up the system correctly as well.
Now seriously, you could not possibly be stuffed with anymore BS because your seams would burst. Man, Anand would do really well to have an ignore feature in here. Actually we would do well because then we would not have to hear Phreakaziods like Porky here spew so much diarhhea...

 

The Pentium Guy

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Porkster, I'm sorry but you've convinced some of us intel fans (note the word fans, not fanboys....aka I can go either way) that AMD's the better choice. Please stop trolling, you're only making it worse. What do you have to gain from supporting intel as if it's your life anyways? It's not like you own the company and if they lose sales you'll go poor. Just remember that people buy what suits them in terms of Price and Performance. You can't blindly troll and expect people to beleive you, in fact you'll turn the situation 180 degrees around.

A forum is a place for debate, a place to share information, and a place to gather ideas. Remember that a conversation is never one sided. You should at least be willing to hear and listen to the other side of the argument.

I've had my say. Participating in a trollwar is probably the biggest waste of time in my life. We ought to do something about it in this forum so it'll be a place to discuss ideas and flame around.

-The Pentium Guy
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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Porkster, I would ask if you think the Star Wars III people were idiots for using Opterons to render their animation? May I ask why you are disseminating false information. You and I both know (and everyone else) that the Intel dualcore uses way more wattage under load than the AMD dualcores. Why do you say that isn't true when every website has the same numbers, including Tomshardware?
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: porkster
Originally posted by: mindgam3Wow your posts are so retarded have you not been following this stress test??? If the intel was running critical type applications they would have been hooped several times over!!! The amd is the one that is stable sheeshh USE YOUR EYES AND BRAIN!!!


Any issues with the Intel system have been due to Toms Hardware Guide's crew not setting up the Intel system properly. They accidently had the wrong fan and heatsink!!!

So every single one of the problems with the Intel system were caused by THG, while every single problem that you supposedly found with the X2 are not caused by them? Benchmarks on tons of different sites have shown the X2 to have performance near to and exceeding (exceeding most of the time) the performance of Intel's dual core processors.
 

justly

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I was going to respond to porkster but after I cut his quote down to what was relevant this is all I was left with.
Originally posted by: porkster

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Sorry porkster but your bias makes everything you say irrelevant
 

boran

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now the issue not mentioned here is: (I'll take a single core HT processor now, but it's imilar with a dual core and 2 more apps) what if you game, and have encoding running in BG at idle priority. the OS sees the single core as 2 and will assign some cycles of the idle process to the core. essentially taking them away from the gaming thread, because there is only one core to do all the math yet the OS thinks there are two. offcourse in reality the situation is not so dramatically. since winXP sees HT and acts accordingly (this would be a real problem in a non HT aware OS such as win2K) but in essence, my point is that HT is a blade that cuts at two sides. it's advantage can also be it's disadvantage. as you'll see in lots of benchmarks, some go faster with HT enabled, some go slower with HT enabled.

I'm eager to see the results when they disable HT, not from performance point of view, but mainly how it will act.

edit: and porkster please stay in your troll thread (the one about X2 being suck and all) that way we can have the troll bashing there and the actual intelligent discussion of the results here.
 

porkster

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I have been the only one to bring up the issue of low priority of the divx thread as a sign of failure. Everyone is saying it's a HT issue that P4-840EE is doing such a good job on multitasking.

I will take the glory again when I'm correct after they show the results from the HT disabled test.

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MDme

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justly....that is so funny!!!! lol

POrkster's ID revealed: Paul Otellini

"Why are people so blinded regarding AMD. This fan issue is clearly a risk for those in professional business. I would sack IT staff if they purchased these AMD systems for critical type applications." --porkster

actually no one in their right mind would run their critical applications on a system that can't even stay 24h w/o rebooting.

and don't give me that THG failing to install the fan and heatsink right crap. we all know the gigabyte and epox boards failed NOT because of the fan and heatsink. and don't get me started on the ASUS board with a choice of two fans. what are we supposed to do, guess???
 

dev0lution

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Originally posted by: porkster
When you perform a stress test you are supposed to get the items being tested, setup properly !!!

Would you test a rebuilt auto/engine with a car that has been running for months, and expect a fair test/race?

THG office isn't very organised as you can see in pictures. They receive alot of proto boards etc, so it's very viable that they pick up any board out of boxes etc that they think will suit the tests, etc.

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I don't know which is funnier:

(a) You're so pro Intel Dual Core that now you're blaming THG for anything that's gone wrong with the Intel rig
(b) That you could assume that the AMD results are totally valid if THG can't even build an Intel system correctly

Admit it, you're the marketing guy responsible for the M$ "Truth about Linux" campaign :laugh:
 

Keysplayr

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WTH are the little message windows on both rigs? It happened on both systems at near the same time early this afternoon EST. Is it an error? An automatic update? NAV? The picture sux too much for me to see it clearly.
 

TraumaRN

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Originally posted by: porkster
I have been the only one to bring up the issue of low priority of the divx thread as a sign of failure. Everyone is saying it's a HT issue that P4-840EE is doing such a good job on multitasking.

I will take the glory again when I'm correct after they show the results from the HT disabled test.

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What glory would you have? Some personal e-penis growth? Face the facts, AMD has a better designed dual-core processor. Face the facts that you are a troll.

God I cant get over you saying you will "Take the glory again" like this is some noble battle :roll:
 

kitkat22

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Porkster, you are quite correct that THG has set all the priority settings the same and started the programs in similar fashion. What you fail to realize, this is your downfall, is that priority setting are encompassed in the operating system. Hence the name "operating system." Let me walk this through with you. A processor is just what the name implies it processes or crunches numbers. The operating system sits on top of the processor and feeds the processor the information it needs to crunch. Any threads sent is the responsibility of the OS, not the processor. This can be amply verified through several methods. One, take a look at microsofts website and data sheets. The information is there, do your research. Two, there is a method of changing priorities in the task manager. Change the priority and the task will either be given preference or denied. However, this is a direct setting adjusting the operating system, not the processor.
Now I come to the current test. Intel is walking away with Divx, why? According to the OS there is 4 processing units running all the threads given them. There are four applications. Essentially, the OS is capable of giving the Divx thread to a "processor" because there is one availble. Let's now turn to the AMD processor. According to the Windows OS, there are two processors. Ahh, here we have an issue, because there are four applications. The operating system next takes a look at what has the highest priority and sends this task to a processor, same goes for the second thread. The third thread is stuck in limbo waiting for a process to finish, or if two threads have equal priority they will be switched back and forth allowing for an equal chance of processing. Now we come to the stickler, the fourth thread. We have already come to the conclusion through numerous posts that Divx is given a lower priority and that THG did nothing to change those settings. This lower priority setting is viewed, "by the OS," as being less important than the other three. Hence the OS doesn't send the thread unless there is room for it to fit. The processors, however, are running at capacity, ie 100%. There is no room to fit this extra thread, except at times when the loops break. This explains the reason why the AMD processor is "avoiding" the Divx thread because the OS isn't sending it. Now my speculation would be that if the priorities were equiliberated we would see a more equal result among all threads and processors.
I have layed all this out in very simple terms and from information gleaned from various sites including THG and Microsoft. I don't want your opinion, I already know what it is. This is for your information and to come to a more knowledgable understanding that when comparing AMD and Intel they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I am not trying to favor one or the other. This test demonstrates that Intel is very capable of doing four tasks at different priority levels, while the AMD processor focuses on three dissimliar priority tasks. I will address the other concern about wattage and energy efficiency later.
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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Originally posted by: cscpianoman
Porkster, you are quite correct that THG has set all the priority settings the same and started the programs in similar fashion. What you fail to realize, this is your downfall, is that priority setting are encompassed in the operating system. Hence the name "operating system." Let me walk this through with you. A processor is just what the name implies it processes or crunches numbers. The operating system sits on top of the processor and feeds the processor the information it needs to crunch. Any threads sent is the responsibility of the OS, not the processor. This can be amply verified through several methods. One, take a look at microsofts website and data sheets. The information is there, do your research. Two, there is a method of changing priorities in the task manager. Change the priority and the task will either be given preference or denied. However, this is a direct setting adjusting the operating system, not the processor.
Now I come to the current test. Intel is walking away with Divx, why? According to the OS there is 4 processing units running all the threads given them. There are four applications. Essentially, the OS is capable of giving the Divx thread to a "processor" because there is one availble. Let's now turn to the AMD processor. According to the Windows OS, there are two processors. Ahh, here we have an issue, because there are four applications. The operating system next takes a look at what has the highest priority and sends this task to a processor, same goes for the second thread. The third thread is stuck in limbo waiting for a process to finish, or if two threads have equal priority they will be switched back and forth allowing for an equal chance of processing. Now we come to the stickler, the fourth thread. We have already come to the conclusion through numerous posts that Divx is given a lower priority and that THG did nothing to change those settings. This lower priority setting is viewed, "by the OS," as being less important than the other three. Hence the OS doesn't send the thread unless there is room for it to fit. The processors, however, are running at capacity, ie 100%. There is no room to fit this extra thread, except at times when the loops break. This explains the reason why the AMD processor is "avoiding" the Divx thread because the OS isn't sending it. Now my speculation would be that if the priorities were equiliberated we would see a more equal result among all threads and processors.
I have layed all this out in very simple terms and from information gleaned from various sites including THG and Microsoft. I don't want your opinion, I already know what it is. This is for your information and to come to a more knowledgable understanding that when comparing AMD and Intel they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I am not trying to favor one or the other. This test demonstrates that Intel is very capable of doing four tasks at different priority levels, while the AMD processor focuses on three dissimliar priority tasks. I will address the other concern about wattage and energy efficiency later.


Oh Rational God of Common Sense I bow to Thee. Great post. Do you think this exposes the weakness of Windows scheduler for AMD and dual processes or is something else going on?
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: cscpianoman
Porkster, you are quite correct that THG has set all the priority settings the same and started the programs in similar fashion. What you fail to realize, this is your downfall, is that priority setting are encompassed in the operating system. [...]

Please, post more often. :thumbsup:
 

kitkat22

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Do you think this exposes the weakness of Windows scheduler for AMD and dual processes or is something else going on?

I think this sums up the difficulties for AMD and dual processes. I dare to venture and I'm pretty sure I'm not far off that there is a process that is highest priority and two processes that are equivalent, but lower in priority. The highest priority, I would guess, is the Winrar test, which probably has a processor all for itself. The CD and Farcry tests are probably shared between the two, leaving the Divx test at lowest priority. This would be my take, mind you, but the data seems to be consistent with that theory.